Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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harriet the spy
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Stannis believes it's his responsibility to rule all of westeros. Robb was to rule the north. So Robb is in fact trying to secede from Stannis's kingdom.
Frank the Great
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i wonder what the importance of showing jean reno learning to read was. i feel like that has to come up at some point. or something involving stannis' daughter. it seemed like they were going somewhere with that and then he's free and all's good.
Sickboy007
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I agree with all you've said, but his family life sucks even by Westeros standards. He probably held Storm's End that long to be far, far away from his wife.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yeah good points, I didn't think of it like that.
If it's from the DVD/BluRay material or the show, it's fair game to discuss in my opinion.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I'm not the only one who wants to see either Littlefinger or Tyrion on the Iron Throne, right?
GordonHalfman
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If I remember the books correctly Stannis was generally sympathetic to Robb, especially since he respected Ned Stark. However he takes the law very seriously, and strictly speaking Robb Stark is a rebel. He wanted to be king in the North and essentially rule a part of what Stannis (rightly according to the law) sees as his kingdom. It's nothing personal though, unlike with the Lannisters.
Frank the Great
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i'd like to see tyrion on the throne. he would probably be the best king, because he has a moral compass but he also knows how to play the politics game really well.
fuck littlefinger.
AuthenticM
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Tyrion, no, but Littlefinger ? He looks evil.
Battle Born
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No, you're not the only one. I think Littlefinger would be a more interesting King than the one we currently have.
RoninChaos
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If that was his speech if totally be on team Stannis.
Let's make a shine and/or tourist destination.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Pretty sure Stannis had beef with Robb not only because of being the King in the North but also because they went to Renly before Stannis.
Stannis commented to Catelyn that Ned always supported Stannis' claim (funnily enough, so did Robb!) so he would have been a bit bitter there.
Also its not like Robb could bend the knee to Stannis after that show his bannermens Lords and Theon put on in crowning him King. I bet Umber and Karstark would have abandoned Robb's cause if he bent the knee to Stannis.
Stannis commented to Catelyn that Ned always supported Stannis' claim (funnily enough, so did Robb!) so he would have been a bit bitter there.
Also its not like Robb could bend the knee to Stannis after that show his bannermens Lords and Theon put on in crowning him King. I bet Umber and Karstark would have abandoned Robb's cause if he bent the knee to Stannis.
ThoseDeafMutes
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He puts up with Mellisandre's shit and therefore isn't fit to rule a small apartment.
I thought about something. A big consensus about Robb is "like father, like son." But is it true? What would have happened if Robb was like Ned? First, he wouldn't have broken his vow. That means he would likely be married to the hot Frey. He would have had Jamie tried and killed. That means he would still have Karstark's army with him. He wouldn't have stepped on the "King in the North" landmine and would have recognized Stannis as the rightful king. So he would have joined him. Stannis has a navy so no opportunity for the Greyjoys to betray him. With all of the North behind Stannis, the joint Lannister/Tyrrel forces would have likely been swept off the field.
So if Robb was more like Ned it's very likely he'd be chilling in Winterfell right now, putting babies in the hot Frey, while the Lannisters' heads would be rotting on spikes on the walls of the Red Keep.
So if Robb was more like Ned it's very likely he'd be chilling in Winterfell right now, putting babies in the hot Frey, while the Lannisters' heads would be rotting on spikes on the walls of the Red Keep.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't like him on account of him being a good person. I really enjoyed him in S1 and was massively disappointed that he was reduced to such a minimal role after that.
This is me too. Can't wait for Littlefinger to start amassing power.
He has a cool Batman voice.
You know, if Renly didn't selfishly declare himself king, Robb didn't care about being the King in the North, and both allied with Stannis, which means the Tyrells would also ally with him since they we with Renly, then Joffrey would not stand a chance at all. Dorne would have probably joined against them as well, not to mention the Vale and the Riverlands since they have a connection to Catelyn. So you really have nearly every kingdom except for the Iron Islands against you. I don't think Tywin would fight a battle he knows he would lose, so I think support for Joffrey would wain immediately. That makes a lot of since if you think about it.
But no, everyone wanted to do their own thing, and then we have to watch uterus stabbing.
I enjoy him in the way I enjoy a good villain but Littlefinger on the throne might be the one person worse then Joffrey. He's Got the evil of Joffrey but he's also vindictive and politically savvy which makes him potentially even more dangerous. Plus he just wants power for powers sake and/or to silence his inferiority complex. He'd basically be the worst kind of dictator.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't really consider him to be randomly cruel in the way that Joffrey is. He's certainly capable of doing monstrous things but I don't see him just torturing people all the time for no reason. Joffrey is simultaneously incompetent at state affairs and needlessly cruel, so I'd say that LF has two things over Jof.
Frank the Great
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robb is such a fucking idiot. he refused to execute jaime for murder because of strategic reasons, but then he immediately executes one of his most important bannermen for murder? why wasn't he concerned about the strategic consequences there.
also, i've been wondering something. there is a possibility that joffrey finally bites the smoke monster bullet in the next episode. logistically speaking, who would then be king? i'm assuming his little brother would, with cersei as queen regent again. if cersei marries that gay guy (loras?) before though . . . would that make loras king (regent)?
lol that would be so random.
also, i've been wondering something. there is a possibility that joffrey finally bites the smoke monster bullet in the next episode. logistically speaking, who would then be king? i'm assuming his little brother would, with cersei as queen regent again. if cersei marries that gay guy (loras?) before though . . . would that make loras king (regent)?
lol that would be so random.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I don't think he'd be a bad king, I just don't think he'd know what to do with the power. He's all about the climb, so once he reached the top I can't imagine he'd be satisfied for long. What he'd do beyond that is anyone's guess. Maybe he'd start impressing his power across the narrow sea?
Ventilaator
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Had to quickly catch up after the Internet exploded about episode 9.
Man do I feel bad for Arya. Got back to her family just in time to see everyone dead.
Also, #teamJorah
That's the one death I don't want to see at alllll.
Man do I feel bad for Arya. Got back to her family just in time to see everyone dead.
Also, #teamJorah
That's the one death I don't want to see at alllll.
ElectricBlue187
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Joffery might be cruel and incompetent but he doesn't strike me as an oppressive tyrant merely because he doesn't care enough. Littlefinger would care very much and would be worst despot imaginable in westeros.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Why would he necessarily be an oppressive tyrant? I don't really follow your reasoning here. I think he'd be a very pragmatic king and be just as likely to use honey as he would vinegar to keep people on side.
ElectricBlue187
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Look at the way he manages his own business. He has people murdered just because they no longer profit him in some way, he murders infants as a political favor, why would you expect him to be any different as a ruler? He has no morality and is willing to do any evil to attain (or keep i imagine) power.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Nahhh.
Although now that I'm thinking about the S2 stuff, out of all the contenders I would have wanted to see Renly on the throne.
I thought he murdered them because they betrayed him? Which thing are you talking about specifically?
Funky Papa
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Chaos is a LADDAH.
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/salute
Everyone says I am crazy, but damn it, he was perfect and I will never forgive Stannis.
Team Renly! *sniff*
I think that was more as an insurance policy to keep Sansa and Arya safe also. Also Lord Karstark hadt undermined Robb's authority and called him a pussy to his face. You don't do that to your war leader in the middle of a war mang.
Yeah when Joffrey marries Margaery and with Tywin as hand, Westeros would probably benefit.
I think getting Cersei out of the picture will be a big win for everyone (the characters). She attracts drama to herself with her attitude and abuses her current power.
Probably why I bet Joffrey, Margaery or Tywin will die. Just would be too comfortable.
I think getting Cersei out of the picture will be a big win for everyone (the characters). She attracts drama to herself with her attitude and abuses her current power.
Probably why I bet Joffrey, Margaery or Tywin will die. Just would be too comfortable.
Hot Coldman
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Well, Joffrey was marked for death by Stannis, just like Robb was, soooooo
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Cersei is often a massively overreacting paranoid dumbass and, as Tywin said, isn't half as smart as she thinks she is. But she's one of the only characters who seems to see exactly what the Tyrells are doing. She knows Margaery is a massive threat to the Lannister foothold on the throne vicariously through Joffrey.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Man, Tywin is totally on top of that. If Cersei is half-aware of some underhanded plot, Tywin is probably already pulling the strings of half the players.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I was really shocked when he died.
Or rather, died in the way he did. Came out of fuckin' nowhere.
I need a hug ;_;
- Absolutely... not. Remember little Jon Snow ?
- Absolutely... not, Lyanna and Brandon meant everything to him, do you really think he would have cut the head off Jaime knowing the same kind of fate was awaiting his brother/sister ?
- Maybe, maybe not, it wasn't Robb idea to begin with he just went with the flow, young Ned wouldn't have done better, old Ned probably yes but it's not even sure, Stannis was nothing and there was both Lannister's and Renly's army against them.
Overall Robb did exactly what his father had done at the same age, except his father won due to some circumstances (being friendly with the Baratheon the Arryn and the Tully being one of them).
Tyrell's in charge would probably be better than Lannister's in charge no? Their alliance would lead to a pretty stable realm seems like.
Of course both of these seem to be very 'Summer' houses and seem to give no shits about the upcoming Winter and that's VERY bad for the realm what with the Walkers and all.
Also how would they be able to withstand an invasion by Daenerys and full grown dragons?
I think, even if Cersei hadn't pointed out the issue with the Tyrells, Tywin still would have worked around it.
I actually believe Tywin doesn't give a shit about the North. Can't remember who said it but there was a comment that the North is far too wild to "rule". Cersei and Tyrion made obvious their distaste for the North in S1 too.
Riverrun would be the only Kingdom that interests Tywin around that area.
I actually believe Tywin doesn't give a shit about the North. Can't remember who said it but there was a comment that the North is far too wild to "rule". Cersei and Tyrion made obvious their distaste for the North in S1 too.
Riverrun would be the only Kingdom that interests Tywin around that area.
The history of Nedd speaks differently, dude wasn't all cool in the past and started a war that overthrew the then rightful king because of vengeance (his father, and brother were killed by the Mad King).
Funky Papa
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My man.
Also, Cersei *is* an arrogant bitch, but she knows that Margaery is playing everybody like a flute because she's also been using her feminine wiles through her whole life, probably even more so before she became the queen. It takes a bitch to know one.
Amey
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He Definitely cares about North. If Jamie was available he wud have wed him to Sansa.
User 100115
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If only back in season one Ned had not been stupid and went with Renly's plan. Ned would still be alive, Renly would be on the throne being fabulous and kind and remembering everyone's names. Loras can handle all that military stuff right?
Of course, the show would be over as well, but still.
/hug
Mel would have still killed Renly, and he would have left no heir. We'd be right back where we are now.
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