I hear something like The Road, Old Yeller and Requiem for a Dream are a bit more uplifting than what you just watched.
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I hear something like The Road, Old Yeller and Requiem for a Dream are a bit more uplifting than what you just watched.
neoism
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So the point of the show is to interpolate actual historical events? Like, why? That this is a fictitious narrative means that it should have some sort of thematic output. You can say that the events will drive the narrative in a good way later on but being that I'm just a viewer and not a reader, I can't speak to that confidently. I can only say that the killing doesn't seem like "having balls" and I have no way of knowing that it'll lead somewhere narratively exciting, only that it reinforced my growing feeling over s2 and 3 that the very structure of GoT leads to something that's too scattered to have any magnificent effect on me.
That was my impression of it.
Yeah Robb's story pretty much sucked this season so you can just giiiiiiiit out.
Complistic
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While I was rooting for rob the whole time (obviously, his cause was just), his multiple fuck ups really had this coming. He played the game wrong. He lost. People that threaten to stop watching the show don't understand this.
Aesius
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I love that this show has the balls to kill off main characters like that.
And honestly, Robb/Cat scenes have been boring as fuck. Maybe it's different for the book readers, but their deaths simply free up more time for more interesting characters.
Now if Arya, Jon Snow, or Tyrion had been brutally stabbed to death, I might be singing a different tune...
And honestly, Robb/Cat scenes have been boring as fuck. Maybe it's different for the book readers, but their deaths simply free up more time for more interesting characters.
Now if Arya, Jon Snow, or Tyrion had been brutally stabbed to death, I might be singing a different tune...
Well, a coworker and I were discussing the structure of this current season a few weeks ago, and I complained "Can they just get to killing off some of these damn characters already because it's painfully slow watching them try to cover all of these storylines."
I got way more than I bargained for.
I got way more than I bargained for.
Pai Pai Master
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ugh yeah i want to give michelle fairley a big hug right now. her performance as catelyn has been one of the greatest factors of the show for me. so gut wrenching seeing it play out on screen.
bender
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It would be hard to watch the show with Arya, Tyrion or Tywin. I don't share the level of hatred you have for Daenerys but with three dragons and an ever growing slave army, I don't think she is going anywhere. Please let Sansa be the next to go.
BronzeWolf
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At this point I don't want Daenerys to die. Jesus christ , I know she has not been the greatest lately but she is kind and fair. That alone means Martin must be sucking his sadistic lips...
Angry Fork
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It did, but it was a hell of a lot better than any Daenerys scene or scenes with that red coat lady who gave birth to black smoke.
Oh also I just rewatched the last 10-15 minutes with my dad. He's a minor medieval history buff; hadn't heard of the Black dinner but when I told him about it he thought it was brutal and cool that they basically adapted it for the show. However he did agree that he's kinda lost now too, he doesn't really care about any of the other candidates for the throne. He's always been an HBO guy and he said he preferred/prefers Sopranos and Boardwalk because while both shows will kill off characters, they each had/have a "safe" character who is put in danger but never removed, someone who guides the story and better illuminates what the point of the show is. The spread-out form works well for a lot of you, he thinks it spreads the show too thin.
Hah I did this a couple weeks ago! Which is why I'm happy that it happened on one hand. On the other it has made me realize why I've never enjoyed the show as much as so many others.
Hah I did this a couple weeks ago! Which is why I'm happy that it happened on one hand. On the other it has made me realize why I've never enjoyed the show as much as so many others.
I'm not offering any implications on how the events drive the narrative in the future. I'm speaking about how the events serve the narrative as it currently stands based on what has happened so far in the show. All that the mention of the historical events serve is to help tie together some of the questions about why the events occurred the way the did in the present, and why they are important for the existing narrative that is established in the universe.
As for the structure being too scattered, I think that's a fair complaint.
Razgriz-Specter
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I swear if Tyrion or Jon Snow die, im out.
I swear if Tyrion or Jon Snow die, im out.
This. He should have never beheaded the Lord. That was the ultimate mistake, that severed his power, his army and his fate.
SlowRevolution
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they should've blasted hey big brother during robb's death instead of the song they went with. I think it's a change george would've been okay with.
There being no safe characters is exactly the thing that illustrates the point of the show. It's all a game, those who play it wrong lose, simple as that. When main characters die, new ones rise to take their place.
Complistic
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That, betraying the oath, and getting your entire war leadership together in a room at a castle, the owner of which you betrayed, had disaster written all over it.
Hours Left
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Probably not. That kind of defeats the purpose of why Frey did this, to get his daughter on the throne.
The uncle though, maybe. But I think he got out.
Really?
Please change the title to "NO BOOK READERS". Nothing else. That way there's no confusion.
Well seeing as how gruesome all the deaths were this episode and they didn't show him drying, he'll probably be a prisoner. Though I don't see what kind of leverage he would be since every fucking Stark is dead. I dunno, maybe Cats crazy fucking sister would want him back. But seeing as how she's fucking looney toons she probably wouldn't care.
Squid_Vicious
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For me personally... The worst part of all of this is that Arya, Sansa, Bran and Rickon never get to say goodbye to their mother. Arya is 20 feet away from showing Cat that she is.... and then it's gone.
Nowadays I can pick up my phone and call my mother at any moment to say hello, im alive, doing well etc... But Cat had no idea if her children were alive and to me that's what made it so tragic. The fact that it all ended so abruptly and now these kids are all orphans.
Nowadays I can pick up my phone and call my mother at any moment to say hello, im alive, doing well etc... But Cat had no idea if her children were alive and to me that's what made it so tragic. The fact that it all ended so abruptly and now these kids are all orphans.
it was just 1 idiot most us book readers dont comment on future plots, only help explain things in the episode or answer questions
Yeah not cool. Change it to no book readers. They have 2 friggin threads on here to post in.
The flipside to that is, if Cat and Arya had their reunion at the castle, Arya would be dead, too.
...he can't even finish a bird.
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I honestly think the author was severely bullied when he was a kid or something. So much salt..
1) True to be told, I had already figured that Talisa would die: She was the only one among the prominent characters for which never saw a major interview. Plus, being pregnant with a possible early heir for the Starks pretty much sealed her fate. Lasting happiness on my GoT?
Not-going-to-happen.
I originally thought that it would be under slightly different circumstances, but the moment I saw Roose Bolton there... and then it turns out he married another of Frey's daughter..... puff!
Still, wonder if all of this is somewhat a consequence of Melisandre's curse (just like Theon apparent mutilation). But if that were the case.. what about our favorite coward king?
And we are still missing the other weddings..
2) Catelyne was one of my earliest favorite characters on the show. She was indirect culprit of a lot of what's going on, but boy.. if you have to die, die with a blade at hand!
The performance of the season (along with Tywin-Olenna combo).
3) On Daenerys side, I thought the capture of Yunkai was a bit confusing and rather anti-climatic. I get what they wanted to do (specially after that pause, and the face of Sir Jorah), but think it could have been represented better.
4) The face of Ygritte after seeing Jon escape. That, I most definitively did not expect it. Will he return for her, or speed to warn Castle Black of the impending assault? Luckily, I missed most of the next episode trailer so not sure how it's going to end. Plus: Where the heck is Jon's wolf?
5) Wherever Arya goes, death follows behind.
Extra: I really didn't need to see Robb's wolf being killed. And in such way. Quite heart-breaking.
Oh, and the only thing I noticed on the final's preview:
I honestly think the author was severely bullied when he was a kid or something. So much salt..
1) True to be told, I had already figured that Talisa would die: She was the only one among the prominent characters for which never saw a major interview. Plus, being pregnant with a possible early heir for the Starks pretty much sealed her fate. Lasting happiness on my GoT?
Not-going-to-happen.
I originally thought that it would be under slightly different circumstances, but the moment I saw Roose Bolton there... and then it turns out he married another of Frey's daughter..... puff!
Still, wonder if all of this is somewhat a consequence of Melisandre's curse (just like Theon apparent mutilation). But if that were the case.. what about our favorite coward king?
And we are still missing the other weddings..
2) Catelyne was one of my earliest favorite characters on the show. She was indirect culprit of a lot of what's going on, but boy.. if you have to die, die with a blade at hand!
The performance of the season (along with Tywin-Olenna combo).
3) On Daenerys side, I thought the capture of Yunkai was a bit confusing and rather anti-climatic. I get what they wanted to do (specially after that pause, and the face of Sir Jorah), but think it could have been represented better.
4) The face of Ygritte after seeing Jon escape. That, I most definitively did not expect it. Will he return for her, or speed to warn Castle Black of the impending assault? Luckily, I missed most of the next episode trailer so not sure how it's going to end. Plus: Where the heck is Jon's wolf?
5) Wherever Arya goes, death follows behind.
Extra: I really didn't need to see Robb's wolf being killed. And in such way. Quite heart-breaking.
Oh, and the only thing I noticed on the final's preview:
Jaime, but more importantly: Yara!! Someone, has it coming...
Hmm..Guess I'll have to wait to find out.
Anyway, I think in the long run the Northerners really fucked themselves on this one.
Here's something to cheer everyone up:
Bob Ross feeding a baby squirrel
(It's definitely not a rickroll to The Rains of Castamere playing, don't worry.)
(Though I did consider doing that.)
Bob Ross feeding a baby squirrel
(It's definitely not a rickroll to The Rains of Castamere playing, don't worry.)
(Though I did consider doing that.)
Repetition isn't a good characteristic though, that this is an arcane world with political fuckery that will get you killed has been abundantly clear since Ned's head was put on a spike in King's Landing. If the only point is that this world is cruel, making that point over and over isn't exactly compelling. Especially when the characters being treated cruelly often aren't worthy of attachment.
I've been calling him "Looks-like-a-more-gaunt-Joel-Kinnaman-dude"
Frank the Great
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okay amir0x. i started reading up on the war of the roses. i read about warwick, aka walder fucking frey, and stopped reading. for once, my historical ignore is of value to me.
It was Rains of Castamere, the Lannister song.
It's the Lannister song.
Hours Left
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The pressure on Sansa is going to be even greater now. She now has a legitimate claim to the entire North.
Wield that power now please. Wield it!
Wield that power now please. Wield it!
I think Cersei explained it in the previous episode. It was a song that played when the Lannisters took out another house completely or something. It's pretty much their evil entrance music at this point.
Angry Fork
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I consider Daenery's to be the female Joffrey ethically. But she's infinitely more boring and no reason for existing in this show at all. I don't care about the dragons, I don't care about what she says she deserves (for nothing, just sits on a throne eating pineapple while white knight simps jump off bridges for her).
Same as that generic guy who whines all day about not being king with the red coat spaghetti monster lady. I don't care about the witchcraft shit and the black smoke.
That's mainly why I'm upset at this, because now the show is going to focus on that nonsense more and more. Unless they put in new characters who are interesting/sympathetic, and aren't ghosts or flying wizards then maybe things will be alright. I love Arya, the Lannisters, and littefinger. If they show enough of them next season things will be tolerable.
Same as that generic guy who whines all day about not being king with the red coat spaghetti monster lady. I don't care about the witchcraft shit and the black smoke.
That's mainly why I'm upset at this, because now the show is going to focus on that nonsense more and more. Unless they put in new characters who are interesting/sympathetic, and aren't ghosts or flying wizards then maybe things will be alright. I love Arya, the Lannisters, and littefinger. If they show enough of them next season things will be tolerable.
Wow, what an episode. It made it hard to watch the next show I enjoy on Sunday (Mad Men).
I've been theorizing to my sister (the only person I really discuss this show with) that Rob allying with Walter Fray would turn on him, and that House Bolton was obviously plotting against him*, but I ultimately thought it would be during the battle of Casterly Rock that the backstab would happen, and thought Rob would somehow pull through or at least escape. Last episode is when I finally realized that this episode would be one bloody wedding due to Bolton saying he would be attending it, and it really made the wedding sequence stressful, especially when Bolton appeared on screen being Rob and then finally when the Rains of Castamere was played.
*The House Bolton mystery may be the worst plotted plotline of this season. It's been stretching out Theons story for weeks which is technically still not resolved, and I think the answer has been decently obvious for awhile.
I also had the theory that Robs wife belonged to the Lord of Light contingent and right up until the moment she died I thought (or maybe it was hope) that she would cast a spell using the blood of kings or something. My suspicious started when she revealed where she was from and what language she spoke.
I have to admit that Rob was my favourite character on the show, and I think most watchers would be on 'Team Stark' in this clash of kings, so the end of this episode reminded me of my reaction to Boardwalk Empire. In that show, my favourite character died in the season 2 finale, and it made season 3 harder to watch. I'm not saying that the show will decrease in quality (neither did Boardwalk in the end), I'll just have to find someone new to root for so I can have an emotional attachment to the show along with the obvious qualitative attachment.
OTHER BITS:
- I thought it was interesting that I found this episode to be one of the funniest until it became one of the bleakest. I was busting a gut at Walter Fray twice (when he could not remember the name of his granddaughter and when he made a hilarious face to Rob that was like "see, I had a good looking daughter for you after all").
- I loved the callback to the first season with Sam. He admitted to Jon Snow that all he ever wanted to be was a wizard, and he finally got to enjoy being it, if only for a moment.
- Does anyone else find themselves believing in the Red Lady more? I think all her predictive powers and crazy magic are always coming true. I continue to look forward to Aryas future, especially now considering the words the Red Lady uttered to her.
- Jon Snow continues his idiocy streak - did he not recognize the wolves that were helping him? He just leaves his girl behind? You got some 'splaining to do.
- Is Blackfish going for a piss mean that Riverrun were in on it? I hope not. Is the Uncle character dead or did he actually get to consummate his marriage? Are Starks forces just going home like the Carstarks or are they going to follow house Bolton? Answers to come, hopefully next week.
I've been theorizing to my sister (the only person I really discuss this show with) that Rob allying with Walter Fray would turn on him, and that House Bolton was obviously plotting against him*, but I ultimately thought it would be during the battle of Casterly Rock that the backstab would happen, and thought Rob would somehow pull through or at least escape. Last episode is when I finally realized that this episode would be one bloody wedding due to Bolton saying he would be attending it, and it really made the wedding sequence stressful, especially when Bolton appeared on screen being Rob and then finally when the Rains of Castamere was played.
*The House Bolton mystery may be the worst plotted plotline of this season. It's been stretching out Theons story for weeks which is technically still not resolved, and I think the answer has been decently obvious for awhile.
I also had the theory that Robs wife belonged to the Lord of Light contingent and right up until the moment she died I thought (or maybe it was hope) that she would cast a spell using the blood of kings or something. My suspicious started when she revealed where she was from and what language she spoke.
I have to admit that Rob was my favourite character on the show, and I think most watchers would be on 'Team Stark' in this clash of kings, so the end of this episode reminded me of my reaction to Boardwalk Empire. In that show, my favourite character died in the season 2 finale, and it made season 3 harder to watch. I'm not saying that the show will decrease in quality (neither did Boardwalk in the end), I'll just have to find someone new to root for so I can have an emotional attachment to the show along with the obvious qualitative attachment.
OTHER BITS:
- I thought it was interesting that I found this episode to be one of the funniest until it became one of the bleakest. I was busting a gut at Walter Fray twice (when he could not remember the name of his granddaughter and when he made a hilarious face to Rob that was like "see, I had a good looking daughter for you after all").
- I loved the callback to the first season with Sam. He admitted to Jon Snow that all he ever wanted to be was a wizard, and he finally got to enjoy being it, if only for a moment.
- Does anyone else find themselves believing in the Red Lady more? I think all her predictive powers and crazy magic are always coming true. I continue to look forward to Aryas future, especially now considering the words the Red Lady uttered to her.
- Jon Snow continues his idiocy streak - did he not recognize the wolves that were helping him? He just leaves his girl behind? You got some 'splaining to do.
- Is Blackfish going for a piss mean that Riverrun were in on it? I hope not. Is the Uncle character dead or did he actually get to consummate his marriage? Are Starks forces just going home like the Carstarks or are they going to follow house Bolton? Answers to come, hopefully next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2MwFkAV3Fs
The only moment in the show the song was sang prior to this episode.
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