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Game of Thrones: Spoiler reaction to Season 3 - Episode NINE!!!!
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The very first thing he says to his wife is how he broke his sacred vows and was very wrong to do so. The only reason she overlooked it was because she's even DEEPER into the religion and thinks it's part of a greater plan. He even looks shocked and creeped out at this forgiveness.
Yeah, but like I said, I think that's the one real exception and it's clear it bothers Stannis even despite his wife's forgiveness. It's kind of complicated in the books, because we never see explicitly what goes on the between the two in Clash of Kings and so it's not clear if the affair came first or if it was simply a matter of Melisandre explaining the "cost" of doing what she needed to do to deal with Renly. Technicalities, sure, but if it was the case of the latter, this could be defended as yet another case of Stannis seeing his ultimate duty to the realm as more important.
Like I said, I don't really like Stannis, but I can see how he has his followers.
At that point in the book it really felt like Robb was fucked anyways. He just kept digging himself in a hole with bad decision after bad decision starting with shacking up with Jeyne. I felt mad and upset pretty much like everyone else did at that point but after thinking about it for a couple days you realize he was never meant to be the "good character" of the story to begin with, if there really is such a character which is what I love about the books and story. Except for the sudden and violent nature of the scene I realized at that point I honestly didn't give a shit about any of those particular characters anyways because they were pissing me off with their ineptitude and flat characters. People who actually stop watching the show over this scene are just doing the themselves a disservice and are probably missing the overall point of the books and show.
If you are going to start reading, I HIGHLY suggest you begin by reading "A Clash of Kings"...The TV show does a good job of covering the first book but skips a lot of material that become bigger stories down the line.
If you try to pick up after the RW, you will be completely lost...
As for Stannis...he grows on you...like an uncle with an extremely dry sense of humor.
They fucked up both Jon and Arya's storylines whom actually are critical to the story.
Pai Pai Master
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There's a lot of backstory in A Game of Thrones that doesn't get covered in the show. I would highly recommend starting with book 1; A Song of Ice and Fire is not the same thing as the TV adaptation.
Um, maybe it's because you knew what was going to happen?
well i know what's going to happen, but only generally, as in not in great detail
i dunno, the scene just wasn't as powerful as i always thought it would be
you sure got high standards
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This is true. The first book has a lot of details about the previous Targaryen's reign and how it was ended (including some rather blatant hints about
Ned Stark's sister
Maybe the tv show will have a flashback season about the Ruby Ford after it catches up to Martin.
Spoiler that post...
David Incorporated Esq.
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Sqorgar some of that should probably have spoiler tags dude.
I think the one thing I don't like about the show is how it's so focused on the Starks compared to how the books handle all the characters. The show conditions you to an even greater extent than the books to see the Starks, and only the Starks, as the good guys who you're supposed to cheer on. The books spreads out the focus more evenly among the various families and characters in my opinion.
Not sure it counts as a spoiler, but I marked it anyway. Just more proof that the first book is worth reading and that the tv show skips important details.
Hari Seldon
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Fuck this, team Tully for the revenge of the pissing Blackfish.
RoninChaos
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Don't be a douche. All the book readers coming to the show thread seem to literally get off by dropping spoilers just to fuck with people who didn't read the books. It's sad and borderline pathetic.
Fuck me, good reference. I was DYING when I was watching the portrayal of this and then I read the manga version and it was even worse. Oh my god if they ever tried to turn Berserk into an American show..
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The first book was Stark heavy - there are POV chapters for Bran, Arya, Sansa, Jon, Catelyn, and Ned. The only non-Stark POVs are Daenerys and Tyrion. As of the third book, the only other POV chapters are Davos, Jaime, and Samwell. So, at this point, the story is still told almost entirely through Stark characters.
Really enjoyed catching up on the NO BOOK SPOILERS thread, and some of those youtube videos were great. The only person who didn't know it was coming in my watch group got sad but he didn't cry or anything.
And something I'm just wondering about... How long does something have to be in the public space before open "spoilers" become something people stop worrying about? The first book has been out for 17 years now, and this isn't the *NO BOOK SPOILER* thread, so someone posting a small detail the first book contains shouldn't be yelled at to spoiler their post, just like we don't yell at someone for spoiling The Empire Strikes Back or other things.
And something I'm just wondering about... How long does something have to be in the public space before open "spoilers" become something people stop worrying about? The first book has been out for 17 years now, and this isn't the *NO BOOK SPOILER* thread, so someone posting a small detail the first book contains shouldn't be yelled at to spoiler their post, just like we don't yell at someone for spoiling The Empire Strikes Back or other things.
RoninChaos
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Seriously. Wtf is wrong with some people?
What a bizarre phenomenon this has been. The sheer...righteousness at seeing people miserable?
Spike Spiegel
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Love the first one, even with the sloppy camera angle shift. If there are any more of that caliber I'd love to see them.
Backwards Marathon
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Acting in this scene was phenomenal. Even if you're not a Stark loyalist you HAD to have felt something.
What the hell at that first one. Why would you laugh at someone seeing that for the first time? I mean, I enjoyed, if that's even the right word,- more vicariously living through someone else's entertainment- seeing my group experience this, but I would never laugh at them during the middle of the scene. It kills the moment and makes you look like an utter douchebag. Just imagine someone ripping the book away from you at the end of the RW only to point and laugh at you in a condescending manner.
This a million times. The total lack of social grace is just disgusting.
I'm definitely glad that I read the books over last summer...I don't think I would've been able to take the Red Wedding scene without already seeing it coming. I was still not as prepared as I was expecting...so crushing...
The "we'll name the baby Eddard" part...that's just fucking trolling by D&D. That line about killed me.
The "we'll name the baby Eddard" part...that's just fucking trolling by D&D. That line about killed me.
Well, this is a thread about the tv show. I'm sure that if someone posted about something that would happen next season without a spoiler tag, they'd get jumped on. It was my fault for not erring on the side of caution. I do sort of feel like because the first book was made into a tv show, nothing in the first book could be considered a spoiler (if it was that important, it would've been in the first season) - but it's not my call on what others would consider spoilers.
I don't think they will do a Ruby Ford season, but I don't see how they can skip over details from that time period. It's true that it was more important to Ned and King Robert, but basically everything that has happened in the Song of Ice and Fire is directly related to that time period. It's like a direct, because A happened, B happened as well. The entire series could be considered an essay on the unintended consequences of overthrowing the government.
adamsappel
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I think it was John Irving who said, "Create the most interesting characters, then kill them in the most horrible ways." GRRM takes this to the next level.
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I'M SO ANGRY RAAGHHHRHRHRGH
Foxy Fox 39
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I hadn't read the books nor did I.know what was coming but I still didn't freak out. it was crazy but after they killed eddard stark I figured no one was safe. Pretty brutal scene though, and it seems the lannisters never got any sort of comeuppance. The Starks are only left to sansa, bren, ayra and Jon snug. crazy.
shira
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What a bizarre phenomenon this has been. The sheer...righteousness at seeing people miserable?
As someone who has read the books: MUAHAHAHAHAHA GIVE ME YOUR TEARS
I've been waiting for this since the season started.
I was waiting for Mrs. of the North to leave. When she got got, I was genuinely surprised.
"God's Beard!"
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What book to start reading is mostly irrelevant because the 4-pack of the books is the cheapest way to get them anyway. I was gonna start with the second, but I had the first 4 so I just started at the beginning even though it was kinda boring.
That said, after reading all 5 books I definitely think the show is better overall and I like the vast majority of the changes.
Some of the things like Cat's death in the books only worked because you could hear inside her head. It's way more memorable to me the way she died in the show than if they had decided to cram all her lines in just to pander to book readers.
That said, after reading all 5 books I definitely think the show is better overall and I like the vast majority of the changes.
Some of the things like Cat's death in the books only worked because you could hear inside her head. It's way more memorable to me the way she died in the show than if they had decided to cram all her lines in just to pander to book readers.
There's a word for that. It's called Schadenfreude. Basically, it means to take pleasure in the misfortune of others. It is derived from the feeling that someone deserves their misfortune and it is generally a self esteem boost with maybe a tinge of euphoria.
What a bizarre phenomenon this has been. The sheer...righteousness at seeing people miserable?
In this case, I believe it is a case of book people feeling, perhaps subconsciously, like the tv show fandom has eclipsed them. That maybe they don't deserve to be fans because they are only just now discovering the series - which, as books, has been around for almost two decades. The naivete on display is almost cute, and reminds us of simpler times when we thought things were going to turn out well for the characters too.
You guys are new fans, and while that's okay, you aren't true fans until you have met the red wedding. If anything, it's not a feeling of righteousness, but more a "welcome to the club". Now we accept you. Also, book fans have been forced to keep this secret for years, and you have to understand how relieved they are to finally be able to talk about it with new fans.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";60963977]What book to start reading is mostly irrelevant because the 4-pack of the books is the cheapest way to get them anyway. I was gonna start with the second, but I had the first 4 so I just started at the beginning even though it was kinda boring.
That said, after reading all 5 books I definitely think the show is better overall and I like the vast majority of the changes.[/quote]
You, sir, make my blood boil.
That said, after reading all 5 books I definitely think the show is better overall and I like the vast majority of the changes.[/quote]
You, sir, make my blood boil.
There is a right and a wrong way to do this. Taking some degree of vicarious pleasure in the sheer entertainment others have just experienced as you did is fine, great even, and only natural; killing the moment by acting completely out of tone, rubbing it in, and laughing in their face AS THE SCENE IS FUCKING HAPPENING (as some of those reactions vids have) is ridiculously uncalled for and begs us to question what kind of social deficiencies the person acting in such a way has.
I'M SO ANGRY RAAGHHHRHRHRGH
Off-topic, but man, I hope Conan Stevens can come back for season 4. A whole different level of menacing than the replacement.
wow that me.... still watching it happen in front of u is worse than reading it in book..... because they are ur fova character....
Well said.
Although I read the first three books two years just before the HBO show started.
It was the actually the first fifteen minutes that HBO showed that made me want to read it. Once I started AGOT I couldn't put it down until the end of ASOS. I read all three of them in two weeks. As a result of this craziness I have forgotten a lot of details, I really should reread them soon.Agreed, which is why I never posted in the no books thread. The story is much better experienced when you know nothing. I'm truly glad I got nothing spoiled when I did my reading marathon. I knew nothing, Jon Snow.
Ah, good at least there was that. Still sad he wasn't strong enough to totally get away. They didnt show someone try to save him? I seem to recall someone trying to save Grey Wind in the book, but can't recall who it was. Maybe they'll show more of him in flashback next episode instead of using all the effects on the dragons.
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