Flightmare
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Most passionate fans #ps4nodrm #Finland
#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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Most passionate fans #ps4nodrm #Finland
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KillerMan91
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''fluffydelusions
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I hope we don't have to wait till E3 for a response on the matter. I want E3 to just be about games, release date, and a price. DRM is such a downer
Depends where you live and what the american eula says.
"The most passionate fans ever"
AFAIK, this is how it's always been for PC gaming. At least there is avenue provided to customers to get all the shit they paid for. You can't sit there and say that Gabe and Valve isn't taking care of its customers.
I doubt we'll hear anything before E3, sadly.
Novels don't cost tens of millions to make.
Nealand Liquor
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Jesus Christ, in the past year or so it's like he' on a one man misson to kill all goodwill and respect he has earned from gamers. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like he's fighting on the wrong side of an imaginary war of 'us vs. them'. Not the smartest move to keep taunting and insulting the same group that buy your wares.
It did not reject EULA. It ruled that the specific term prohibiting transfer of the license was invalid in the specific circumstances of the case. EULA is a contract in which the rights and obligations of the parties are defined. It can contain pretty much anything and no court anywhere has ever said that terms in EULA can not be binding.
Dead Prince
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Passionate will be the new word at E3
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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"Passionate subscribers of Xbox Live will experience amazing Premium Content."
Why is arguing against Steam DRM not allowed? If according to gaming message board, Sony and Microsoft should be have to remove some future DRM, then I don't understand why Steam shouldn't as well.
Aenima
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Funny, i dont remember to see any "agree" button to click or any "End user licence agreement" when i go buy games in my local store...
You are a young gamer aren't you? The PC used to have a used games market that was basically shut down to fight piracy. Whether Gabe is taking care of you or not, that does not change the fact that he does not allow you to sell your used games on Steam, which is not consumer friendly at all.
fluffydelusions
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FTFY
Sick burn.
RamzaIsCool
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Yeah don't fuck with Playstation stuff in Finland! Only country in the world where Sly is more populair then Mario!
That said, I doubt they know anything of what HQ is going to do regarding this all. So we shouldn't read much into the tweet and the deletion.
That said, I doubt they know anything of what HQ is going to do regarding this all. So we shouldn't read much into the tweet and the deletion.
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Guys, please stop quoting that Cliffy tweet. All you're doing is feeding his ego and giving exposure. It's probably exactly what he wants.
Knux-Future
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Why should that make a difference?
Movies cost billions to make too... I can still give my friend my dvd/bluerays for him to watch.
The point is why are videogames special that these restrictions are okay?
No other industry does this....
punkmaggit
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Neither should games.
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Damn this has grown quite a lot, so good.
It's a shame that when it comes to the internet there are always some people who will say that it's stupid to do X or Y, or who just want to look smart when what it's being asked is not really the point.
But whatever. I am glad that the region free hashtag is also going well. Good, good.
I bet he thought at that moment "Those poor fools".
It's a shame that when it comes to the internet there are always some people who will say that it's stupid to do X or Y, or who just want to look smart when what it's being asked is not really the point.
But whatever. I am glad that the region free hashtag is also going well. Good, good.
I bet he thought at that moment "Those poor fools".
No? Where is blockbuster? That industry is headed to the same place
krypt0nian
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Canis lupus
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EU law overrides any of your EULAs; so if I agree to an EULA that is contradictory to European law, that one is void.
(there are eu laws in place, right?)
I'm 27, so I don't know if you consider that young. I wasn't aware of PC games having had a used game market, I'm just saying that Valve acknowledges the possibility that Steam could shut down one day, and if it did, it's customers would have nothing to worry about. They deserve a little credit for coming out ahead of that lingering question, and smacking everyone with reassurance. If I buy something digitally on iTunes, I'm not allowed to resell it to anyone. Why should I expect that from Steam?
Knux-Future
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Blockbuster still exists...they got murked by Netflix. Who only stopped their disc system due to people using streaming. That is not the case in the gaming industry because people aren't ready for it yet. We are years away from DD only. Rushing it is silly because it only prevents a ton of people from playing.
I live in Philly, a pretty big city, but even here my internet is ass and borks out often. So yeah i get that is going that way...but we are not ready for it.
Psycho_Mantis
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Lets save ourselves from this DRM future. If anything, this is what will save us.
famousmortimer
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I need to figure out a way to monetize this post. #IfEAwastheOP
Exploding8
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I think its an issue because of inflation / cost to make games. Gamers have been paying the same price for videogames for YEARS despite the cost to make these games becoming ludicrously expensive. I feel like that's why DLC has become such a big thing (I HATED DLC when it started becoming popular and I still hate most DLC now, with a few exceptions), and why now we're seeing these used games shenanigans.
I'm no economist though so I really have no idea wtf I'm talking about.
Edit: I don't like charging for used games either, I look at it the same way you do. I don't pay extra for a used book, why should I pay extra for a used video-game? I feel like the cost for videogames should increase though, as much as I hate the thought of paying more than $60 for one (hell I can't even justify spending that much most of the time, I usually wait for sales).
scakko84
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This.
They could have transitioned to full digital, but the problem IMHO still remains because the store would be ran by a single entity and there would be no competition.
Just watch apple, if apple decides to raise the minimum price for the apps (they already did) on the appstore what could you do? Buy iphone apps from Samsung? You still have to buy from apple that is the platform owner.
Ok, let's imagine the same thing on a platform where games costs 60$ each... they decide to raise prices by 10$, you either quit buying and sell your hardware or deal with it.
Not so cool in my book.
Flightmare
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well movies do. In fact movies cost MORE then games to make. yet come out for $30 and have zero DRM. No excuse for it. The videogame industry thinks it's special and above the rules. It's not. Can't think of another industry that is so controlling and greedy. Maybe if they got their shit together and stopped betting the farm on AAA games and wasting money on hollywood voice actors that gamers don't really give a shit about they would be in a better position and not looking for some bogey man to blame their problems on.
I have no sympathy for crying devs/publishers on the used game issue. If it wasn't for used games/trading game I wouldn't buy nearly half the new games I do now and furthermore I wouldn't be as exposed to new series as I am now.
I'm not sure where you live, but the "specific circumstances" you mention include pretty much any EULA ever written.
If you have to click 'accept' in order to install a game, for example, the EULA is not valid. You would have to have had that information before buying the game at the store. Online stores' EULAs are also questionable as they usually only allow things that would be allowed anyway and otherwise just restrict the person who buys the product for arbitrary reasons. This is Germany, by the way. I'm no lawyer, but this is what well sourced articles say.
So what...Movies cost more to produce and market.
It's one thing to try this with digital downloads quite another to manipulate a physical format with draconian measures to control all aspects of sale. Publishers don't deserve anything but first sale of a psychical product, there is no compelling argument to think otherwise.
using the hashtag in that way implies support.
Yeah, can't really expect it to keep up momentum for that long. Should definite do like famousmortimer suggested and tweet some more right before E3.
Redboxes are the popular place to get rentals now. Blockbuster was killed Netflix's disc service amd Redboxes. Rentals are still going strong for movies.
Last time I checked, people are still flocking around the Red Boxes in the local super markets and still get Blu-rays and DVDs mailed to them from Netflix. I don't see physical discs disappearing anytime soon despite the displacement coming from digital streaming.
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