Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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You could do that with your own account anyway though. A couple of you share your passwords and you could alternate buying single player games. One guy pays for Arkham whatever, the other pays for GTA. The system could easily be abused to save money.
Relaxed Muscle
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Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
How is the second point any different than discs currently?
But for the same content as Steam (AN and DLC included) it cost $16 on XBL during the sale, which is pretty terrible going by Steam standards.
zeopower6
Member
I don't think anyone knows specifics yet. I think since "Family" is involved and Kinect 2 is required for all Ones, maybe there's some kind of facial recognition or something. I mean they can't seriously think people aren't going to attempt to exploit this so that people can gameshare with someone halfway across the globe.
crimsonspider89
Banned
And give up the 18 acres I have for measily square footage?
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
maabus1999
Member
Do you often lose your Internet more then 24 hours? Or are you concerned about online only games that are connected to the "cloud" going down? First I doubt many people will face who buy X1 outside of deployed military and others in similar situations. Second, well that one I could see being annoying.
Don't forget their Games on Demand sales from a couple months ago. Lots of games were like 70% off. I hope they do it again.
Which might mean gamefly might raise its prices
At launch=Never. Publishers/Developers are getting their wish about rentals. No way they go back.
yes been gaming since the 80's and have always sold and traded at a trader store, so it's not like some people are being obtuse, we just do things differently from each other.
Stone Ocean
Member
That's just an example. Will the Xbone put a game on sale every day, one every week and one every weekend on a regular basis?
No.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
They key thing here is considerably cheaper games at launch and much better sale offers, and better digital rights management, backwards compatibility is a big plus to with sites like GOG offering DRM free games.
Problem is all to do with pricing for me, I know always online is an eventual inevitability but I just can't foresee this move bringing digital prices down on the consoles.
mhayze
Member
I assume that digital will work in a very similar way to disc - but the particulars will be interested to read.
I think it would take a major "Xbox Live Down" event that lasts more than 24 hours - i.e. a deal breaking event - to make them change their policies.
To be honest, 3rd party publishers can't afford to ignore PS4 anyway, even if they don't do the same thing.
Xbudz
Member
My god. He used a table, a 15 pound weight and a hammer to destroy his Kinect.
Also, #Dead. lol
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Deleted member 752119
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True, but benefit is also subjective. While I don't see it this way, some can find benefit in not having to have the disc in (would be nice to just accept an invite and go right to that game without getting up and changing discs etc. I guess), having digital downloads day one so no hassling with stores, preorders etc., maybe something with the shared accounts and so on.
Again, I don't think it's worth it, but some may as everyone has different opinions and priorities.
Kind of agree. They could at least note that it does suck for others. On the other hand, we're talking about a silly, time wasting hobby in video games so why should anyone care about anything other than whether it works for their enjoyment or not?
That I agree with. I could never defend this crap. I'm not livid about it as it mostly doesn't affect me with my gaming habits as I outlined. But I see a lot more negatives than positives for sure.
But you can't ever play it the first time without going online once. It looks like one reason MSFT did the 24 hour check is because of them trying to allow games to be "given to a friend" or "traded in" which Steam at the moment does not do. If MSFT improves upon their authentication ideas that in their mind works, then the 24 hour may go longer and longer
Even though I'm a collector, I wouldn't mind selling few of my several hundred steam titles, because they annoy me for being on my list!!!
Oh and Steam's offline is about 2 weeks. I've never had it work longer then that on my laptops that I rarely sign in (save for reauthenticating).
I have a second PC that has steam and has not connected to the internet for over a year. Still plays games perfectly fine.
Delusibeta
Banned
Because Microsoft is trying to promote their system as something better than discs currently, and it's simply not.
Can't wait for the:
It's going to fucking happen, and you do not have to be Nostradamus in order to see it. Backlash incoming.
10/10
I keep having say this, but you know what, Microsoft, EA, Activision and Ubisoft needs to hear this. If I'm buying a physical retail game, I OWN it. I want to be able to play it whenever, wherever I want. I don't want a server telling me what I can and cannot do with a product I bought because 1) I wasn't connected to the internet, or 2) my buddy is playing the game. They are stripping ownership from the consumer. Now I can't even sell my copy of the game in a peer-to-peer transaction because Gamestop, Microsoft and the publisher wants a cut of the action, leaving the consumer out in the cold. This is bs. Nothing here benefits the consumer. It is a scheme to keep the cash flows coming into these big companies. And the problem is, NO ONE, not a single company or publisher is saying this is wrong. Listen, I'm all for digital distribution, but even there, draconian hand holding DRM is unacceptable and inherently anti-consumer.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I can loan out discs to many people at the same time. As many people as I have games, in theory. On Xbone, I can only have one other person using my games at any given time.
I really hope that GameFly doesn't lay down and take this, and goes to court to try to protect all of our "rental rights."
There's no guarantee that they would win, but they need to fight god damnit!
There's also the Dark Souls $10 deal....
MS seems to be changing their pricing as of late. Only question is if they take it with them to the Xbox one
maabus1999
Member
I have never seen my laptops go beyond a couple weeks without re-authenticating, and I have a total of 2591.1 hours played on my account. I actually get frustrated with the offline mode fairly often with some of the newer games (they just sometimes won't launch).
dreamer3kx
Member
Need a manual to understand all this, clusterfrack.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Because you can give individual discs to as many people as you like?
The family sharing thing allows only one other person to access all of your games at any given time.
Relaxed Muscle
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MoGamesXNA
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This is still abhorrent. I'm not sure why some people in here are taking the "phew that's ok then" stance.
They've timed this information release perfectly too. Bad news always goes down better on a Thursday/Friday.
They've timed this information release perfectly too. Bad news always goes down better on a Thursday/Friday.
That's nice and all but there are far less draconian ways to go about doing this. Look at Steam. You can play your single player games offline once they are installed. AMAZING!
The thing with always online is it never seems to be a problem to most until it is (see SimCity and Diablo III). You punish the consumer who legitimately bought the game more than give them cool new reasons to play online. It is forced, not fun and only serves to get in the way as you try to immerse yourself in a game. PC had similar troubles and found a solution to the problem. Microsoft is repeating the same mistakes and is going to pay for it in the long haul.
Angelus Errare
Banned
PS4 is totally going to have DRM.
isn't gears of war 1 30 bucks on demand?
Fox Mulder
Member
But you have bad Internet and live in a rural area, so you must be poor.
God dammit, totally misread the Xbox pages, thanks for posting summaries GAF.
I thought that you could lend your game to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days ONCE.
When actually you forfeit ownership (basically sell) your game to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days. Afterwards you can no longer get the game back from them, and they themselves can't sell the game to another person.
This is actually a huge blow to me more than anything else. Even though I don't buy used games or take games from friends myself, I always do like to lend out my game's collection to others in hopes of them having fun with said games and becoming fans of the same series I love. In a lot of way it helped me get people into games like Dark Souls, Bioshock, and Portal. Guess that won't happen with the next Xbox.
I thought that you could lend your game to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days ONCE.
When actually you forfeit ownership (basically sell) your game to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days. Afterwards you can no longer get the game back from them, and they themselves can't sell the game to another person.
This is actually a huge blow to me more than anything else. Even though I don't buy used games or take games from friends myself, I always do like to lend out my game's collection to others in hopes of them having fun with said games and becoming fans of the same series I love. In a lot of way it helped me get people into games like Dark Souls, Bioshock, and Portal. Guess that won't happen with the next Xbox.
maabus1999
Member
Which version of Steam is it running? That might be the difference.
You don't know.
Bornstellar
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Karak
Member
Agreed but currently there are NO sales on either machine which means the publishers do have more pressure they can apply there isn't a threat of 30 million current systems BUT If Sony doesn't do it...those guys will SOMEHOW penalize them. You know they will.
On one hand, this should be good for Gamestop because it will kill off a lot of the competition.
On the other hand, how likely is it that any of the big publishers will allow their games to be traded? I don't know, but if I had to guess...
Looks to me like Gamestop's used business could be going down anyway.
On the other hand, how likely is it that any of the big publishers will allow their games to be traded? I don't know, but if I had to guess...
Looks to me like Gamestop's used business could be going down anyway.
Puppet Shadow
Member
You only authenticate after you've downloaded the game and started it (which means you're obviously online if you're downloading it), then you never need to be online again. Ever.
If for some reason your computer crashes as you're exiting Steam, there is the possibility you will bork this, so just make a file called 'steam.cfg' that contains the lines:
BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
ForceOfflineMode=enable
save it to your Steam folder and remain offline.
Share this, bitches!
Which was stuck behind a $50 XBL Gold paywall.
you totally don't know that
Clearly the answer is NO.