#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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Audioboxer said:
I've been really busy all today, just home from work. Can someone recap the last 40 pages lol?

All I know now is a tumblr and ps4nodrm website was started. How has twitter been going?
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-CliffyB's tweet (I still hate that word) was posted around page 60 saying something to the effect "you don't own the game anyways, just the license to play it. Read the EULA next time you click 'I Agree'".

-Total Biscuit was also quoted saying that we are wasting our time then posts arguments for no used games.

-M0dus asked posters if MS should be added to title since it was added to the OP. Some agreed, some didn't. Decided to add MS in name but keep hash tags the same.

-Ben Kuchera, some guy who writes for PA says that this campaign won't help, should buy Wii U's instead.

-NBC posts a story about it.

-CNN tech guy contacted and is looking into it.

I think that about covers it.

-Oh and IGN still haven't said anything.
 
I've been watching all this develop from my seat in the the Land of the Banned..

I followed the bonus round thread closely, and shook my head through the sensationalized topic created from an offhand comment made by Keighly, but could not believe how many people didin't actually watch the video before falling for the topic..

The premature gloating and despair put a lot in perspective, but as it went on even more became clear.. we have the mods to thank for getting to this point.

Had that thread been closed or adjusted when it was clearly apparent that it wasn't a big deal, this campaign would not even exist!

so when someone chimes in with "How come you guy's aren't doing this for Microsoft?"

I chuckle, since they don't understand where and why this all started. I can't really hold it against them all things considered.
 
Schobeleth said:
I usually side with the guys on Podcast Beyond but I am VERY against their opinion that gamers who buy used games are entitled. Not everyone can get games new or afford them new, and not everyone works in the industry where you can just loan out games too. Who knows how many games they actually buy themselves.

I tweeted at Greg, Andrew and Colin and so far nothing. I've met the guys at IGN at E3 before, they seemed cool and they've responded to me on twitter before but if they're fans of Playstation they should want Playstation to do as well as it can - not screw consumers over in lieu of publisher's ridiculous practices.
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Those guys are too close with publishers perhaps (don't forget the exclusive Infinite review). I really do hope they post something, they are the biggest gaming website.

I've tweeted at Peer, so far its been an hour, I will see if he replies.
 
m0dus said:
Again, the problem is that you are assuming Microsoft's DRM policy was formulated in a vacuum. It was not. It was formulated based on pressure from publishers, and some developers. The problem is, gamers (as consumers) were not part of the conversation.

It's funny, sifting through all of the leaks that were debated leading up to the announcment, there is mounting evidence that there was and still is still a great deal of flexibility and fluidity with regards to what will ultimately become Microsoft's policy. However, when this subject brought to the fore here, people are paradoxically all too eager to accept the "roll over and take it" stance. This is fallacy.
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Realistically, though, how WOULD you get consumers as, genuinely, part of the conversation?

Gamers are such a diverse group with different mindsets, goals, agendas, etc, that it'd be hard to find the ones who'd "represent" us (best way to put it) in that hypothetical conversation about the second-hand market.

Not to say that publishers themselves don't have different agendas to fit a profitable business model, but I'd say they're still a tier below consumers/gamers who are as diverse a demographic as you can possibly get outside of mainstream electronics such as HDTVs, Apple Products, etc.
 
I hope CNN will go through with it. That would big boost for us.
Being a consumer issue. I would love to see them discuss this on T.V. Of course the chances of that happening are very slim.
 
I realise that this whole DRM stuff from MS might be even more vicious than I thought.

If MS puts DRMs so that only gamestop (as an example) can buy from you, then Gamestop will be able to choose the price and you will have no other choice but selling to them.
If you don't like a game or finished it and never gonna play it again, then you will sell it to them...because otherwise your game is worth nothing.

And then, Gamespot could resell it at the price they want... Basically they buy it from you for 15€ and resell it 55... without worrying about you selling/buying somewhere else...

IF MS decided to do this kind of deal with a distributor (Gamestop, Game, Micromania...), then that distributor could favor Xbone in its stores...

It would be a win-win... we gamers would be the only losers in this equation.

AND, if customers know they won't be able to resell their game, they won't take any risk when they pick one... would they still want to try that original new weird experience if they can't resell it if they finally don't like it?
And from here, would devs make original, risky, singular games knowing customers are so reluctant now?

This whole DRM stuff can have terrible consequences not only for our wallets but also for the whole industry vivacity.
 
fatty said:
-Total Biscuit was also quoted saying that we are wasting our time then posts arguments for no used games.
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He is one of those guys that tries to get fame out of standing on the "other side" in general as a rule of thumb. It's really exhausting listening to his non-sense. He buys his games digital on PC in general or new games for what? 40-70% Discount Sales? And he thinks we would get those deals on console if the "used markets" got shot down. Hilarious TB, just hilarious. Really? Did you ever meet a cash-cow? Did you?...what ever
 
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
 
Solal said:
I realise that this whole DRM stuff from MS might be even more vicious than I thought.

If MS puts DRMs so that only gamestop (as an example) can buy from you, then Gamestop will be able to choose the price and you will have no other choice but selling to them.
If you don't like a game or finished it and never gonna play it again, then you will sell it to them...because otherwise your game is worth nothing.

And then, Gamespot could resell it at the price they want... Basically they buy it from you for 15€ and resell it 55... without worrying about you selling/buying somewhere else...

IF MS decided to do this kind of deal with a distributor (Gamestop, Game, Micromania...), then that distributor could favor Xbone in its stores...

It would be a win-win... we gamers would be the only losers in this equation.

AND, if customers know they won't be able to resell their game, they won't take any risk when they pick one... would they still want to try that original new weird experience if they can't resell it if they finally don't like it?
And from here, would devs make original, risky, singular games knowing customers are so reluctant now?

This whole DRM stuff can have terrible consequences not only for our wallets but also for the whole industry vivacity.
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Im going to paraphrase this quote and use it on the tumblr, if you dont mind. :)
 
Ensoul said:
Did my part. However is there anybody who did not see thing coming? No way one system has restrictions and the other does not.

People are up in arms about this but in the end it will be accepted and I don't think it will hurt either company enough where they regret this decision.
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well there is xbox live gold.
 
Schobeleth said:
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
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No. They were acting against us.

they've made it clear they aren't on our side.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If this gets on CNN and the rest of the media, Sony pretty much has to abide by our wishes, unless they want to lose a lot of face.

Okay maybe not *have* too, but you get the idea.
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The other scenario could be that Sony already made their mind about this. They are opening their platform to used games, zero restrictions. And are letting this movement snowball and get all the free exposure that results from that.
 
Schobeleth said:
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
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Getting this associated with hackers is not what we want IMO.
 
Schobeleth said:
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
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They might just try to hack Sony again or something. Causing Sony to stop PSN for a month screwing us over and also leaking out our personal information.

Better not.
 
Schobeleth said:
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
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Being associated with Hackers is the last thing we would want. Crazy suggestion indeed ;).
 
Posted this earlier in another thread but thought some may not have seen it:
A friend of mine was speaking to a videogame shop manager (so take with a pinch of salt maybe?)
• They already have a system in place for preowned next gen games – and for downloaded games.

• He predicts new game prices will sore – preowned get £20, costs them £20 to apply new license, they sell at £50 – giving £10 profit. As such a £40 brand new game will now be £60 to counteract the loss in profit.

• All people he has spoken to don’t mind the tv thing – its what it does now and its about 40% of useage is non gaming.
Interestingly he said he was reading that you will now get paid to watch stuff – like 50points to watch an episode.
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Sorry about that suggestion :\ I just wanted to suggest something that would help us get some steam. It's going great though guys - keep it up!
 
Schobeleth said:
Sorry about that suggestion : I just wanted to suggest something that would help us get some steam. It's going great though guys - keep it up!
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No it's fine lol.
Anon has "helped" certain movements in the past.
But I doubt Sony or Microsoft would even bat an eye at us if we associated with them.
 
Schobeleth said:
This is a pretty crazy suggestion but has anyone thought of getting the guys at Anon to help spread the word? They usually get onto consumer/civil type stuff quickly. I dunno if they can be completely trusted though..
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The problem is anon is unpredictable. I don't think any Sony employee would take kindly to lulsec tweeting them for example.
 
Its crazy to see how much this has blown up, I was all over it the first night but have admittedly let my foot off the pedal since then.
I'm getting ready to go out to dinner right now, but when I get back I'm reenlisting in the fight against DRM.

Amazing job guys!
 
m0dus said:
Again, the problem is that you are assuming Microsoft's DRM policy was formulated in a vacuum. It was not. It was formulated based on pressure from publishers, and some developers. The problem is, we gamers (as consumers) were not part of the conversation.

It's funny, sifting through all of the leaks that were debated leading up to the announcment, there is mounting evidence that there was and still is still a great deal of flexibility and fluidity with regards to what will ultimately become Microsoft's policy. However, when this subject brought to the fore here, people are paradoxically all too eager to accept the "roll over and take it" stance. This is fallacy.

Again, My concern here stems from the potential that Microsoft sees any measure of success with the implementation of these policies. Ultimately, that will affect us all, if not this year perhaps next year or two years down the road.
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It's hard to imagine a scenario where MS and Sony don't do exactly the same thing for 3rd party games. If Sony blinks, Microsoft has to follow suit even if it makes them look like they are eating crow. So I think it will affect most of us immediately.

The thing that works in the gamers' favor is that MS and Sony obviously didn't have a sitdown with the publishers together, but rather separately, so there's no unified front. Hardcore gamers being willing to jump platforms if Sony's policies are more friendly is pitting MS and Sony against each other.

Another example as to why COMPETITION IS GOOD. In the 'Single Console Future' that silly people have been pining for the last ten years had happened, we would already have policies like this and the gamers could take it or go to hell.
 
If Sony decides not to go through with this DRM thing it would be so major for them as far as public image is concerned. They would be painted as the 'Good Guy' while MS would be the opposite. Also, they have to be eating up all this publicity.
 
Hey everyone! Been following this since the beginning and helping out (just verified)!

And I tweeted this to famous, but he might not have seen it, but Dave Thach, SCEA International Software Development head, posted this in response to Scott Rohde and about the movement:



Didn't see this in the OP, so I apologize if it is old! :)
 
Dizastah said:
If Sony decides not to go through with this DRM thing it would be so major for them as far as public image is concerned. They would be painted as the 'Good Guy' while MS would be the opposite. Also, they have to be eating up all this publicity.
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Yes. I dont think any of us are under any illusions this could provide major PR points for sony. However, if they were ever considering these things, with enough exposure we make their position untenable. While we are a very small minority, being given mainstream attention means that if Sony goes against the grain, the backlash from a PR standpoint is even bigger than microsoft experienced.
 
RoboPlato said:
We really need to get Japan in on this. I'm surprised they've been so quiet. Maybe Japan doesn't have much next gen excitement to begin with so they're apathetic?
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Problem is, we should be the ones to take the initiative and overcome the language barrier.

Can we please find a couple of generous, japanese speaking gaffers to get the ball rolling? Go on 2ch, tweet to sympathetic game bloggers, etc?
 
It'll be in The Guardian again tomorrow:

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