I thought it was Don Mattrick... Just a perfect 'shop-job.
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai: PS4 is first and foremost a game console
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I thought it was Don Mattrick... Just a perfect 'shop-job.
Manmademan
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Citation needed- Gaming is not shrinking at all. Each generation has sold more than the last one- especially if you throw PC and tablet games into the equation.
Live TV actually IS a shrinking market, ironically enough. And music sales have been declining for a decade. The #1 album of today wouldn't have been top 20 during the 1990s. How does this approach make sense?
Noisepurge
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aww yeah, vidyagames!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igcnnkBCc1w#t=07m18s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igcnnkBCc1w#t=07m18s
Face it Tiger..
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From SCEA's PS4 Unveiling/Meeting
erm.. SCEI will always have extra content for the casuals, this has always been true.
this means your HULU's & NETFLEXIN' will be always be there for you on PS4.
Wolves Evolve
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Well I've just looked at your post history and it turns out you predict Microsoft will win every battle.
who dismissed non-gaming capabilities? ps3 is biggest netflix device.made bluray the winner over hddvd
but kaz is correct,you launch the console first as a game console.like ms did with xbox360 years ago when it was a different company.........
I can post tons of hands on impressions of the Kinect by Gizmodo, wired, cnet etc. but you will just dismiss them and I'm sure most have already been posted and when has theverge been Microsoft friendly? We'll start to see if my assertions are correct based on what users want to use during E3 and what sells the most this holiday season. Something tells me it will have little to do with Sony's transparent declarations of being "for the gamers" and will have everything to do with who is delivering compelling experiences be it with games or not.
How is that cool exactly? Its like putting lipstick on a pig... at the end of the day, its still a fucking pig.
Ill just throw this out there... My new Samsung TV is fucking awesome. It also has a Kinect like smart hub, Skype, etc. But Guess what, those features were neat for all but 1 day. They are never used anymore, because it really is easier,and painless the old fashioned way, of hitting 1 button to do the same thing as saying 3 phrases.
this holiday season only?why not for the whole life of these consoles? lol
and ms waits for e3 to show it doesn't suck,to try and respond to the worse console reveal of all time.
sony will just follow their successful reveal,showing stuff that will make ps4 the global hit and the winner of next gen.
I meant console gaming evidenced by the wiiu and the vita struggling and the rise of tablet gaming.
because casuals are on tablets/smartphones now. and that covers the xbox1 non-innovative features.
Manmademan
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Console gaming is also growing. Ignoring the Wii, the PS3 + 360 are on track to outsell the PS2 + Xbox + GC combined.
again, ignoring the Wii. include it and it passed last gen a long time ago. That audience the wii catered to has largely moved on, however.
The console and Tablet gaming markets are entirely different, I'm not sure why you'd confuse them. Handhelds, smartphones, and tablets are all going after the same audience, (which is why the vita is struggling) but consoles are not.
The WiiU is struggling for many reasons (nintendo leaving the wii to die for two years, struggling with HD games development, misreading the market regarding tablet development) none of which have to do with "Shrinking console gaming."
There's fear growth may be slowing for consoles in comparison to tablets but that's a completely different issue.
You're not really trying to compare your smart TV to what MS showed at their reveal. I guarantee you I can say watch or play the title of the item I want to watch faster than you can hunt down what channel or app your content is found on, then get your controller or remote, use your arrow keys to navigate the guide and select that channel in the guide or find the content in the app its stored in.
Gaming market diversifying and moving into new areas =/= gaming market shrinking.
If anything, it means the market is expanding.
the xbox1 presentation was staged and faked.... has to be a reason for that
PJV3
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There are TVs that can detect who's in the room and go to a personal profile with channels etc sorted out.
The Xbox is an unnecessary inbetween, it may sell bucketloads, but it isn't impressive.
Fucking hell I'm talking about tv again.
ok, assuming you know exactly what you want to watch, and it is available on demand.
there are some fairly useful cases that aren't so good for Xbox one:
- you know what you want to watch (because you like the show) and therefore have DVRd it. You'd like to watch an episode. Oops, can't do that because nobody uses DVRs apparantly
- you don't know what you want to watch, you'd just like to browse maybe hulu or iplayer. You can launch that quicker on xbox one, but how are you browsing? You flapping your hands or using voice to go 'up, up up, down down down'?
Make fun of the sig all you want. I originally got it for saying years ago that American and European devs were beginning to surpass Japanese devs in skill level. Turns out I was right.
What the hell am I reading, if I take Wikipedia by face value PS2 sold 150 million, Gamecube sold 22 million and Xbox sold 24 million which totals to 194 million consoles sold.
Again using Wikipedia, the next generation and the Wii sold (nearly) 100 million, PS3 70 million and Xbox 360 75 million that's a total of 245 million consoles sold and further sales aren't going to just dissapear over the next year or so.
I'm no expert on maths, but that looks like an increase from the previous generation.
Definitely, it could be a problem. We shall see what the pricing is and how sony handles things.
However, if One has netflix behind paywall, Sony need only highlight that to win most of those who aren't h/c gamers, parents, and anyone concerned about money.
Manmademan
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And wiki is behind. The Wii is pretty much stalled/dead at about 100 million units, but most places have official sales of the PS3 and 360 just about tied at 78 million units or so. They'll easily cross 80 million by the end of the year, and with no BC for the Ps4 or the One they'll likely have strong post launch sales as well.
Congrats on finding a couple of use cases where it might not be optimal but the reality is with the advancements in machine learning and natural language processing, the experience will only get better and better. You guys are such small thinkers. There is a reason why you don't have to use controllers in the future in sci-fi movies. Because everyone knows that speaking and gestures are much more efficient. The One is ready for those future use cases.
I'm talking about recent sales, not generational sales.
Wolves Evolve
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Even if you believe those things, do you realise that your repeated, vociferous positive takes on:
Windows 8
Kinect
Xbox One
Windows Phone
Surface
.. all kind of add up to a forum persona that's kind of a bummer to deal with?
Manmademan
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Wow, that has to be the most accurate tag of all time.
There's a reason everyone has flying cars in the future in sci-fi movies and not cars on wheels.
There's a reason everyone is using laser guns and not bullets in sci-fi movies.
There's a reason everyone is using the three seashells in sci-fi movies, and not toilet paper.
There's a reason everyone just "jacks in" to the matrix instead of using a monitor in sci-fi movies.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GODDAMNED MOVIES. what looks cool takes precedence over what's actually feasible/practical. "Minority Report's" touch/gesture based system gets a lot of attention for looking cool and futuristic even today, but in practice holding your arms up to manipulate spreadsheets and images would get old in 15 minutes. a standard keyboard and mouse has FAR more utility.
PoweredBySoy
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Your logic is painful.
It's kind of like trying to have a conversation with a salesman. Come on bish, make that thread.
Even if everyone accepted the view that voice and hand gestures are the way to go for using TV, not only is the Xbox One not the only place you can get that it's also a heck of an expensive device to buy just for that. It's not a feature that is going to appeal. Gamers will buy it for the games, non-gamers just simply won't buy it, because who's gonna shell out £400+ for the ability to speak to their TV?
Manmademan
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something tells me this particular poster knows his ass is grass and is just saying "fuck it, I'm going all in" before the hammer comes down.
Microsoft may have been just a little TOO late to the party on this one. There clearly WAS a lot of interest in voice search and navigation when Siri was unveiled, but the novelty has worn off (much like..oh, I dunno..motion controls). The reality of speaking to your phone to find crap has been replaced by the reality that it's actually fairly hit or miss and not that useful. I rarely see people making use of it anymore. Positioning the One as "Siri...for your television!" is likely to go over like a lead balloon.
indeed... maybe also massive success of PlayTV in USA?
That was definitely mind opener.
It really is a colossal marketing fuck up by Microsoft to bill a new console as a multi-media device...no one wants to pay $499 for a cable box!
The only people willing to pay that much money for anything that plugs into their TV are hardcore gamers. So you aim it at the gamers now and you pivot to the mass market when you have a mass market price...it's really shockingly simple stuff.
MS really just come off like Segway salesman, selling us a vision of the future instead of selling us what we actually want right now.
The only people willing to pay that much money for anything that plugs into their TV are hardcore gamers. So you aim it at the gamers now and you pivot to the mass market when you have a mass market price...it's really shockingly simple stuff.
MS really just come off like Segway salesman, selling us a vision of the future instead of selling us what we actually want right now.
haha, yeah. I'm glad some people are aware of this stuff now, some of those win8 threads were painful to see.
Treating posters like Penguins&Polarbears as legit people...yeesh. I hate corporate manipulation on social sites like this, it ruins everything.
Knux-Future
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The thing about the XBone's features is that..it's neat for sure but I question is that enough.
as stated...all of the stuff can be done either via smartphones or the goddam remote.
I also question, who the hell will be playing a game and then go..."man I wanna watch some TV but don't want to stop playing mah game.... ECKSBAUX TV!!!". and even then it's doable easily now. I have played a game and wanted to know the score in a basketball game or something...so I opause my game and hit the input button on my remote and bam...I see the score and then hit the HDMI button and back at it.
So yeah, I question how amazing these features really are. They are cool yeah but...like are people really that lazy that a button press is that hard. Are people's attentions spans that bad that they need to look up stuff during movies..and once again if so...why can't they just use their smartphones.
It's kinda like the Wii U's off TV stuff. It really isn't a problem here as most people have multiple TVs and other devices...so the off TV thing solved a problem for a small niche at best.
I just question who this is going to attract..i am sure some people will enjoy it and that It will sell but man...it's a total disconnect for me lo. I feel like I am missing the WOW factor.
as stated...all of the stuff can be done either via smartphones or the goddam remote.
I also question, who the hell will be playing a game and then go..."man I wanna watch some TV but don't want to stop playing mah game.... ECKSBAUX TV!!!". and even then it's doable easily now. I have played a game and wanted to know the score in a basketball game or something...so I opause my game and hit the input button on my remote and bam...I see the score and then hit the HDMI button and back at it.
So yeah, I question how amazing these features really are. They are cool yeah but...like are people really that lazy that a button press is that hard. Are people's attentions spans that bad that they need to look up stuff during movies..and once again if so...why can't they just use their smartphones.
It's kinda like the Wii U's off TV stuff. It really isn't a problem here as most people have multiple TVs and other devices...so the off TV thing solved a problem for a small niche at best.
I just question who this is going to attract..i am sure some people will enjoy it and that It will sell but man...it's a total disconnect for me lo. I feel like I am missing the WOW factor.
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maquiladora
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Yes, that's why you see those things in sci-fi movies, because of the efficent and practical nature of it - not because it's something exotic that fits into the theme of sci-fi, right?
Microsoft, please get working on flying cars, pvc catsuits and beds that take the form of transparent plastic clamshells, we've been demanding that efficiency since the 1960's.
You speak to know that you are pinpointing a certain channel... which is still one button, made even easier with this:
Also the xbox one wants to control your TV, and cable box. sadly they neglected the AVR. Which to most people who use one, is the central hub. Everything is controlled thru my avr, all sound, all video, all music, all components go thru that. Now I know I would then send the xbox thru the avr, but does that mean I lose TV control? Hence still needing a remote. A remote that can control everything... the harmony. If Kinect could do everything the harmony does... then I would digress.
I realize Im a small market person, who values top tier video AND AUDIO, and my 7.1 surround sound is maybe a niche market, but "MS saying well, we have a optical out as well"
My point... its not even a central hub that they are trying to create, its lipstick on a pig, a little more planning and they could of achieved greatness, but IMO they created a cable box add-on, that can play games. Neat feature for its OS, and its OS ONLY.
So are you contending that using a controller/remote is more efficient than voice for finding a channel/program/music? I say you're dead wrong and completely ignoring what's happening around you in defense of Sony giving you a limited experience.
I contend that smart phones, tablets, Facebook has taking a large chunk of that console gaming market and Sony's prettier version of Killzone won't reverse that trend which is why Microsoft is trying expand that market pass gaming.
Manmademan
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has voice search completely taken over all other forms of navigation for smart phones? All high end (and most mid range) phones now carry it. Why do you think that is?
smart phones, tablets, and facebook have all been mainstream for at least 5 or 6 years now. Hell, facebook is at the point where it's starting to LOSE users, not gain them. Yet console sales for this gen are dramatically higher than last gen (if we include the wii) and moderately higher if we don't. Your argument holds no water.
So the hammer will come down on me because I dare challenge the consensus here that Sony has already won this gen and Microsoft is wasting time with this stuff not directly related to gaming?
Wolves Evolve
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No-one is saying the hammer is coming down, we're just saying you're always positive about all Microsoft products all the time, everywhere, forever, for infinity. You're a Microsoft positivity event horizon. You have folded space around Redmond which now exists in a bubble that is warping my buying decisions. I love forest green. I may paint the top 5% of my house with it. Ya dig?
I'd like to speak to your supervisor please. Thank you for your cooperation.
Uno Venova
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Consensus Sony won? Where?
Knux-Future
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Voice Controls have always been wonky and in the end it is a novelty.
If a few button presses, is too much for you then I don't know what to tell you.
Who holds a remote and goes "this is too much".
Are we really that lazy now?
If a few button presses, is too much for you then I don't know what to tell you.
Who holds a remote and goes "this is too much".
Are we really that lazy now?
Using voice on a phone is quite different then using it in a home in a communal room. That's why Microsoft is also working on home automation with the One. Who would rather have to get up to turn on a light switch when you can just say lights on or have the lights automatically come on when Kinect recognizes you entered a room.
And why do you insist on talking about generational sales numbers when its clear that sales this gen and the start of the next are declining.
MS: "First you were the controller, now you're the remote control. Jump in."
So MS is going to corner the market with another generation of overselling the promise of Kinect? No thanks.