Online passes...still means I could buy a used PS4 game and play the single player game without ever buying the online pass.
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Online passes...still means I could buy a used PS4 game and play the single player game without ever buying the online pass.
webkatt
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I have the luxury of blazing fast internet that never go down. In my most recent place I have had steady internet for 3 years straight.
Weather wise, I'm fine as I live in Los Angeles.
I can be perfectly content buying a XBone and playing it. hell i may even enjoy it.
However, I WON'T be getting this trojan horse piece of shit.
Why do I want to accept arbitrary restrictions against me based on imagined or assumed sleights for simply being a consumer.
It's out fault developers/publishers are double dipping their profits.
Weather wise, I'm fine as I live in Los Angeles.
I can be perfectly content buying a XBone and playing it. hell i may even enjoy it.
However, I WON'T be getting this trojan horse piece of shit.
Why do I want to accept arbitrary restrictions against me based on imagined or assumed sleights for simply being a consumer.
It's out fault developers/publishers are double dipping their profits.
bigboss370
Member
MS knows we don't like this. They goddamn know. They still don't care.
And this is the second thread in as many days that has surpassed the MS E3 hype thread.
And this is the second thread in as many days that has surpassed the MS E3 hype thread.
You know damn well multiple people can't play another person's game library at the same time.
If Sony does this as well, then Nintendo will automatically win the 8th console war by default, as people will rush out to buy their Wii U due to what both MS & Sony are doing, while everyone else goes PC only.
Fuck buying digitally when no one seems interested in backwards compatibility. MS, EA, etc. want to turn gaming into a service where you own dick, and as soon as something isn't profitable any more they can just switch it off to force you to buy the next thing.
Comparing to steam & PCs is complete horseshit. My PC games -always- work, sometimes with a bit of work. EA can't magically shut off my copy of Ultima Underworld, and they're probably pissed off about that.
And its remarkable its almost always the juniors that are okay with it, and/or trying to point a finger at Sony. This has to be the biggest shill push I've ever heard of.
Comparing to steam & PCs is complete horseshit. My PC games -always- work, sometimes with a bit of work. EA can't magically shut off my copy of Ultima Underworld, and they're probably pissed off about that.
And its remarkable its almost always the juniors that are okay with it, and/or trying to point a finger at Sony. This has to be the biggest shill push I've ever heard of.
NoLootBoxDev
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I hope the servers crash horrible and they cant be back for 1 week from the release, that should leave the Xbone in an horrible position. I hope the Ps4 doesnt have this kind of shit and have a better price.
It is very interesting to see how GAF and the market will react if both consoles are employing these practices. Will the consumers speak and boycott? Or are gamers too weak and need their fix?
It will indeed be a very interesting generation.
CosmicQueso
Member
I mean... hot damn. MS was the first to go along with it? And now they want to put boxes WITH CAMERAS AND MICS in our living rooms? Forget used games people... this is bigger than that, isn't it?
oldtimegamer007
Banned
Restricting used games is up to the publisher on the xbox one is it not? Just like online passes?
Delusibeta
Banned
No, only one person would be permitted per game AFAIK.
I'm impressed by how much this shit is sturdy. That or Francis is really weak, lol.
They'll lose some exclusive DLC and a few exclusive games. Publishers can't afford to ignore the reach of Sony's console.
yes they eliminated charging extra for family accounts preparing for this Id assume
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It's not the same thing as always online either. It never blocked you out the entire game ever also the fact that you never have to be online period.
Agreed!
Online passes are awkward, but they're a heck of a lot better solution than this bull crap Microsoft is trying to sell.
seattle6418
Member
This is absurd. The only possible response to the three items would be "just like the 360". The fact they went out of their way to produce criptic messages show us what they really want.
There's more, i predict that every game will use the "infinite power of the cloud" as a way to be always online.
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but to see that somehow some "journalists" are making fun of us is just beyond...
I can understand die hard fanboys still defending features that give you nothing in return, but journalists calling us out for being mad?
This system is shaping up to be a bad joke, and the worst part of it is that it's probably going to sell well.
I'm looking forward to the PS4, but if they give their "it's up to the publishers on used games" i will call them out as well.
Nobody should be defending bullshit. We should be shocked that the industry is trying to be the first ones to do this, as a poor attempt to improve anemic sales.
Piracy will skyrocket if PS4 does the same regarding used games.
There's more, i predict that every game will use the "infinite power of the cloud" as a way to be always online.
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but to see that somehow some "journalists" are making fun of us is just beyond...
I can understand die hard fanboys still defending features that give you nothing in return, but journalists calling us out for being mad?
This system is shaping up to be a bad joke, and the worst part of it is that it's probably going to sell well.
I'm looking forward to the PS4, but if they give their "it's up to the publishers on used games" i will call them out as well.
Nobody should be defending bullshit. We should be shocked that the industry is trying to be the first ones to do this, as a poor attempt to improve anemic sales.
Piracy will skyrocket if PS4 does the same regarding used games.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
The fact of the matter is that I can take that game to the corners of Alaska and still be able to play it provided that I have electricity, come back the next day and give it to my friend who can keep it or sell it or gift it; these are the privileges I see with current-gen consoles.
With that said, times are changing. PS4 (or Wii U) may be the last consoles that have no bullshit like that.
Publishers need Sony as much as Sony needs publishers, if not more.
Phire Phox
Banned
Damn 100 pages in under 5 hrs.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
It's insane to think that a company would willingly shrink the market to try and make more money. I can't think of a better word than insanity.
Chump change customers add up. Customers change habits. Putting up more walls and barriers to entry is insane.
Majukun
Member
we are the ones buying the consoles
actually,we are the ones that buy the games too....
please stop to speak like they decide and we have to obey...wake up
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
One "family member" per library, actually. But yeah, only one person per game even then.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yes but Microsoft's policy of online-DRM fully supports the publishers in their restrictions. Sony's approach can be completely removed from the whole debacle.
And we can still play our games without requiring the internet.
Duxxy3
Member
I pre-order a PS4 on Tuesday assuming they do the following on Monday night
1: no drm
2: under $400
3: show games
pretty simple stuff
I'm totally fucking ok with online passes honestly. Paying a small fee to access the constantly online aspects of a game is cool, because otherwise you're sending traffic to a server owned by a developer who didn't see your money. But you still have access to the offline portions of the game just fine and don't cost the developer any money.
All this Xbone shit though is completely unacceptable.
Stone Ocean
Member
Publishers won't be dumb to ignore half their costumers for childish ego reasons.
Indeed. It would be abused like crazy.
Fox Mulder
Member
It's been like that forever. The weekly deals are for Gold members only, just like demos, YouTube, Netflix, etc.
So more tacked on multiplayer? Or what else can a pure SP game do?
kerotan_eater
Banned
Yeah ... this is not looking good from my end. I'm a broke university student, so I rent from a family owned company. I feel so sorry for them right now, especially if Sony follows suit.
All of my friends ... play Call of Duty and that's about it. This sharing thing (which still isn't clear) doesn't really benefit me I'd think.
It's still down to the games, but I am that much more hesitant in purchasing a next gen console for sure.
All of my friends ... play Call of Duty and that's about it. This sharing thing (which still isn't clear) doesn't really benefit me I'd think.
It's still down to the games, but I am that much more hesitant in purchasing a next gen console for sure.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Only 50 here.
That does seem to be the case, but I'd really like to get a proper article like this Xbox One press release, just outlining everything in plain English.
maabus1999
Member
But if I keep the laptops online, it shouldn't know I've swapped on another device. Point being, and I am not alone, that steam offline constantly acts differently. It either A.) Breaks in a patch, B.) Loses credentials, or C.) Won't launch certain games in offline mode (this has improved though).
People having a computer offline for a long time have either an older version of steam that is allowing it, or are extremely lucky it has remained stable since Windows itself can corrupt Steam credentials.
games are rarely $20 day one though. And retail 360 games get discounted heavily both day one and later on. While i don't expect xbox digital prices to be as flexible as steam, i do think xbox retail game discounts will go a long way to covering that. And the end result on your console is identical (xbox retail games are basically just steamworks discs)
I mean... hot damn. MS was the first to go along with it? And now they want to put boxes WITH CAMERAS AND MICS in our living rooms? Forget used games people... this is bigger than that, isn't it?
Don't be ridiculous. I'm all for the used games outrage (even though there are logical reasons behind it), but this Kinect conspiracy is stupid. There's even a link to the privacy outline in the OP.
BoboBrazil
Member
Individual account with the increased power of "THE CLOUD"=$69 a year.
Family account that includes the game share list where you can "share" games with up to 10 family members(can't play same game on more than 1 console for over 1 hour at a time)=$99 a year
ADDED VALUE!
It's not childish ego reasons. It's an investment to get a larger consumer base for a console that will ultimately net them more money (theoretically).
But I agree. They won't ignore half their consumers for those long term goals.
They do say that the host player can play at any time and that one other person can play at a certain given time. The wording does allow for simultaneous play but someone like Kotaku will have to directly ask Microsoft.
You also don't need PERMISSION to do whatever you want with your game.
The real issue however with that IS the 9.99 fee for online if the previous owner used the code RIP. Still DRM but not as extreme as this. I would HONESTLY rather have Sony do this again and keep it like PS3.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
Been busy working and just saw this, WTF?
So basically it's not the end of Gamestop . It all works to their benefit.
Ha Ha
Bullshit.
So basically it's not the end of Gamestop . It all works to their benefit.
Ha Ha
Bullshit.
I have a reliable internet conection, I don't buy used games, I don't sell my games, but there's no way in hell I'm touching this console. The terms are outrageous and any consumer should be offended. If Sony goes an even remotely similar route I quit console gaming.
You're not getting another dime out of me M$.
You're not getting another dime out of me M$.
soulassssns
Banned
So is my PC but when my internet goes out for longer than a 24hr period I can still play my single player games.
Duxxy3
Member
oh god i love your name
JetBlackPanda
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Microsoft to you: Go Fuck Yourself
Boogalogist
Member
It hit 5000 posts....looks like someone won their bet.