Metalmurphy
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It's not. EU != UK.
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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It's not. EU != UK.
I seriously cant see how anybody can defend this.
This is right on the line of what you can do in the european market. When you have bought a new console, you should use it the way you want. When you buy a game it is yours, Microsoft or any other third party publisher should get money of what you have already bought.
And the "always" online (one hour, 24 hour) is also outrageous. I seriously hope that people don't buy this console, if you do it will be a huge blow to the gamers. And its just shows that the gamers accept being stepped on as long as they get some games. If we accept this i can see Microsoft going even harder in 6-7 years when new consoles are coming out. What will be the next?
No, Sony take my money.
This is right on the line of what you can do in the european market. When you have bought a new console, you should use it the way you want. When you buy a game it is yours, Microsoft or any other third party publisher should get money of what you have already bought.
And the "always" online (one hour, 24 hour) is also outrageous. I seriously hope that people don't buy this console, if you do it will be a huge blow to the gamers. And its just shows that the gamers accept being stepped on as long as they get some games. If we accept this i can see Microsoft going even harder in 6-7 years when new consoles are coming out. What will be the next?
No, Sony take my money.
bigbaldwolf86
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I'm in the UK, my brother is affluent and middle class with a family and lives on a large estate in our town populated pretty much exclusively by people like him. He has a 360 on which he exclusively plays CoD, with all his work mates who are affluent and middle class.
He is basically the target demographic.
The whole estate where he lives gets terrible broadband speed - around 0.3Mbps (he can't even watch Youtube on his iPad, the poor dear). Sounds like he won't be able to use Xbox One...
They are making a major gamble on infrastructure improving over the life-time of the console whilst remaining competitive until it does. Plus, I find it really hard to believe that the resale arrangements will be legal in the EU - maybe for digital copies, but for discs?
I was a heavy OG Xbox user and when someone gave me a 360 as a gift, I've enjoyed it immensely, but I'm going to be getting a nicely specced PC for less than the price of a One to put under the telly and enjoying Steam, iPlayer, BlinkBox, iTunes home sharing, Youtube, a decent browser, emulation, and all the other things a PC can do that this won't, without a subscription.
He is basically the target demographic.
The whole estate where he lives gets terrible broadband speed - around 0.3Mbps (he can't even watch Youtube on his iPad, the poor dear). Sounds like he won't be able to use Xbox One...
They are making a major gamble on infrastructure improving over the life-time of the console whilst remaining competitive until it does. Plus, I find it really hard to believe that the resale arrangements will be legal in the EU - maybe for digital copies, but for discs?
I was a heavy OG Xbox user and when someone gave me a 360 as a gift, I've enjoyed it immensely, but I'm going to be getting a nicely specced PC for less than the price of a One to put under the telly and enjoying Steam, iPlayer, BlinkBox, iTunes home sharing, Youtube, a decent browser, emulation, and all the other things a PC can do that this won't, without a subscription.
AHA-Lambda
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Got a link to that tweet about no used at launch?
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j0hnny_385
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Someone should update OP with all the relevant info, IMHO.
Means: *laughs*
EU is not UK, but there are also chain stores in european countries other than UK. There are gamestops in some places although they're not as prevalent as in the US, there's micromania in France, FNAC stores also carry video games (most of the ones I know do have second hand games although not sure if all do), etc.
Eliciel
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Consoles are dead and gone if this happens, at least for me, AngryJoe is right on that. If Sony doesn't make a move against those ideas it's over for me. I won't be buying this console generation at all.
This is a miserable monopolistic move by M$. They want us to bleed money. They want us to accept their market influence and buy every product from them and their actual profit ratio is not enough they need to double, tripple...quadrupple it! That's how Microsofts wants to play this. They are used to working in a monopolistic market and they love it, god damn it's sooo nice to get money for essentially doing jack****. Windows 8, WINDOWS 8 ARE YOU SERIOUS? Is this a step forward or a leap backwards? Did you pay to much money on marketing or what happened? Worst Windows ever, YES ever!
Why? "..because **** you give me money" - that's why
This is a miserable monopolistic move by M$. They want us to bleed money. They want us to accept their market influence and buy every product from them and their actual profit ratio is not enough they need to double, tripple...quadrupple it! That's how Microsofts wants to play this. They are used to working in a monopolistic market and they love it, god damn it's sooo nice to get money for essentially doing jack****. Windows 8, WINDOWS 8 ARE YOU SERIOUS? Is this a step forward or a leap backwards? Did you pay to much money on marketing or what happened? Worst Windows ever, YES ever!
Why? "..because **** you give me money" - that's why
There are smaller shop networks but i doubt they will care to integrate MS used game system aproval (or whatever it is).
All small shops won't sell used games.
And let's not forget rest of the world. There are no centralized gaming shops out there beside US, Canada and 2-3 EU countries.
Rest of the world won't have used games.
Do you live in Brazil ? Enjoy your 100$ new games because there won't be any used games out there to buy.
Live in middle east ? Well you can start open your life savings to buy few games.
Live in Russia ? How about 80$ games only
That's the deal. I can't imagine more fucked up marketing than that.
Now consider small shops. What will they do with their shop space ? Do you think they will support MS in their shop if PS4 will have used games ?
Fuck no. If Sony announces there won't be any DRM and no used game restriction they will sell only PS4 consoles.
Broadband req is another major fail. There is ton of people in the world that do not have internet connection or their connection is super shitty. They won't buy xbone or they will return it shortly.
maquiladora
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This. There is a lot more detail that needs to go into the OP.
thanks. btt : Is sharing online bought games like on PSN even possible now on xbox live? i never used the Box in all the years, just watched some people play it.
@ STG : i nearly forgot.. even better hehe
amstradcpc
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Suppossely is an onomatopoeia of someone laughing loud.
Caayn
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Didn't you get the memo that the Xbox One is only targeted at the USA market?
No its quite right. In Italy for example this absolutely is correct. There is not a real centralized game chain. Doesn't help that Sony is strong in mainland Europe.
Only one person can play at the time same like PSN sharing. Problem is that Xbone is always online and you won't be able to play your games if someone other like your friend will start to play earlier.
If they get good enough broadband to play COD together then he should be fine, right?
Someone without good Internet is not in Microsoft's target demographic though. They want people renting movies etc. Games are just the Trojan horse to get their online services into the living room.
Ja, Ich spreche Deutsch.... but I meant that "jajaja" is just laughing in written Spanish, you are the one learning something new today ^^ ! Xbox OwNEd : )
Templar_Dante
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Yes, agreed. But theres one hitch with MS firing everyone...
It was always their intention to go down this route..
I was thinking why they called this "Xbox One" and I thought, it makes sense if they release
Xbox Two
Xbox Three
Xbox Four
Xbox Five
over a 10yr cycle, Keeping the same APU for gaming
8Jaguar CPUs
HD7790 GPU
Maybe making revisions for T.V, like say, 12GB of ram. or another pool for other functions while retaining the same gaming capabilities to sell it not as a games console in future, but something that is used as a peripheral that plays games, but is primarily for t.v. Hence why they say they aim to sell billions of units.
The Xbox One is planning on being the ultimate trojan device and us "gamers" are exposing it to the mainstream...
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Yeah. We were right on the edge of the beach, too.
B-b-but Europe like TV, sports AND dogs!
reddwarf42
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The 24 hour check in requirement is the thing that bothers me most. I have been without internet for more than 24 hours before and not being able to play single player games outside of the check in would suck.
Tablet/mobile games don't do this.
Steam doesn't do this (it's 30 days on Steam which is fine).
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
Tablet/mobile games don't do this.
Steam doesn't do this (it's 30 days on Steam which is fine).
It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
This. There was a post the other day from someone who works for Tesco in the UK about the number of Wii U's returned because average customers thought it was an add-on for the Wii.
Joe public is not gonna understand all the onerous requirements of the One before purchase and when they hit a problem, then what....
Why? "..because **** you give me money" - that's why
Perfect. He seems to be getting a lot of attention and hits on YouTube.
That's what I'm hoping for too. It's a risk but I think Sony's consumer friendly practices can win in the end. They already won me over with ps+ and their focus on gamers. I know they aren't requiring an online connection so I don't know how they would restrict used games but even if they did that at least it doesn't require a connection. I'd feel more comfortable with that because then I might be more confident that I can play them years down the road. Hopefully they just keep things as is though.
To be fair, they don't have to work nearly as hard right now. We'll get a better picture when/if Sony drops some bad news.
- Always online is like my awful experience with Diablo 3, that made me promise that I will never touch a game or system like that again, a 24h check is an issue, but is not always-online.
- No used market at the start is something I did not find in the xbox website, but even if it's true, it's not the same as "Xbox won't allow used games".
- The Xbox On command can be desactivated too.
I know there are more issues, I just listed the three major complains everyone had in gaf the last weeks, the 24hours came in the last conference, the people were always talking about always-online, like if you are in the middle of a game and if your internet connection faild you would be thrown out of the game.
About usedgames, people made threads about gamestop going out of bussiness, can't resell your games and all that, and right now you can, with restrictions of course, it's not perfect.
Kinect is an absolutely non-issue at this point, it's going to be there always-plugged, but you don't have to use it at all.
I don't think so - I think gaming only requires a small amount of bandwidth (someone correct me) and like I said, his speed is about 0.3Mbps, a fifth of the 1.5Mbps required.
Find it hard to believe that Microsoft would risk it's whole ents division without knowing Sony were onboard the DRM train as well or that major publishers have binding contracts that they won't publish their IP's on non DRM consoles
Haha I know right? And the way it's worded as if we should all feel so privileged if they do decide to grant us permission to loan our games.
GribbleGrunger
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Does that come with a refund for the extra money you spent for a feature you clearly don't want?
LTTP(...not a party in this case) and just saw the content of the OP. What...I don't even..
Not mine. So good even the lighting.
reads op...
Not mine. So good even the lighting.
And I thought getting 15Mbps out of ADSL2+ was bad lol
Now Im on fiber at the moment. Bliss.
And yes, gaming do not take much bandwidth, latency is more important. If he wants to host he needs good upload but I dont think thats any of his concern. It would ben even better now that dedicated servers will be active for all games.
Or "Get another job and rent a holiday gaming flat which has internet for the weekend."
Dreams-Visions
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Bueno.LTTP(...not a party in this case) and just saw the content of the OP. What...I don't even..
Not mine. So good even the lighting.
I'm VERY interested to see what happens with the Xbox One. I can't recall a time where a company took as severe a turn toward anti-consumer practices as this. The DRM combined with a head-to-head launch against PS4 could seriously injure the Xbox's sales.
So the big question is: what happens when Sony does the same thing? Where do we turn?
So the big question is: what happens when Sony does the same thing? Where do we turn?
Wickerbasket
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So... uhh.. there are two things that I can't understand. Hopefully some good Gaffer will help me
1) " and each game can only be given once "
What does it mean? I don't get it
2) They say you can give a game to a friend if he was in your friend list for over 30 days.
He also has to check online every hour.
But does he still have to log into your account?
Anyway, everything sounds like... a nightmare.
1) " and each game can only be given once "
What does it mean? I don't get it
2) They say you can give a game to a friend if he was in your friend list for over 30 days.
He also has to check online every hour.
But does he still have to log into your account?
Anyway, everything sounds like... a nightmare.
But as long as he is connected he should be fine right .I mean all the console will do is verify with the server every day ,the speed should not matter.The bigger problem is when the net is down for more than 24 hours for any reason.