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Definite good point. I like the part about the whole "offer private lessons, paid tutorials", because, I feel like that is something that could potentially work out well, as well as helping bring more people into the scene when they see how helpful people are to give advice and help people train. Just my two cents on that little bit, really.

I don't think private lessons will work out. There's probably some short term revenue but I doubt it will last. I remember a few WC players attempted something similar and they charged like $50/hour for lessons. I also don't think it will help in introducing people to the scene either.

I like the idea of tutorials but it shouldn't be paid. I believe top players should be creating content on Youtube (instead of streaming on Twitch). Streaming generates revenue in only one time period whereas youtube videos are persistent. Top players could create tutorials, provide match analysis, help out viewers or have some long sets with commentary. That's just one part of the formula. The players themselves need to be able to retain viewers by being entertaining, wellspoken, charismatic, etc. Crosscounter did an amazing job and were able to not only generate revenue but introduce people to the scene. Content creators could use CC as a guideline of what they should and shouldn't do and build on to it.
 
Guys don't watch the new Tropes vs Women video unless you want to be heavily spoiled on over 3 dozen games.

Having played all of them, I will say to people that reading the relevant TvTropes pages while keeping in mind 'Some scenes may be considered sexist by some if they tray a tad too hard, especially out of context while there is absolutely no real basis to this tying into any real world issues' is more informative than the video.



As for the UFGT9 entrant numbers, I am a bit sad that KoF has lost steam.
At least there is awareness about the series now.
 
Sega Cup drew 100 last month as a VF5-only tourney. VF folks do show, but only at majors, and there's not that many of them (it's growing because the game keeps its players pretty well)
What did the last comparative BB-only tournament do? Preferably also domestic or open to world entrants like Sega Cup was.

What is there for Gootecks to say about this that he hasn't said already in the other 50 Gootalks?
 
Damn forget the other drama, this not happening is the most unfortunate thing about UFGT for MK guys. That's Daniel Pesina, the original Johnny Cage (among other roles). Hopefully future UFGTs can get these guys on for something (maybe around MK10?)

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I hated Total Biscuit ever since he talked shit about spooky and the FGC.
TotalBiscuit has always been a massive tool. I hate the way he talks, and often times he speaks from ignorance or not knowing something, and not even in a charming way like the GiantBomb guys do.

He's a deeper voiced DSP to me.
 
Fanatiq is live and going ham on his stream.

I will watch for the greater good and summarize for people who do not wish to give his stream more views.

*Fanatiq calls Keits a scumbag for the post on NeoGAF
*Notes lack of top players at UFGT
*Doesn't deny anything Keits said or posted
*FlashMetroid joins in the session
*Fanatiq claims that Keits tried to go over his head to get the AGE panel going even after Fanatiq said no.
*Fanatiq claims that Keits tried to punish ChrisG in return by not allowing him to do Injustice panel either.
*Claims ECT/CEO were more efficient than UFGT because they got more entrants despite being newer tournaments. Didn't like 45 minutes of downtime streaming random games.
*Claims ChrisG shows up 2-3 minutes late to his top 8 match and got technically disqualified but the crowd wanted ChrisG to play so they allowed him to play
*Questions putting Injustice before Divekick.... 9 AM etc.
*Claims that seeding was affected due to trying to avoid conflict with multiple games
*Flash claims that because he came "late" to his first round match (which was a bye) he was put into losers. Claims that he was there first to check the bracket and then went to the bathroom so technically he wasn't even late.
*Fanatiq claims that in his pool he was purposely moved out of his bye so it ended up with two byes playing each other and the winner of the single bye played against a disqualified player (lol this is sort of hilarious if true)
*Knives joins the conversation, claims wasn't seeded
*Flash/Fanatiq claimed that they try to register Knives in advance despite fully prepared to take the DQ but they wouldn't allow it. AGE Mario comes in and settles the situation because the guy running the signings knew Mario. Keits tried to intervene but they finally let it slide.
*Said judges were given "bonuses" for completing their pools early.
*Flash talks hit spat with Keits.
*Flash talks about his pop off video.
 
I don't post on Fanatiq's stream. Like ever. Actually the only stream I post on is FGTV and that is usually when they are doing patch discussion.
 
Reminder that Fanatiq lost to JDM and Brightside and never got to play on stream.

Also a reminder that Knives didn't make it out of pools (lost to Big Marcus and Fonzo).

So clearly there were no top players there.
 
The whole "if you're not a something something then you have no right to an opinion" argument is so stupid. I guess those opinions are OK if you heap praise everywhere though.
 
Fanatiq sounds like a complete blow hard and I'm baffled why anyone would want to pay him any attention. Also, that Daniel Pesina picture is making me sad. I hope that dude is doing alright.
 
Ignoring his stream/monetization? Sure.

Ignoring his bullying of TOs? Actually makes it worse- you have to shine a spotlight there.

Every time we talk about that idiot he makes money. Like Freddy Kruger, once people start forgetting about him he loses his power.
 
Fanatiq is live and going ham on his stream.

I will watch for the greater good and summarize for people who do not wish to give his stream more views.

*Fanatiq calls Keits a scumbag for the post on NeoGAF
*Notes lack of top players at UFGT
*Doesn't deny anything Keits said or posted
*FlashMetroid joins in the session
*Fanatiq claims that Keits tried to go over his head to get the AGE panel going even after Fanatiq said no.
*Fanatiq claims that Keits tried to punish ChrisG in return by not allowing him to do Injustice panel either.

So he's basically just proving what we know about him from Keits/general knowledge.

Or we could just ignore him altogether.

Yeah, this is the best course of action. Sadly, even if NeoGAF decides to ignore him, the rest of the FGC probably won't.
 
Every time we talk about that idiot he makes money. Like Freddy Kruger, once people start forgetting about him he loses his power.
The problem is that he's doing the "don't preregister, try and bully the TO into changing brackets" at every single event. He was successful at NCR, and the only way to clamp it down is to shine a spotlight on the scumbaggery. Doesn't mean we have to open his stream, use his promo codes, or anything like that.
 
I don't think private lessons will work out. There's probably some short term revenue but I doubt it will last. I remember a few WC players attempted something similar and they charged like $50/hour for lessons. I also don't think it will help in introducing people to the scene either.

I like the idea of tutorials but it shouldn't be paid. I believe top players should be creating content on Youtube (instead of streaming on Twitch). Streaming generates revenue in only one time period whereas youtube videos are persistent. Top players could create tutorials, provide match analysis, help out viewers or have some long sets with commentary. That's just one part of the formula. The players themselves need to be able to retain viewers by being entertaining, wellspoken, charismatic, etc. Crosscounter did an amazing job and were able to not only generate revenue but introduce people to the scene. Content creators could use CC as a guideline of what they should and shouldn't do and build on to it.

As a person who has done paid tutorials for SF4 before, I'll chime in.

I remember that I toyed with the idea and spoke with my stream viewers about it. I was apprehensive because I didn't like the idea that I can sell something which has no real quality guarantee (and I'm a bit of a perfectionist, plus I've worked a lot in customer service). However my stream monsters insisted that I give it a try and so I did.

I charged $30 for 1 hour, or I allowed two separate hours to be scheduled for $50. You can do both hours at once if you like. I settled on this price because my viewers said I should treat it like music lessons, which go for about the same price or often higher.

My goal in a lesson is to ascertain your skill level and give personalized advice to help you meet your goals. In the instance of multiple lessons being paid for, I would check your progress by asking questions about previously covered topics as well as playing certain styles to see how you improved in the interim.

I would agree that this is not a way to bring in new players. However I think that the personalized lesson approach can be a great fast-track of improvement for intermediate players who are trying to reach upper-level play. Having a competent instructor is also key, and I wonder if other players who have given lessons gave it this same amount of forethought. I also thoroughly enjoy teaching in general and almost pursued a career in it, though I suppose I still haven't completely ruled it out.

I also agree that top players should seek to create and distribute content (I am actively working on KOF stuff), but I recognize that this requires a certain personality type and knowledge level to make effective. Sirlin wrote about it in Playing to Win, when near the end of the book he commented on how to approach your tournament success once you've attained it. As the FGC grows content of this type, especially tutorials, will be easier to find, but currently there is a distinct lack of effort in this area especially in games with smaller communities.

As with almost everything else in the FGC, it comes down to the fact that we are a niche within a niche.
 
I would agree that this is not a way to bring in new players. However I think that the personalized lesson approach can be a great fast-track of improvement for intermediate players who are trying to reach upper-level play. Having a competent instructor is also key, and I wonder if other players who have given lessons gave it this same amount of forethought. I also thoroughly enjoy teaching in general and almost pursued a career in it, though I suppose I still haven't completely ruled it out.

That is probably the key there. As the saying goes, the best players do not necessarily make the best coaches. I'd be happy to pay for dedicated time and quality help.

Does AGE care that their team is full idiots?

Why would they? As far as I know they just make decorative headphones anyway.
 
The only thing I would ever pay for is advice on how to improve comboing- it's the one area of FGs that I am terrible in. My lack of combo ability actually made Juicebox call me out on stream.

From what I saw of you Juicebox at FR, you looked like you could teach.
 
I'm starting to get a little tired of the discussion from top players complaining about not getting paid enough. As if it's the TO's fault these guys aren't making a proper living. Which leads me to believe they have very little understanding of how people in sports get paid.

I really believe TO's should always work to provide a big prize pool whenever possible. But the tournaments and streamers main responsibility should be to provide the best possible tournament experience and provide as much exposure for the players.

Teams really need to do a better job at providing actual wages for their players and figure out ways to capitalize on their player's exposure. Players who don't have teams, need to start seeking out sponsorship or endorsements.

I know this is a bit of a stretch, but when I think about players complaining about their cash flow. I think about the Olympics. Not all of those athletes belong to teams or are expecting huge payouts. Instead rely on sponsorships and endorsements to fund their full time training.
 
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