Not. It isn't. The PC is an open platform and Xbox One isn't. Steam has to compete with numerous competitors on the same platform. If I don't like what Valve does I have choice. If I don't like what Microsoft does once I own the Xbox One, I'm fuck ed. It isn't even o the same planet of similarity. Stop trying to say they are.
Eurogamer Opinion - Microsoft kills game ownership and expects us to smile
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Not. It isn't. The PC is an open platform and Xbox One isn't. Steam has to compete with numerous competitors on the same platform. If I don't like what Valve does I have choice. If I don't like what Microsoft does once I own the Xbox One, I'm fuck ed. It isn't even o the same planet of similarity. Stop trying to say they are.
What? How could he use the game key if he hadn't the disc associated with it anymore? Looks like the Eastern/Central Europe vs the rest of the world are like totally different world. At least Poland was, I dunno really about others.
Here PC was alive and well, including buying and selling used - since internet became popular and buy/sell/trade subforums appeared. Hell, if my memory serves me well, even CD Projekt (while in the world they're known for RED, they are the biggest polish publisher and have been big for a good while) when created their community website, had a b/s/t platform in it for some time.
BlazingDarkness
Member
This is exactly what is happening, and then you've people like Brad Shoemaker making out that GAF is reacting for an agenda. As it stands, Sony deserves more praise and Microsoft deserves more scorn for any number of reasons. There's no unwritten rule that states each platform should be praised and criticized equally, that is bullshit.
If Sony came into this generation with a weak, anti-consumer tv shit-box then GAF would have reacted in a similar fashion - but that's not the case. Don't try and build a narrative or create an agenda behind how GAF reacts - GAF is not one person, GAF is simply a collection of gamers who are reacting appropriately to Microsoft's unequivocal deplorability.
If Sony came into this generation with a weak, anti-consumer tv shit-box then GAF would have reacted in a similar fashion - but that's not the case. Don't try and build a narrative or create an agenda behind how GAF reacts - GAF is not one person, GAF is simply a collection of gamers who are reacting appropriately to Microsoft's unequivocal deplorability.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Steam has competition in GOG, Green Man Games, Origin, etc. There will be one and only one store on Xbox One - therefore no competition to encourage cheaper prices.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I was reading an IGN article on Microsoft outlining how everything would work last night. I couldn't believe they were spinning your friends being able to play any of your games on your system at YOUR house as some reassuring perk!
The shackles they're trying to stick on gamers and the freedoms we've enjoyed since the beginning of the hobby are ridiculous. I don't need this crap in my hobby, and unless things change I no longer need Microsoft. If I could snap my fingers and bring the old Sega back to take their place I would.
The shackles they're trying to stick on gamers and the freedoms we've enjoyed since the beginning of the hobby are ridiculous. I don't need this crap in my hobby, and unless things change I no longer need Microsoft. If I could snap my fingers and bring the old Sega back to take their place I would.
Can't work out if it's evil genius at work here or just weapons grade ineptitude at this point. I seem to just laugh harder the worse it gets, but it's really just incredulity more than anything as I'm sure they can't possibly keep such a hostile trajectory. I've never seen anything like it. It's some kind of elaborate meta comedy/horror performance art and I'm just not sophisticated enough to recognize the punchline.
ITunes is so much more open and flexible than the monstrosity MS is pushing that it's hilarious. I jus recently found that I can actually log off my iTunes account, log into my friend's account, download a game he owns into my device then go back to my account. No online checks, no fucking nothing.
IGN being a video game industry shill machine? Who would have guessed?!
I really hate the fact that the majority of video game journalists get so fricking jaded, with their free copies and STEAM press accounts, over time. Many have lost touch to their readers / consumers just like MS and co. It's pretty refreshing to see at least a few major outlets that still speak their minds, not being afraid to hurt the feelings of the industry along the way.
I'm just happy my huuuuge board game collection is still here when push comes to shove. Ready to be played offline any time, featuring awesome graphics, and free local multiplayer!
Also, Steam doesn't require to be online once every 24hrs. Apart from the (once per game) activation process, it doesn't require to be online at all. Thus I can lend my account to trusted friends so they can borrow and play my games offline.
And the prices, of course.
You still can go buy physical games that need activation on Steam to be playable. The activation process requires an internet connection too!
steam is one pc platfrorm (the biggest)
there is Humble bundles other online shops whatever. if steam was a pure monopoly on pc it would be the xboxone
No. Less information about a device is not good.
They should cover it with as much facts as they can and then people decide if it's a good purchase or not.
They would not be serving their readers by censoring their own coverage of it. It only leaves more space for Microsoft's own formulated press.
IGN has always been like that. On one Podcast they were talking about how publishers and developers should be paid when one's playing their games and a couple of episodes later someone talked about having to get some games from the "vault"... not for review, of course. I think he even mentioned that he didn't want to buy it.
Oops. Metro blog is in the against column too. It being the most popular free newspaper in London, has some sway. It's pretty influential* among the many universities in London too. Don't want to rile up that student crowd.
Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers
Apparently they had a feature article on it yesterday. I take it their stance going forward will be of this opinion.
outlook: Cloudy.
*read: liked.
Xbox One and the corporate war against consumers
Apparently they had a feature article on it yesterday. I take it their stance going forward will be of this opinion.
outlook: Cloudy.
*read: liked.
plagiarize
Banned
hopefully the Xbox One will allow for preloading like Steam does. I can preload the game and leave my PC on to activate. Yes, if I have no net, I can't activate it, but I don't have to be there for the game to activate or download. I hope the Xbox One offers the same convenience.
You know, so if I ever buy one...
Because Steam isn't on a closed platform and you have options on where to buy your games.
You don't have that option with this new computer (I'm sorry, but I refuse to call it a console) from MS.
Yeah, you're right, a total blackout would be counterproductive.
Even some smaller token like no reviews could attract challenges from advertisers etc. Would be tricky.
Bravo Eurogamer. Don't see how anyone can have such clout to think this is good for consumers or the future of the industry.
Also Steam comparisons are entirely unvalid. At least Steam lets me play the games I downloaded at any point I want offline, meanwhile in order to even play the game I bought and registered with my account, I would have to sign into Xbox Live once every 24 hours. (not to mention Steam has more affordable pricing)
Also Steam comparisons are entirely unvalid. At least Steam lets me play the games I downloaded at any point I want offline, meanwhile in order to even play the game I bought and registered with my account, I would have to sign into Xbox Live once every 24 hours. (not to mention Steam has more affordable pricing)
Do you even have a Steam account?
maquiladora
Member
It's one of the main reason Steam got so popular, their awesome sales, amazing value for money for the consumer. I've never paid more than 10 bucks for a game on Steam.
Thats the type of thing that makes people love Steam, not the type of things that it has in common with MS's new policies!
flying dutchman
Neo Member
Excellent article that I am sure will be totally ignored by Microsoft. Lets see if Sony come clean at E3.
Steam is a distribution option, not a platform.
Pretty sure all of those games you mentioned had achievements or trophies, some had patches and title updates as well.
But sure fair enough a lot of game still fit the "whats on the disc is the game" model, a hell of a lot don't, we should have a flexible system that lets publishers get a fair deal for what they're providing and let's consumers choose what kind of experience they want to pay for.
These tools at least create an environment where a system like that could exist. It's been completely impossible in the retail market up till now. Not saying its going to exist day 1 on Xbox One, but at least there are options to create a fairer system (and I'm sure PS4 will have the same options).
I do see peoples complaints (certainly if XBL doesn't have more flexibility on price then this will all fail, and it will deserve to, and 24 hours doesn't seem long enough for the offline window) but I do also see a lot of self entitlement. You're not entitled to these mid & high tier games, if publishers can't find ways to make money from them they wont just keep making them at a loss to keep you happy, they will simply cease to exist, an industry where Tomb Raider is a flop selling 3.5million copies is not a sustainable industry.
Giving up your rights as long the price is right. I like it.
And another one.
Sandy Nipples
Banned
Anyone arguing for this atrocity is bought. Anyone. They need to be exposed, named and shamed.
Lazygamer.net also on this whole debacle:
http://www.lazygamer.net/24/microsoft-confirms-insane-xbox-one-drm/
Lazygamer.net also on this whole debacle:
http://www.lazygamer.net/24/microsoft-confirms-insane-xbox-one-drm/
BruiserBear
Banned
Eurogamer said:
I love how they made a point of ending with the most important fact of all on that list. Microsoft can change these rules anytime they feel like it. It's the ultimate power grab.
Eurogamer said:
Also love this line. lol
Sir_Crocodile
Member
The knives are out
note to microsoft - the ea/gearbox silence tactic doesn't work if you do it before your product is even out
note to microsoft - the ea/gearbox silence tactic doesn't work if you do it before your product is even out
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
I love how the comments in the article saying it's basically the same as Steam are getting downvoted. People really hate hearing the truth.
No I'm not saying Steam doesn't have its own advantages and sure Steam sales are better than what you'll find on Xbox One. But to flat out deny and pretend that the policies regarding reselling or trading games and whatnot are not the same is just....wow. But hey, anything to get on the Xbox One hate train, right! For the record I have no intention of ever getting an Xbone. I'm just calling it how I see it.
No I'm not saying Steam doesn't have its own advantages and sure Steam sales are better than what you'll find on Xbox One. But to flat out deny and pretend that the policies regarding reselling or trading games and whatnot are not the same is just....wow. But hey, anything to get on the Xbox One hate train, right! For the record I have no intention of ever getting an Xbone. I'm just calling it how I see it.
dollartaco
Member
Steam isn't a platform.
No. They 've lost. Not one friend of mine has bought gold in years. You say millions pay gold, but millions others don't. And those don't pay gold they end up not buying games. Microsoft has lost. They just haven't realized it yet because they are in the phase where they just spend money, investing, all for the long term plan. All because in the end they think they will be swimming in gold. But they won't. Those are money they're never getting back with that plan.
When I eventually get my hands on a steambox, all these games I've bought on steam store over the years for less than 5$ most of them, will be available to me day one. I welcome MS to do the same.
Indefinite offline usage. Super cheap pricing. Forever backward compatible. Not the only way to game on the PC platform. Just a few differences.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Steam is just but one service which offers games. Xbone is a whole platform which would offer no alternatives to what Microsoft enforce - they're not really comparable situations, even if some of the model is similar.
Delusibeta
Banned
Because it's false, and people parroting that are either idiots or Microsoft employees. Why? Because the PC is an open platform and you can get your games from Amazon/Green Man Gaming/Gamersgate/box retail/GOG/Humble Bundles/Indie Royale/Desura/The Pirate Bay. Meanwhile with the Xbone, you have a choice of Microsoft and Microsoft approved retailers.
(I don't think "ITS JUST LIKE STEAM" is a valid argument either fyi, I just thought this was funny)
People seriously need to go away and read what Steam is and what it does before they go down the whole "Err, Steam is digital as well" argument.
It's almost as if the need to trade is diminished when you buy a digital game for £3.49 compared to when you buy one for £59.99.
I know, right?!
It's almost as if the need to trade is diminished when you buy a digital game for £3.49 compared to when you buy one for £59.99.
I know, right?!
I cam be offline from STEAM indefinitely and still play games. I can purchase games from other sources as well so STEAM does not have gaming monopoly on the PC platform.
Just these two differences are a world of difference. And only the most die hard corporate apologist would say otherwise.
eso76
Member
I would be totally ok with not being the owner of a game.
As long as i don't have to buy it.
Since Microsoft wants to turn goods into services, then go all the way and fucking do it.
Let me install the game for free (DD only, of course) and charge me to play.
I would be totally ok with all the drm and always connected bullcrap MS wants to shove down our throat if that was the case.
Free games, 1$ for each hour of actual gameplay.
As long as i don't have to buy it.
Since Microsoft wants to turn goods into services, then go all the way and fucking do it.
Let me install the game for free (DD only, of course) and charge me to play.
I would be totally ok with all the drm and always connected bullcrap MS wants to shove down our throat if that was the case.
Free games, 1$ for each hour of actual gameplay.
BruiserBear
Banned
Steam allows you to play games offline entirely, for an unlimited of time. Valve have promised that in the event that they are going out of business they will unlock any DRM from the games you own. Steam has insane sale prices all the time, and if you want to pretend that all of that amounts to minor differences you need your head checked.
But keep getting upset at the downvotes. How dare those people!
Excellent article. Sums up how I feel pretty well.
XBone is not the only option for gaming on your television. Buy a Steambox? Buy a PS4?
AdventureRacing
Member
It's not an interesting question at all, the answer is no they shouldn't do that (and i hate what MS is doing). Even if they wanted to take a stand against MS they should do it by writing articles supporting their position, not a blackout. They are journalists after all.
BruiserBear
Banned
That misses the point entirely.
dollartaco
Member
(I don't think "ITS JUST LIKE STEAM" is a valid argument either fyi, I just thought this was funny)
It's a distribution platform. You know what I meant. I could call my dick a platform and that doesn't make it a closed, one-solution system.