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QisTopTier
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FRC's are not hard... there are plenty of tricks to learning them easy.
Such as paying attention to a frame of animation, or sounds. Eventually that will warp into muscle memory. The only one's that are hard to learn are the ones with awkward timing such as Ky's HS fireball FRC but there are not that many in the game.
Such as paying attention to a frame of animation, or sounds. Eventually that will warp into muscle memory. The only one's that are hard to learn are the ones with awkward timing such as Ky's HS fireball FRC but there are not that many in the game.
Veggy
Member
You can't really get good at Tekken by playing casually (or any fighting game imo) though I guess the same can be said about any competitive game
On the subject of execution, I always found it pretty hard to do M.Bison's paint the fence on the P1 side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUOrBn7mUrI
On the subject of execution, I always found it pretty hard to do M.Bison's paint the fence on the P1 side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUOrBn7mUrI
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I play fighting games casually.
That depends on the definition of casual play. A lot of people are really good at fighting games but they never compete... they just play a lot.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Make a pad I can use Markman D:
I say casual would be between 10 to 15 hours a week at most of playing. Anything past that is beyond.
Going to a tournament doesn't make you good and I'm fairly sure I can beat a majority of people that go to those events. I'd get roadblocked once I hit the top players though as I don't have a lot of experience vs them.
Zero Reputation
Banned
I disagree. I think your standard for what is good is too high. Pro players are beyond good, they are great. Being great at anything is hard. However being good is different ans I defenitely think you can become good just playing casually.
Veggy
Member
Can you be called a casual player by playing a lot though? I wouldn't consider someone that plays a decent amount and knows frame data/combos/etc a casual player personally
They would be.........good players!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
See call of duty fans.
1-2 hours a day is far from hardcore. Just means they enjoy the game.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I wish I had 10-15 hours a week to play video games.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I'll donate you my life. I have 80+ hours.
Veggy
Member
Depends on the game, but for Tekken I would say yes (it would only come to 1-2 hours a day)
Parallax Scroll
Banned
lol corn popoffs
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
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You are right, but hitting the levels where you can beat average people in Tekken is much harder for me personally. I get scrubbed out by people who know nothing about fighting games in Tekken. 2d games I can just learn my normals , my special moves, and a bnb. This can easily put me at a 50% win rate. I think my win rate in tekken is like 22% or something abysmal. I just can't defend against multihit strings that lead into big damage. Every time I fight a Baek, or a Hwoarang I get fucked brutally because I can't tell if there strings are low mid or high half the time. Yes I'm super scrubby, and I probably sound like a scrub to a Tekken vet. This is just my experience with the game. I tried to play and learn from experience, but It requires too much dedication for my tastes. It's super discouraging to learn stuff, and get beat by strings that blow you up. I know a lot of people who have had similar experiences with Tekken in general.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
The thing with Tekken is, it's less about learning your character than learning how to block and react to what every other character can do.
In general I hate this and it's why I hate string based characters in Tekken *though for the most part they suck at high levels*
On an unrelated note, I think I grew to love fighting games so much because the first game I spent hours playing nonstop as a kid was punch out.
In general I hate this and it's why I hate string based characters in Tekken *though for the most part they suck at high levels*
On an unrelated note, I think I grew to love fighting games so much because the first game I spent hours playing nonstop as a kid was punch out.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I like Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur because you can visually identify and react to moves being high/low. You don't really need to learn everyone's crap.
Zero Reputation
Banned
I think you just need to be more patient. Tekken isnt like most 2d games. You need to sacrifice hits sometimes. Lows dont do a lot of damage so just dont duck and wait till the pressure ends.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";60658297]I like Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur because you can visually identify and react to moves being high/low. You don't really need to learn everyone's crap.[/QUOTE]
I hate soul calibur because of sigfriend and nightmares low attacks not making any fucking sense upclose. I see it and think, oh I need to block this high because the sword is coming into contact with my fucking skull if i block low. Nope don't work like that.
I hate soul calibur because of sigfriend and nightmares low attacks not making any fucking sense upclose. I see it and think, oh I need to block this high because the sword is coming into contact with my fucking skull if i block low. Nope don't work like that.
Veggy
Member
I would have probably just avoided playing against scrubs, or just learn some scrub killing strats like Bryan snake edge or 10 hit strings or something since you won't really learn anything from playing against scrubs
At least if you can find someone that's a similar level to you, both of you can learn and improve by fighting each other
Sad to hear about your experience with Tekken though, I hope you give it another chance and avoid playing against button mashers
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
A Tekken-like 3D Punch Out fighter would be tits.
Veggy
Member
Some lows do a LOT of damage (like Paul demo man, or Mishima hellsweep), other lows might not do a lot of damage but give advantage on hit or even knock down leaving you open to their oki
Some lows are juggle starters or if done close to a wall can cause wall splat for a combo
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Stop reading my game development notes.
Cosmo Clock 21
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QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Not even close.
Thing about strings in Tekken is that its just best to avoid the situation entirely by staying out of range... like against throws. Bad players will just whiff a move with recovery and then you can launch them. Usually you just learn which mid/low mix up strings scrubs use and you just parry the low. That's how I learned to beat the scrub Eddy players which I had problems with starting out. Bad Hawoarang/Baek players are generally free to reversals as well.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
How are those things like Tekken?
"God's Beard!"
Member
I got to top 16 in Virtua Fighter 5 doing literally nothing but blocking, the occasional throw and whiff punishing with Beat Knuckle because I hadn't played the game in two years.
Wound up losing to the Jean that won the whole thing and a Lion player because fuck Lion.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yeah I was thinking of a more 2.5d view *like tekken sorta* Then your character actually has lows and highs and such as well as side steps *like punch out*
I think a kickboxing themed game would be a perfect environment.
I said too much already
Zero Reputation
Banned
Hellsweeps dont have a lot of range and only do like 12% damage and if you block them you can do 50% damage. Thats pretty risky, if you get hit by like 8 hellsweeps, you are just not paying attention.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";60658297]I like Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur because you can visually identify and react to moves being high/low. You don't really need to learn everyone's crap.[/QUOTE]
This makes no sense to me. The speed of lows in Virtua Fighter are overall exactly the same as Tekken. And like Virtua Fighter the lows that do track except for a handful are reactable.
This makes no sense to me. The speed of lows in Virtua Fighter are overall exactly the same as Tekken. And like Virtua Fighter the lows that do track except for a handful are reactable.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
You are devolving into panda with every post.
Veggy
Member
Kazuya's hellsweep does a lot more than 12 damage, has longer range, hard to see since it's camouflaged by wavedash, knocks down and can combo near the wall. It's a great low but the risk is, as you've said, is getting launched should it get blocked or low crushed
You don't need to get hit by 8 hellsweeps when you can potentially lose 50% by getting hit by 1 (near a wall for a combo, or hit by oki wake up)
Point being it's important to know when to duck in Tekken
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
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Soul Calibur and Tekken Mid Lows are essentially the same. Any low that is going to lead serious damage will have an obvious start up while faster lows that are harder to react to will have low range, low damage if connected or a combination of both. Plus lows can be parried and a lot of powerful lows if blocked will lead to a stagger.
Zero Reputation
Banned
I dont want to argue but hellsweeps are not that good. Bringing super situational conditions for arguments sake is silly.
Risk/Reward on it is bad. Itd be like if doing an overhead in SF was raw Super punishable.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
You mean evolving.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Well it's sorta like Grimmer evolving into Muk
Veggy
Member
What's not good about an unseeable low that does good damage and oki that also wallsplats? It's widely regarded as one of the best lows in the game
Do you really think it's a bad low just because it's launch punishable when blocked?
This isn't T5 anymore where characters like Feng have a hard to see sweep that juggles and high crushes and only -12 or -14 depending on how close you are when it's blocked
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I want T5.0 Wang back.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I'm ok with this.