Sony E3 press conference; June 10th 6PM PT/9PM ET

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AznSniper said:
Interesting. How big is the studio?

So the Karlshamn office will be a separate development studio under Nygren but he wants to continue doing contract work rather than original IP development.
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When I spoke to them the Malmo office was around 100, and they were staffing up. Not, desperately staffing up, but definitely getting bigger.

And yeah, presumably he'll (Nygren) go back to that basic business. I never even got a whiff of this coming. Pretty out of the blue.

Maybe it was a bit too much for him as the company expanded? Who knows.
 
Let me ask a different way:

If you don't have this DRM chip on the disc, and you don't require online... then how on god's green earth do you enforce an aggressive DRM/anti-used games?

Can you?
 
Chamber said:
These are the true fanboys, the console warriors. Fuck the industry, as long as my team wins.
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If anything what's going on there is much more concerning for the industry. Because it shows that some publishers continue to refuse to look at their own policies and are just continuing to point the finger at the people that actually buy their games. We're always to blame.
 
As much as Im rooting for Sony, loss of competitors is not a good thing....we wouldnt have the Sony we have right now if X360 wasnt such a strong competitor
 
dragonflys545 said:
E3 can't come soon enough to get all these crap sorted out. Please don't use MS policy. :(
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Evolved1 said:
Let me ask a different way:

If you don't have this DRM chip on the disc, and you don't require online... then how on god's green earth do you enforce an aggressive DRM/anti-used games?

Can you?
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Probably not. It will probably only be able to be enforced via online. If someone never plays the game online, how will they know when someone else buys the same copy used?
 
Evolved1 said:
Let me ask a different way:

If you don't have this DRM chip on the disc, and you don't require online... then how on god's green earth do you enforce an aggressive DRM/anti-used games?

Can you?
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Maybe have a one-time use serial code in the box? Once that's activated, the game is officially a 'used game' in which if you resell it to somebody then there's an additional fee to pay for a new serial code (maybe a few dollars?)
 
Pound_lb003 said:
When I spoke to them the Malmo office was around 100, and they were staffing up. Not, desperately staffing up, but definitely getting bigger.

And yeah, presumably he'll (Nygren) go back to that basic business. I never even got a whiff of this coming. Pretty out of the blue.

Maybe it was a bit too much for him as the company expanded? Who knows.
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Wow, around 100. I am surprised and excited at the same time. I am interested to see what kind of original IP they will develop for PS4 considering the acclaim that they received from LBP Vita.
 
I don't think any company wields enough leverage to ignore an entire system, especially since between two systems + PC this past generation, a lot of companies were barely making money even when moving multi-million units.

Since EA is already essentially ignoring Wii U, I doubt that they (or ANY OTHER MAJOR third party company) will benefit from cutting off support to the PS4.

Sony and Microsoft hold a lot of the power here, and while they might listen to the publishers to help foster unprecedented partnerships, I think ultimately, the final say is still up to the console makers.

Which leads me to believe that Microsoft's policies are less because of what the publishers want (though they may very well be very happy with what Microsoft is doing), but more about bringing people completely into the Microsoft ecosystem.
 
Chamber said:
Again, have fun explaining that to shareholders. Activision, Ubisoft, Take Two would laugh their ass off as well.
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They kicked Wii U to the curb pretty quick and shareholders seem ok with it.

Next week should give us a idea of how things are going and what effect if any this issue is having on 3rd parties closing sides or staying in the middle.

Judging from Sony s silence on the subject I think they ether have bad news and are waiting it out or they are actively still working things out or they are going to walk out on E3 and make a big deal about no DRM. Should be a interesting week since I dont actually expect Sony to really comment on the issue.
 
SolidSnakex said:
We already know that Matsuura wants to make it. His idea is to go through the digital route and for it to be for the Vita because of the touch controls. So all Sony has/had to do is greenlight it.
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I think the tweet is referring to used game DRM rather than a new Parappa game.

(wishful thinking maybe, but the guy doesn't know anything about a new Parappa game).
 
AznSniper said:
I won't expect price just yet. They have GamesCom and TGS too. I expect them to show the console and show some more features.
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Yea, i'm not holding my breath for the price to be announced at E3. I know GAF is going to erupt when they don't mention cost... but a delay in pricing makes sense, especially considering MS will likley NOT announce a price.

Why should Sony show their cards now, when they can play it close to the chest until TGS or GamesCom? Especially considering most of us would rather they focus 100% on games at the moment. It's gonna cost, whatever its gonna cost, and we are going to buy it regardless.
 
BloodMoney said:
Yea, i'm not holding my breath for the price to be announced at E3. I know GAF is going to erupt when they don't mention cost... but a delay in pricing makes sense, especially considering MS will likley NOT announce a price.

Why should Sony show their cards now, when they can play it close to the chest until TGS or GamesCom? Especially considering most of us would rather they focus 100% on games at the moment. It's gonna cost, whatever its gonna cost, and we are going to buy it regardless.
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It works because Microsoft has their conference first. Sony can counter with their price and put it into their conference at the last minute if Microsoft decides to announce. Especially if rumors are true that the PS4 will be cheaper than the Xbox One.
 
funkystudent said:
You see the probably with a game by game basis solution for Sony is it will ether kill used games or make it even harder. They will need something on the system level just like MS so games can be activated / deactivated and unfortunately they might need a online check to keep tabs of that.

Well that is unless we want to keep changing discs every time we want to play a new game and not have full game installs but FUCK THAT.

Maybe Sonys solution could be no online checks if you have the disc in the drive but if you install it and are playing HDD only then a check is required to make sure you have that licence and didnt trade the disc in? Odiously if you have the disc you own the game already and it might only have to do a check the very first time the game loads.



Dumb thing to say when the ps4 isnt out yet. We dont know if it will be a success or not but 3rd parties like EA will play a huge part in the success or failure of any platform. Look at the Wii U or Vita as examples.
If Sony pisses them off and EA wants to go balls deep with MS and try make it the next ps2 they will.
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Then you could lend me the disc so I can install it to my account, but then give you the disc back so you can play it on your machine with the disc check only. Thus me getting the game for free.
 
funkystudent said:
They kicked Wii U to the curb pretty quick and shareholders seem ok with it.

Next week should give us a idea of how things are going and what effect if any this issue is having on 3rd parties closing sides or staying in the middle.

Judging from Sony s silence on the subject I think they ether have bad news and are waiting it out or they are actively still working things out.
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Alright, so EA dumps PS4, have already dumped Wii U, and their PC support is half assed at best and filled with shit ports. All in for Xbox! You really think that would fly?
 
Anticitizen One said:
I just hope 40 minutes aren't given to Ubisoft, Activision, and EA to show sports games and casual crap like cod
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I'm not sure if EA or Activision, beside Destiny, shows up. But I have no concern with that. I would like to see what Sony first party is upto and what Sony has in there sleeves. As far DRM, it is clearly mentioned few comments back that any of those DRM patents have nothing to do with the PS4 via Eurogamer in PS Meeting. They will leave upto publishers like they have know with PS3.
 
Monty Mole said:
Then you could lend me the disc so I can install it to my account, but then give you the disc back so you can play it on your machine with the disc check only. Thus me getting the game for free.
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And thats why I am just some guy on a forum and not in charge of Sonys DRM policy.

Its got to be real tricking to have a solution for this that both keeps track of all licences and give the customer enough freedom so they can play safe if there internet goes down for a bit.

Chamber said:
Alright, so EA dumps PS4, have already dumped Wii U, and their PC support is half assed at best and filled with shit ports. All in for Xbox! You really think that would fly?
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Maybe the ps4 still gets half assed support like the gamecube or something I dont know...

I bet EA would like one single dominant platform again but now we still dont even know how the wider market will react to this entire thing.
IMO people dont mind online DRM once it works. Online checks are OK for 99% of the people out there once the servers are running. They are ok with PC games doing it. OK with phone apps doing it. Once the system works most wont care and its only when that system breaks thats people get mad. Then again maybe people will hate it and any system that does it will bomb. Its a tricky subject and I bet there are some stressed people at Sony HQ working on this right now.
 
AznSniper said:
It works because Microsoft has their conference first. Sony can counter with their price and put it into their conference at the last minute if Microsoft decides to announce. Especially if rumors are true that the PS4 will be cheaper than the Xbox One.
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I agree that Sony is position well to counter whatever MS does... but i don't see MS announcing price.
They've apparently got enough on their hands to deal with. It's probably not the best time for them to lock down pricing considering they may be eating huge losses with regard to silicon yield.

EDIT: More power to Sony if they do announce price... but i'm tuning in to hear about Games... not price.
 
Chamber said:
Alright, so EA dumps PS4, have already dumped Wii U, and their PC support is half assed at best and filled with shit ports. All in for Xbox! You really think that would fly?
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Well do you honestly think that all FIFA or sport players that buy yearly EA sport titles are going to vanish into thin air? Stranger things has happened in this gen so...
 
Kyoufu said:
I think the tweet is referring to used game DRM rather than a new Parappa game.

(wishful thinking maybe, but the guy doesn't know anything about a new Parappa game).
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Oh, if that's what he was referring to then that's far better than a new Parappa. The position that Sony's currently in is something that Sony probably could've only dreamed of given how this generation went with them. The ball is absolutely in their court.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Oh, if that's what he was referring to then that's far better than a new Parappa. The position that Sony's currently in is something that Sony probably could've only dreamed of given how this generation went with them. The ball is absolutely in their court.
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The ball has been in their court since they first break the next-gen. And so far they are playing quite nice and taking steps strategically. E3 is just 3 days away. I hope I'll be watching every conference, MS, EA, Ubisoft but Sony conference is the one I'm most hyped for.
 
Mr Swine said:
Well do you honestly think that all FIFA or sport players that buy yearly EA sport titles are going to vanish into thin air? Stranger things has happened in this gen so...
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The millions of gamers who buy Uncharted, God of War and Gran Turismo aren't vanishing either. Unlike the millions who buy Mario and Zelda, these gamers ALSO buy what EA sells. It's easy for EA to dump Wii U when Call of Duty sells 20k units. PS3 at it's absolute lowest moment didn't move software and hardware as poorly as Wii U.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
everyone knows publishers just want more profit, doesn't mean MS and Sony should give them all the power they want, which MS has done.
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My point is that those three were the ringleaders for this. Whatever happens with Sony, be it good or bad, we know who's been pushing for this. If gamers are really angry, then hit all three of them where it hurts. Don't buy their games anymore.
 
Moozo said:
But if the Xbox doesn't sell, its DRM isn't going to be of any benefit anyway.
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Xbox will sell well, at least in NA and probably in UK. EU and Middle East has been Sony land. Many gamers unlike us doesn't bother about the specifications IMO. What I'm looking forward is the reaction of the consumers after buying xbox with regards to how these DRM policies works and if they are willing to trade-off.
 
SolidSnakex said:
I'm listening to Giant Bomb's reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StPJgWkN-U

They say that EA, Activision and UBI specifically were pushing for DRM and a way for them to make money off of used games. Gamers want a target? There are your three musketeers.

Regardless of what Sony does, i'm not buying anymore games from those three.
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Then why did EA nix Online Pass?

I think if this really were true, it was a few years ago that this was being pushed - the landscape has changed since then and DRM is more volatile than ever to the gaming community at large - publishers are starting to realize (I hope).
 
SolidSnakex said:
I'm listening to Giant Bomb's reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StPJgWkN-U

They say that EA, Activision and UBI specifically were pushing for DRM and a way for them to make money off of used games. Gamers want a target? There are your three musketeers.

Regardless of what Sony does, i'm not buying anymore games from those three.
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If that is the case than I can already see decrease in their games sale and profit margins.
 
So, anyone make bets on which conference Kojima will show up at to show off MGSV (between MS and Sony)? He didn't do it during today's Konami conference.
 
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