Askherserenity
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How can they not pull this off with Forza? One of their most important franchises. I guess 1080p games are going to be as rare as they were on the 360? Kinda weird.
Microsoft: Forza 5 runs at 60 fps, Xbox One has no fps/resolution requirements
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It must be hard trying to correct every single posters ability to understand the english language. But it is funny as hell to watch you spin yourself into a fury, selectively quoting selective quotes to prove your positive outlook on everything.
They downplayed resolution. All gamers know resolution and fps go hand in hand. The PC fucking thread isn't about showing sub HD games at maxed out resolution as triumphs of technology. The rumors are likely true, just as they all have been.
But just like everything else Microsoft has done with this reveal, you have to keep updating whats important to the core gaming audience. It aint customer rights, hardware quality, graphics and resolution quality, etc.. anymore.
A giant LOL.
Polyphony didn't... neither did any sim developer. Wait a minute, what racing games were you playing that noted their game ran 30fps, and 720p was the standard. If it ran below it, it would have been gaming news... your entire post is suspect! Like Microsoft's PR.
Killzone: Shadow Fall will actually look good because it will be rendered at 1080p.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Imagine what will happen if MS ships a 900GF box.
Element187
Banned
Well we are just now ending the 720p gen (yes I know 95% of the later titles for ps360 were subhd resolutions), but gamers should be expecting 1080p resolutions as standard moving into the new gen.
Both Microsoft and to a lesser extent Sony, failed or will fail to release a console that hits that 2.5 tflop mark set by Epic as being the minimal point of 'nextgen'... of course since the reveals of next gen consoles, Epic is trying to rewind that statement.
Recent news this week suggest xBone perhaps wont even hit the 1 tflop point... I find that hard to wrap my mind around. Its almost like Microsoft just waved the white flag in the console war and is just going after TV addicts and trying to convert them into gamers.
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FYI, there are a few Xbox 360 (and PS3) games that are native 1080p.
All that this (possibly) "confirms" is that some devs don't have to make games in 1080p if they don't want to.
I mean, weren't there threads here on GAF in which most said that we will probably see a bunch of "720p/60 FPS" games and "1080p/30 FPS" games on next gen consoles?
So why are people acting surprised as if what they are assuming ends up being true and/or using it to state how ALL of a console's games will be?
nhlducks35
Member
Eh, 1080p wouldn't suddenly make it not look like F4 in that case
Just like how we saw a lot of "PS2 games in HD" this generation (especially from Japan), just upping the res to 1080p will result in "PS3/X360 games in HD-er HD" look that will impress no one looking for a next-gen graphical leap.
It's going to be the lighting, effects, geometry, models, etc... that will make it looks different and those will still be there at 720p
So resolution is the only thing that makes games look good? Ok, gotcha!
This should be the new battle chant for Xbox fans. This is so backwards.
And if you have been gaming console only and are still okay with 720p for next gen then you need examinations from various people. It's been like 8 years guys!
How much can one suffer? 720p literally holds this industry back from so many things. Immersion is nearly absent for me in this resolution. Something is always off. I honestly would quit gaming if 720p was standard across the board. I don't even want my Lumines in fucking 720p sorry I know but it true! Very true.
Ravensmash
Member
Positive outlook?
The guy mentioned that they don't have a resolution quota and are giving developers the choice, and suddenly people are saying that the Xbone will struggle to support 1080p native.
While there is a lot of positive posturing in here, there's also a hell of a lot of negative spin also.
It's by far the most important aspect of image quality.
Miles Quaritch
Member
For real? Source?
Eh, 1080p wouldn't suddenly make it not look like F4 in that case
Just like how we saw a lot of "PS2 games in HD" this generation (especially from Japan), just upping the res to 1080p will result in "PS3/X360 games in HD-er HD" look that will impress no one looking for a next-gen graphical leap.
It's going to be the lighting, effects, geometry, models, etc... that will make it looks different and those will still be there at 720p
True, and they will look like shit in 720p. Sorry, but taking away a million pixels of detail doesn't cut it anymore IMO.
Askherserenity
Member
In all honesty, I'm sure that Turn10 would want the game to be 1080p/60fps...but the XBone just can't handle it. It's not that they don't want it to be 1080...
CassidyIzABeast
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Until somebody points out that Edge asked Phil if forza 5 was 1080p and he responded with the no requirements stuff then Forza 5 is 1080p.
JetBlackPanda
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All last gen I heard about resolution but now it doesn't matter if it runs @ 60fps.
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Every dev want best for his game. It is MS fault here not Turn10.
Slayer-33
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People don't realize that there's more things besides the resolution that tax framerates, track details, texture details, AA, etc
If the game has all these details on and superb IQ at 720p locked at 60fps with no tearing then it's not a bad deal.
Of course we all would prefer 1080p, but there would be tradeoffs even on a more powerful system given the ambitions of certain genre games.
If the game has all these details on and superb IQ at 720p locked at 60fps with no tearing then it's not a bad deal.
Of course we all would prefer 1080p, but there would be tradeoffs even on a more powerful system given the ambitions of certain genre games.
There doesn't need to be negative spin when some jackass is telling gamers what resolution means, the microsoft way. Theres nothing but re-defining things the Microsoft way on the forum. Exclusive? Well... no, the microsoft way means that 1 = 3, and so on.
The saddest part is to see other gamers pretend that we didn't have decades of gaming that improve the specifications of gaming every generation, and now its no longer important to have high resolution ( Yet see 9000939 terrabytes of everyone arguing what pixel looks better in which version of a multiplatform game ).
Same nonsense again happening. Just like "wait for the reveal to squash the rumors!" They all turned out true. MS is having a lot of issues on their hand, and its because this device just doesn't seem to be ready to be shown, or discussed competently. However, the defense behind their ineptitude since the reveal is forever hilarious.
Please, address exactly who doesn't know this. Please quote who isn't aware of this. Everyone knows A higher resolution frame running at identical FPS looks better than the lower resolution frame. The Xbone's competition (PC/PS4)is running 1080p titles natively.
720p is holding the industry back? please tell me you're joking...
Back on topic I'm glad Forza 5 runs at 60fps which is the most important thing IMO for the genre. Also to all the guys that are so sure that the PS4 will have 1080p resolution as a standard do we have any info about what res/frame-rate Drive Club runs at? IIRC Evolution released some 720p screens for the game.
Sutton Dagger
Member
To the people claiming there is little difference between 720p and 1080p on a 1920x1080 display, how many big budget games have you actually played at 1080p? Resolution is probably the biggest factor in terms of image quality, if you aren't running at your screens native res, then you dramatically reduced IQ with what I like to call the Vaseline filter, it's horrible. I would rather have less shit on screen instead of terrible IQ again this console generation.
720p with AA was part of certification process for a long time. Games like Halo started subHD and MS dropped 720p and AA req later
PanicFreak
Member
I think that largely depends on your definition of gamers. If I didn't try to keep up with gaming news, I would have no idea that my games aren't in native HD.
Ultimately, it's meaningless outside of these types of forums.
Because it will. Especially with latest rumors. 1080p on 1TF box will be rare as 1080p on PS3. Mainly for indie games or XBLA rest of the games will run something near 900p.
That being said, racing games tend to be one of the least ambitious genre visually since everything is a controlled environment. It's why you have stuff like Forza being 60fps on X360 when most games are 30fps, and GT5 being able to pull off 1080p on hardware that really has no right to be doing 1080p.
Wasn't Drive Club supposed to be 1080p/30fps last time we heard? Kind of weird there's no 1080p/60fps launch racer coming on either system. We need Ridge Racer 8 apparently; it could probably run at 2048p/60fps.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Wow, they are basically admitting the console is shit with a statement like that.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It all depends on the size of the display and the viewing distance really. Like I wrote earlier, 720p at 40inches 6 feet away on a 1080p display doesn't look much different than the native resolution to me.
SniperHunter
Banned
can cloud power help increase the resolution?
Graphics Horse
Member
Only as much as Guerilla targetting 30fps. I think the reactions here are going a bit overboard now.
I NEED SCISSORS
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"resolution is not the thing that maximises beauty"
huehuehue
I'd argue it is the single most important thing to maximize beauty if emulated last-gen games are anything to go by.
huehuehue
I'd argue it is the single most important thing to maximize beauty if emulated last-gen games are anything to go by.
3rdamention
Member
This game was always stated to be using the cloud, officially, from Microsoft.
How is it not? I suppose you think we should all be watching DVDs still eh? The industry is at a low point right now specifically because all their games look like shit, run like shit, and people are tired of shit after nearly a decade. YES, 720p is holding the industry back at least in part.
This has me worried with PS4 being roughly 50% more powerful. What happens if developers target 720p on the PS4 as the lead platform? The Xbox One version could theoretically be less than 720p at that point no?
If it was "part of the certification process for a long time" then how come it's not even fulfilled by all launch games? (e.g. Perfect Dark Zero was 1152x640 no AA)
Seems like it was hogwash from the start.
Whaaat!?
540p with no AA vs 360p with 8xAA. I know which one I prefer.
Fuck textures when you can have AO If games could run at 360p with raytracing, AO etc. I would probably do that...
If games could run at 360p with raytracing, AO etc. I would probably do that...PGR 3 was 600p. The EDRAM for free AA was too small to work for 720p
weekend_warrior
Banned
You guys are making me feel bad with my 720p TV. :\
Very few games on the PS4 are going to be 720p. And the few that are.... well the 360 can always sacrifice framerate.
rain elbows
Member
Hahaha!
Dreams-Visions
Member
if this game comes out at or near 720p, there will be a legendary shitstorm.
microsoft... i dont even know what to say after all this months and months. First all the bad news were rumors, then you confirmed all of them (ALL OF THEM!!!), then was the turn of new bad rumors of things that you havent confirm (and probably never will) and... you have even more?!