Professor Beef
Banned
Sounds familiar.
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Sounds familiar.
Shouta
Member
Damage is also really high. It's far above SF4, around the level of SFXT, but not quite as high as X-Factor Marvel 3 or VF.
But basically, Tag 2 is like a 2 or 3 punish game as most team comps and combos are somewhere near 40-50% damage. Rage makes Counterhits even stronger and basically you can beat folks with just a few loose hits in that mode.
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
Is Batgirl going to be legal by CEO? I'm really enjoying her and I'd like to see someone decent playing as her.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I'm pretty sure she's over 18.
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, people who try and compare Tekken to Marvel leave this key point out. Marvel is 3/5 with 1 round per match. Tekken is not.
The real comparison is the total amount of time it can potentially take for a set to finish, and how long a typical set takes to finish. That is all that matters, and all games should be equalized along these lines. I'm entirely certain that Tekken 2/3 is still longer than Marvel 3/5 on both accounts. Not that I'm saying it should be even shorter, I'm just making it clear how poor of an argument it is to compare the two just based on match count. It's emphasizing one fact while ignoring all others.
Professor Beef
Banned
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Put X-Factor into Tekken then it'd become just as fast and just as skill intensive as Marvel.
Yeah, it's always been flawed, some people still defend the idea to day even though when you compare the number of "clean slates" of vitality you start with, Marvel doesn't have that many. Marvel is pretty fast too, but 3/5 works best for both TOs and players, it's the middleground.
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Karsticles
Member
Good dude.marvel is awful
come on enzo, you know in real life I'm a good dude
Hates Marvel.
Pick one IMO.
By the way, that Allcaps guy who started all the drama at UFGT9 mains Tekken - he doesn't even play Marvel. That's how irrelevant he was to the actual situation at hand when he ranted.
I've never spent the 20 minutes required to see a whole match to know. ;-)
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
In tekken tag tournament 2 a match is complete when you kill 9 characters
marvel is awful
come on enzo, you know in real life I'm a good dude
Did you get this from a Twitch chat or something...?
SixMachine
Member
When someone says that it can help less skilled players feel like that they can get a win or help kill a character but the more you think about it, the more it makes less sense that it can help new players. It's a fact that more experienced people will take advantage of mechanics, so it actually benefits them more greatly than the less skilled player because x-factor is another resource they can use to swing the advantage further in their direction. Not only does it boost offense but since it can be used defensively, it would make it also much harder to kill a character for the new guy who could be attacking the guy in blockstun, who could xfactor out and grab them or something.
Same with ultras, someone like Daigo or Valle would use their ultra better than the new guy who probably doesn't even know how to use it properly. Which makes it that even if they did lower the better player's life down, they have another tool they have to deal with which would make it harder to win. Though at high levels, you can see how ultras effect matchups and see how people try to build it through focus attacks, but the low level of play won't know how to use it properly.
darkblade77
Member
Tekken x Marvel let's go. 3/5 tag game except happy birthdays all over the place, and when you get killed off a happy birthday you lose two rounds instead of one.
Salt unto rivers
toddhunter
Member
Dahbomb, do your stats suggest the difference between say Marvel victories with and without a "dark" level 3 x-factor character?
Would be interesting to know how often it is a factor in tournaments.
Would be interesting to know how often it is a factor in tournaments.
Passive Assassin
Member
Why isn't SSFIV 3/5?
toddhunter
Member
Because GWong and Ricky Ortiz.
But seriously, 2/3 feels pretty right for SF4. Generally the better player seems to win, but there is still room for upsets.
Incidentally that is why I prefer 2/3 marvel too. Sure it is more random, but it adds that "bullshit can happen and cost the set" edge. Generally now something works once and then it is back to the same old Vergil shit.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
In tekken a game is complete when you kill 3 characters
Oh look, people in here begging to change the format of a game they will never compete in. If you want to make a difference then enter a Tekken tournament and tell the organizer you didn't like it. If not, keep lodging your complaints at the screen in front of you. The entire community petitioned Larry to change TTT2 to the MLG rules for FR and he listened. The community asked Russell to change the TTT2 to 3/5 at Toryuken and he listened. The competitors asked to have TTT2 3/5 at UFGT and they changed it to accommodate it for the complete top 8. If you don't like it, go to these tournaments and ask them to change it back. The TO's listen.
I've made a huge mistake.
Professor Beef
Banned
This has been an awful past few days for enzo.
Allcaps is metagame at the highest difficulty level. If I saw I was up against a CORN member at a tourney, I'd run out to best buy and get some overpriced noise canceling headphones and a copy of whale songs or some shit.
toddhunter
Member
Don't forget the most important part, when your game is played at 6am on the Friday and not streamed because of the format, don't go on twitter and whinge about it. When your game gets no exposure and people stop showing up to play it in favour of other games? Don't get upset when you don't get a trophy.
Karsticles
Member
It might be worthwhile to sign up for TTT2 just to tell the TO that I feel guilty about how much time my game is taking up, and that I respectfully request that it be lowered to 2/3.
They walk around like a mob and shout at whoever a member is playing against. Like, they actively do this, taunting people during matches. It was the only thing I didn't like about UFGT9 aside from the continental breakfast costing $17.50.
Beast Legacy
Member
Maybe Marvel Heroes releasing will be the turning point. Though I have to thank enzo for the Mick Foley notice a few days ago in the weekly thread. Got to meet him and he was super nice and arrived on time despite the rain.
SloaneRisette
Member
It's ok, he can still go see Iron Man 3 again!
;P
I'm not sure what sounds worse, how CORN acts at tournaments or the price of that breakfast. Those better have been some godlike muffins they offered.
Maybe they care about their game so much that they want to play it more?
Make it better Beef.
Hard mode: without Iron Man or Kanye jokes, and without vicariously expressing your obsession with RedRapper.
You actually went to that? Haha, I thought nobody noticed that post. Glad it was helpful
Oh my god I just remembered F&F6 came out this past weekend and I didn't go and see it either.
WTF this has been a horrible past few days.
I don't know who said that (I think Karst did) but there's a reason why something like XF is sort of needed in a team based game like Marvel. I am totally against comeback mechanics in 1v1 games but in 3v3 its a different situation.
In 3v3 assist based fighting game, when you lose one character you are not just losing 1/3rd of your health you are losing 1/3rd of your toolset. Its like in Tekken if you lose 1/3rd of your health suddenly you can't do EWGF anymore or you can't do 50% damage combos anymore. A character backed up by 2 assists is almost always stronger than a solo character. Its not until you are put into this situation that you realize how ridiculous it is when a solo character is trying to fight against a fully loaded team.
I'm in a game right now but I will elaborate in this a bit later if needed.
Professor Beef
Banned
Canadians already live life on Hard Mode, though.
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, that's my general argument. X-Factor temporarily returns your character strength to roughly team levels. For a few characters, you go above team levels of strength, and those balance issues should be dealt with.
Interesting correlation you pulled out of your ass, but yes, if fewer people do show up for their specific game, then the TO has every right to do what they want with it regarding the stream. But just so you know, Final Round is the only major that did 3/5 for TTT2 for the majority of the matches and that had approximately 250 attendees. NCR, SCR, ECT and Civil War did 2/3 for everything except losers/winners finals and none of those got more than 70.
Not really fighting game related but a GAFer (KevinCow) may have attempted suicide.
If you have any information on him or you just want to show your support, here is the thread:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=569021
If you have any information on him or you just want to show your support, here is the thread:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=569021
Parallax Scroll
Banned
For my last business trip, the only breakfast available was at the hotel and it cost a bit over $30 CAD.
toddhunter
Member
I just can't understand this statement when marvel 2 exited just fine without it.
SolarPowered
Member
Jesus Christ
Hopefully they figure out what is going on.
What in the world...
Professor Beef
Banned
Marvel 2 also had balance issues of its own.
SloaneRisette
Member
I'm so sorry.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Chris no don't do this to me you need to win ;_;
AnkiRendan
Member
This guy is rich. Keep seeking that attention, boy.
I wouldn't say Marvel 2 was "just fine" in any regard.
That said I don't think MvC3 NEEDS X-Factor, but I understand why it is there and why it was implemented. It's actually not that bad balance wise, the player who uses it more intelligently always wins, just like every other resource or game mechanic. I think the damage/speed numbers are pretty good too.
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