I'm not sure if those other accusations are on the same level as suspecting doping.
Serena Williams: The Most Dominant Female Tennis Player Ever?
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freenudemacusers
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soundahfekz
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I think he's just covering where the topic is going to inevitably go, as topics about black females usually do.
Werewolf
I'm pretty sure Sara Errani isn't on anything.
I've never seen Serena NOT be muscular. But keep on diminishing her accomplishments without proof.
djplaeskool
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Ah, ok if that's the case. (don't have much experience with this topic)
entremet
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You do know that PEDs don't necessarily make you look like a body builder. Lance Armstrong was juiced to the gills and he looked like a cyclist, not a body builder.
soundahfekz
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nah bro
you start buffing up from a shot on contact like shredder in that TMNT movie
freenudemacusers
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lance was framed
Angelus Errare
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The problem is people are using it to diminish her accomplishments with ad homimem suggestions that the only reason she's winning is because her muscles and if we take that away she's nothing.
How about instead always having to cut down the dominate player we question why more female tennis players aren't copying her work out regiment?
It's never good enough that this person just works out and is very good at the sport making her the dominate player, no that's way too simple there has to be more to it. Clearly there has to be drug use or something. What proof is there of such? Other than the "herp derp she looks like it bro!" *yawn*
Bingo
That too
freenudemacusers
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well as someone mentioned, serena hid from testing officials. so, probably.
Realistically its probably widespread in every sport, not all of them have had a major scandal yet as seen in Baseball, Track, Cycling, etc. Having said that, even if she is on something then its likely that many others are as well. PED accusations against her are at least somewhat believable to be honest.
As for her being the most dominant, hard to say. It's not quite as easy to compare as it is with something like basketball, given how much the rackets have changed and improved over the years. She is amazingly gifted both in talent and physical ability, but I'm still inclined to give the edge to women like Graf and Navratilova. They were certainly more skillful players at least. Maybe if she played more consistently on the tour, but popping in for a major and barely playing the rest of the year is not really the image I have a dominant athlete.
entremet
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Guys, just accept that all athletes have done something in the last 50 years. Anyone who doesn't has their head in the sand. Same with the Olympics. The cat has been out of the bag ages ago.
The tests are all a joke. Most high profile athletes have been found guilty due to paper trails and testimony than test results. That tells you about the efficacy of testing.
The tests are all a joke. Most high profile athletes have been found guilty due to paper trails and testimony than test results. That tells you about the efficacy of testing.
Just like Peyton Manning will always be lesser than Eli. The older sibling always has to blaze the trail and then get passed.
vas_a_morir
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Well, you'd have to agree it's atypical.
I have no reason to believe she's on roids, but it wouldn't shock me.
lol, yeah right. You saw what happened to the Colts the year he was hurt. Denver was damn close to winning a Super Bowl last year.
Unspeakable Evil
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Probably. Serena's reign has been amazing.
She might also take the "Most Unlikable Personality" trophy.
Yeah, both of this.
Great player... too bad she's completely unlikeable.
oh so if everybody uses it then it's a level playing field and Serena is still fucking dominant anyway
vas_a_morir
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Although some will imply you are sexist, I gotta say... these photos should at least make one suspicious.
The Abominable Snowman
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i like her.
Yeah... because a photo taken in 2005 should totally be representative of the same person in 2012. No workout regime change or nothing.
And to think if it wasn't for a twisted ankle and back spasms at the Australian Open she would have the golden slam.
Also no surprise at the weak steroid accusations.
It's a haters job to hate.
The Bookerman
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Best female tennis player in history.
And it ain't over.
That's one hell of a manbeast.
It's such a shame that she had a dark period between end of 2003 to about pre-USO 2008 where she only one 2 grand slams and of course her injury in 2010-2011. Who knows how many grand slams she would have by now if she had kept her momentum from 2002-2003? But it's pointless to wonder, if she didn't have that dark period she might not be playing the best tennis of her life today.
She'd probably be gassed at 30 like your standard tennis player if things had gone like that. I think the number of slams would've been similar if not better.
Serena hid in her panic room when a doping tester came to her house for an unscheduled test. The tester arrived at a timepoint where Serena had declared that she would be available for testing. The punishment: nothing
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2011/11/did-she-ultimately-submit-to-test.html
Tennis has an abysmal anti-doping program with almost no out of competition (OOC) tests (only way to catch cheaters) http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2012/01/epic-fail-out-of-competition-testing-in.html
And serena didn't have a single OOC test for three (3!!) years from 2009 which is so ridiculous it's almost unbelieveable!
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2012/03/take-shelter.html
Summary: she's been given carte blanche by the ITF to take whatever PED she wants to
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2011/11/did-she-ultimately-submit-to-test.html
Tennis has an abysmal anti-doping program with almost no out of competition (OOC) tests (only way to catch cheaters) http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2012/01/epic-fail-out-of-competition-testing-in.html
And serena didn't have a single OOC test for three (3!!) years from 2009 which is so ridiculous it's almost unbelieveable!
http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.no/2012/03/take-shelter.html
Summary: she's been given carte blanche by the ITF to take whatever PED she wants to
vas_a_morir
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2005? Oh man, now I'm REALLY convinced. I thought that photo was from like 2000 and I still thought she was roiding.
If we were to not include Vergeer, whose career statistics are just legendary, I think Graf was/is better than Serena. The level of competition just seemed greater back. Plus Graf did the year Grand Slam and won the olympics in the same year.
Serena is the dominant force of this generation for sure though and definitely amongst the greatest ever.
Serena is the dominant force of this generation for sure though and definitely amongst the greatest ever.
John Dunbar
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It says she called 911 at 6am because there was an intruder. It's still dark at 6am, and what kind of random drug tester shows up at 6am prowling around the grounds of a private mansion. Story seems likely to me.
She has to register one hour a day in which she is available for random testing, so she chose the timepoint herself. A guy ringing her doorbell (or gate depending on the size of her house) and identifying himself is not an intruder
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