Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

tournanext said:
2. Steam has promised to release a 'no online check' patch should Valve ever go out of business.

7. Even with the lax DRM and low prices, Gabe is literally swimming in pools of money every night and has little incentive to tighten the noose.
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The other ones are fine, and I agree with the gist, but these two boil down to "Valve > Microsoft" or trusting people on stuff you can't hold them to, and that's not a great way to go about buying stuff.

It sounds alarmist, but paranoia gets you through.
 
bkfount said:
Killing sales on Craigslist, eBay, forums, between friends, etc will absolutely benefit GameStop or whoever is on the approved retailer list. If people hated GameStop for the trade in values before, what are they going to be with a monopoly on the market.

I imagine if developers even allow you to sell your (their) game, it will be far after release and maybe right at the release of their next one to drive you to buy it. Wait in line at midnight for the new Madden and get a bonus $5 for your used game!!!
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What I mean is - killing off competition could drive their used game business by, I don't know 3-5x ?

But if all the big publishers don't allow a used market in the first place, I imagine that could cut the used market by 10 times or more, which would make the used market much smaller than it used to be.
 
I have to wonder if we forced Microsoft to release this info. I mean, they kept it to themselves for so long. A site (I think Eurogamer, not sure though) speculated that they were keeping quiet because of contractual obligations with a partner company. The fact that no company was named in this announcement means that if this is the case, MS would of had to break that part of the agreement. That would mean that they realize that they're in deep shit with gamers.
 
dmaul1114 said:
The truth is they simply don't want customers without internet.

They want people buying digital games as they get all the money, vs. selling games for whatever price to retailers who sell them marked up to $60.

They want people paying for Xbox Live.

They want people buying/renting movies and shows.

And so on.

It sucks, but really why should they want business from someone with no internet, who primarily buys used games etc.? Hardware gets sold at a loss for a good chunk of a generation, so if someone isn't buying new games or digital content, what do they have to lose by telling that customer to go pound sand?

Just the nature of business. You want to attract the customers who will spend a ton of money with you, and not worry about those who spend little.

Now, this could well backfire as it's definitely pissing off the hardcore gamer crowd who buys a ton of games apiece. So i'm not in anyway defending them. Just saying we can't really expect them to really care about segments of the market with no internet, or the segment that primarily buys used as these are markets they don't get much money from anyway.
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Well said. They're gambling that a new demographic will cancel out the loses they'll incur from losing the non-internet demographic.
 
I wonder if the EA Nintendo relationship involved this.... It will be a interesting story years down the road when we get the true story or what all is going on right now.
 
bkfount said:
Killing sales on Craigslist, eBay, forums, between friends, etc will absolutely benefit GameStop or whoever is on the approved retailer list. If people hated GameStop for the trade in values before, what are they going to be with a monopoly on the market.

I imagine if developers even allow you to sell your (their) game, it will be far after release and maybe right at the release of their next one to drive you to buy it. Wait in line at midnight for the new Madden and get a bonus $5 for your used game!!![
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That still doesn't really benefit GameStop over the current situation. Somebody has to buy that old used copy of Madden. King of ashes and whatnot.
 
how the hell did i miss this today? a quick perusal of the announcement leads me to believe that i shan't be getting an xbox one.

sony, the ball is in your court
they will almost certainly have similar bullshit in place, but they're gonna wait until after e3 to talk about it
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
His history of deals on 360 is a good indication. And if that was their intention they would be yelling it at every corner of the world by now.
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Stuff can can change, like as of late. And they weren't yelling at everyone about those deals either. All I'm saying that it's not impossible.

Already deciding what will happen and what not seems premature to me. There is nothing lost by just waiting to see what the online store will look like
 
I would like to thank MS, Sony, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. for giving me the ability to LEASE games for 60 dollars a piece. Well, at least my friends can watch Blu-Rays I loan them anytime and as many times as I want.
 
Angelus Errare said:
If that makes you feel better about the inevitable, okay.
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That would seem to be inevitable if it wasn't for signs pointing out the contrary

Pennywise said:
From the Sony conference thread. SCEA employee.

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I'm wondering if this clarification will help Sony solidify what it is they are going to set as their policy. What if Sony says that they will also allow publishers to specify things like a no-resale policy, or a no-lending policy, or must-activate policy, title by title? This would still mean that their "you will be able to have a functional console without ever going online" statement technically true. I really hope this is not the case.
 
Reallink said:
This would wipe out all the dude bro frat house, but seriously, it's a good point people are overlooking. All your shit is gone should MS decide to ban your account for whatever reason. File a credit card charge back for erroneous charges or their slime ball auto-billing? Banned. Piss off a clan that decided to carpet bomb your GT with complaints of "hacking" or launching hateful personal attacks? Banned. Dare to question or criticize MS on official Xbox forums (a la some of the EA scandals)? Banned. Even Steam has had situations like this.
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Welcome to their utopian future :(
 
You know, this level of asshatery has really polluted the MS ecosystem.

Windows 8 - desktops and laptops are impossible to navigate and use because of the tablet interface and caused PC sales to drop massively because the interface was absolute shit.

Office - is moving towards becoming completely subscription based and regulated on where you can install it and how long you can use it for (meaning you don't pay your month/year subscription fee the software becomes dead). The next iteration of Office probably won't have a one time purchase option.

Xbox One - probably the most anti-consumer product released in recent memory (as everyone has been talking about the last few weeks).

I'm amazed at what they've become - only a few years ago, with Windows 7, Office 2010 and the Xbox 360 did the company seem like it was on the top of it's game and really was moving forward with a vision.

Now? Everything they have done in the last year or so has been just absolutely horrific from a consumer standpoint.

They'll still make an ungodly amount of money but I'm afraid that going this route is going to set a precedent, especially if it is successful, that will allow more and more companies dictate the rights of the everyday consumer, thus taking away the basic freedoms of being able to resell purchased goods. It's almost like a capitalistic version of communism (yes I know what I just said and what it means).

Good luck to MS - they sure as hell won't be getting my cash. Sony either if they follow suit.
 
tournanext said:
Reasons to like Steam over Xbox One:
1. Go offline mode indefinitely. (yes, really, it's not just a few weeks)
6. Your friends can log into your account and play all your games with no restrictions and even in offline mode.
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These two are only the case because Steam doesn't allow used games. But your 'competition' point is valid.
 
SparkTR said:
Which was stuck behind a $50 XBL Gold paywall.
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Only people with one year subscriptions can access deals?

When did this happen?

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•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

This sounds a little too good to be true. If multiple people can access your games on any Xbox One then as long as a game can be played by more than one person at a time this will be abused beyond belief.
 
TheMan said:
how the hell did i miss this today? a quick perusal of the announcement leads me to believe that i shan't be getting an xbox one.

sony, the ball is in your court
they will almost certainly have similar bullshit in place, but they're gonna wait until after e3 to talk about it
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Alternatively, they'll just avoid talking about it altogether.

xxracerxx said:
I love how people actively want Sony to have the same DRM shit as XBO does....jesus people.
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The way I see it, they have to have something in order for the large publishers to retain the PS4 as a platform.
 
My point is, I bought them at release.

At release. Didn't buy 360 due to no games I was interested in.

Was thinking about buying one but RROD happened and I went fuck that.

My point is for those of us who don't have the luxury of having good internet, the 24 hour thing fucks us over.
 
Well, I guess it could be worse. I don't really care about the trading in stuff considering I've just been more cautious with purchases. I really don't get the online check in thing though, that's awkward to me. Regardless I don't see how people assume PS4 will be so much better in regards to DRM control. I can't help but assume it may be similar. Guess I'm gonna stick to PC / Wii U next gen, and instead of buying a PS4 or XBone I'll buy a 3DS XL.
 
As someone who has been gaming almost my entire life, this really makes me sad. You guys that are saying "it's not so bad" and end up supporting it are really just letting these companies give it to you in the ass little by little. That's what this entire generation has been about. Them coming up with new ways to bend gamers over little by little to see how much they would take.

I thought all this anti-consumer stuff would really wake you all up to how awful it has been since 2007 but I guess not enough will care about it to really take a stand. I will not be buying an Xbone with the current policies in place. If Sony follows suit I will not buy it either. I will quit console gaming.
 
CouldBeWorse said:
There are no physical games on Xbox One. You are just paying for a digital license. The physical disc just eliminates the download. After the installation, it's no different than a downloaded copy.

I'm not sure if everyone understands that.
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Oh, we understand we're getting raped, alright. It doesn't mean we like it.
 
Fact: Sony have said PS4 doesn't need to be online.

Problem: How can games have DRM if it can't be sure it's online?

Answer: Sony will have versions of online passes.
 
Man step out for a few hours and you miss out!

Can somebody clarify the statement that 10 family members can access and play your game library from your collection? is that simultaneously? While you are playing at the same time on the same game at home?


Can't be?
 
ShogunX said:
Only people with one year subscriptions can access deals?

When did this happen?

Also

•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

This sounds a little too good to be true. If multiple people can access your games on any Xbox One then as long as a game can be played by more than one person at a time this will be abused beyond belief.
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Do you want to join my family? We can be brothers and share games!
 
Concerning Sony, what they have currently said is that the PlayStation 4 can be played outside of a Internet connection. We don't specifically know what this means, or whether it just points to the ability to play singleplayer games offline and (the obvious) multiplayers online.

This has to be one of the biggest problems coming into this next-gen, is the amount of mis-information and skewed truth. Sadly this is due to all the PR bull that floats around to ensure no one says anything "wrong" or out of line, but it is definitely not helping the hardcore market who listen the most.

From what I've seen so far in regards to discussion on the Xbox One DRM, is that the mainstream don't care. They'll grab one and #dealwithit, but the more concerned are the hardcore guys and gals. Are they the bread and butter for Sony and Microsoft? I'm not sure. Guess we will just have to wait, but for now I definitely think any device that tries to tread on consumer rights is not going to do well.

Also my previous comments about the reactions to this in comparison to Steam still stand, I feel like what some people are complaining about has been going on for awhile now on the PC market. Yes you can get cheap games through Green Man, CD key websites or other sites, but it still ties back into Steam. Of course Steam also offer those lovely deals, but checking the top sellers right now and you'll see a majority of those titles are still highly priced, at least in Australia where I live.
 
Otheradam said:
As someone who has been gaming almost my entire life, this really makes me sad. You guys that are saying "it's not so bad" and end up supporting it are really just letting these companies give it to you in the ass little by little. That's what this entire generation has been about. Them coming up with new ways to bend gamers over little by little to see how much they would take.

I thought all this anti-consumer stuff would really wake you all up to how awful it has been since 2007 but I guess not enough will care about it to really take a stand. I will not be buying an Xbone with the current policies in place. If Sony follows suit I will not buy it either. I will quit console gaming.
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It's entirely the result of moving the game library over to digital. I'm betting you'll see the same thing happen if other companies do the same and want to allow used games.
 
ShogunX said:
Only people with one year subscriptions can access deals?

When did this happen?

Also

•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

This sounds a little too good to be true. If multiple people can access your games on any Xbox One then as long as a game can be played by more than one person at a time this will be abused beyond belief.
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Best case scenario is that you and one other person could play at the same time which would be a megaton. You and a friend could split the cost of a game and play together.
 
All Sony has to do at this point at their conference is to walk up on stage whisper into the microphone "No DRM" and they've won. They don't even have to show any games.
 
xxracerxx said:
I love how people actively want Sony to have the same DRM shit as XBO does....jesus people.
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I can see how people try to justify purchases they've already made, but defending ones they haven't even made yet is just mystifying.
 
BoboBrazil said:
Microsoft saying it is adding more value to the service means they are increasing prices. I understand corporate lingo. Also sounds like the rumor of a XBL family account for $89 or $99 might be true. Want to share those games with your family members? Going to have to buy a xbox family account.
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Are ALL accounts not essentially family accounts now?
 
dmaul1114 said:
The truth is they simply don't want customers without internet.

They want people buying digital games as they get all the money, vs. selling games for whatever price to retailers who sell them marked up to $60.

They want people paying for Xbox Live.

They want people buying/renting movies and shows.

And so on.

It sucks, but really why should they want business from someone with no internet, who primarily buys used games etc.? Hardware gets sold at a loss for a good chunk of a generation, so if someone isn't buying new games or digital content, what do they have to lose by telling that customer to go pound sand?

Just the nature of business. You want to attract the customers who will spend a ton of money with you, and not worry about those who spend little.

Now, this could well backfire as it's definitely pissing off the hardcore gamer crowd who buys a ton of games apiece. So i'm not in anyway defending them. Just saying we can't really expect them to really care about segments of the market with no internet, or the segment that primarily buys used as these are markets they don't get much money from anyway.
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eorl said:
Concerning Sony, what they have currently said is that the PlayStation 4 can be played outside of a Internet connection. We don't specifically know what this means, or whether it just points to the ability to play singleplayer games offline and (the obvious) multiplayers online.

This has to be one of the biggest problems coming into this next-gen, is the amount of mis-information and skewed truth. Sadly this is due to all the PR bull that floats around to ensure no one says anything "wrong" or out of line, but it is definitely not helping the hardcore market who listen the most.

From what I've seen so far in regards to discussion on the Xbox One DRM, is that the mainstream don't care. They'll grab one and #dealwithit, but the more concerned are the hardcore guys and gals. Are they the bread and butter for Sony and Microsoft? I'm not sure. Guess we will just have to wait, but for now I definitely think any device that tries to tread on consumer rights is not going to do well.

Also my previous comments about the reactions to this in comparison to Steam still stand, I feel like what some people are complaining about has been going on for awhile now on the PC market. Yes you can get cheap games through Green Man, CD key websites or other sites, but it still ties back into Steam. Of course Steam also offer those lovely deals, but checking the top sellers right now and you'll see a majority of those titles are still highly priced, at least in Australia where I live.
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The quotes are extremely clear. You can enjoy the PS4 completely offline, without internet. They thought about online drm, but decided against it because they want to sell PS4 in countries that have garbage internet.
 
maabus1999 said:
I still get "Steam must re-authenticate your Steam Credentials" fairly often on my laptops, which do keep up to date (at least within a few months).

Maybe it is because I also have multiple devices (currently 4) tied to my account? That might be a hidden factor in "timing out" since people could be "sharing"

But yes the offline mode launching games has greatly improved this year. The previous 5 years was butting my head against a wall.
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It does that when you swap devices yeah.
 
Wolves Evolve said:
Fact: Sony have said PS4 doesn't need to be online.

Problem: How can games have DRM if it can't be sure it's online?

Answer: Sony will have versions of online passes.
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And online passes are a multitude better than this shitstorm Microsoft are feeding us.
At least with passes they're on a publisher game to game basis and easily ignored.
 
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