Serena Williams: The Most Dominant Female Tennis Player Ever?
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Well apparently to the other guy it isn't random at all even though it was a random drug test, so I have no idea.
The players Are requirdd to report a timeperiod and place where they are available for testing. Whether a tester actually shows up or not, is the random part.
You would think that she would've given a sample after being told by the police who "the intruder" was, but it seems like she didn't
This isn't a just an issue with serena, but with all of tennis
Rhomega Beta
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And female. I like that combination.
soundahfekz
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this is a pretty shitty comment on all levels
Future PhaZe
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I'd honestly marry her.
If only all manbeasts looked like that I'd be a zoologist.
Black people have an extra bone in their feet.
If you want to throw out any accusations about HGH or other performance enhancing substances and look solely at career records, by what measure is Serena the most dominant? She's 5th all time in career winning % so you're just disregarding 4 other women who were more dominant than her on winning % alone. Nobody seems to address this.
GTP_Daverytimes
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ones career is long over, the other is far from over.
Canadian Psycho
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No, she's a doper. She once hid in her so-called panic room when someone rang at her door to collect a sample. You don't peak at age 31 in tennis. Right now, the sport seems to be where baseball was at in the late 1990s: "superhuman" performances galore and rewriting history.
Here muscles are nowhere near the size of Williams. Her muscles look like a womans, when that woman is in shape. She may also be on something, but it's not as obvious as Williams.
You can't build muscles the size of Williams without taking steroids as a female. It's biology. That simple. Her biceps are larger than guys who actively try and build muscle while taking tons of supplements. That is not natural for a woman.
If you work out, and are involved with any type of serious mass gaining. You understand what she has is not possible without the help of PEDS for a woman. Tennis also has a pretty much non-existant, horrible testing program. It's so obvious she is on something, that it blows me away people can't see it.
You can also see how much larger her muscles have become over the years.
You can also see, at one point, she was on HGH. Maybe just to rehab injuries. Man or woman, when you take HGH for an extended period of time, your stomach looks like this.
This girl here:
Worked out just as hard as Williams, but was caught on steroids bringing some of her hormone levels higher than a mans. Her arms are significantly smaller than the "natural" williams.
Graf retired at 30 with over 300 more wins than Williams has now at 31. She could have stuck around a few more years to pad her numbers even more but what was the point after she accomplished everything.
curlyfriski
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Depends on the racquet they're using. If they were both playing with modern tech, Serena would wipe the floor with them. With wooden racquets or some of the less advanced modern tennis racquets, I think the past greats would have the upper hand. The only exception to this is Seles, who I think had the athleticism to keep up with Serena.
Evolution_1ne
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that's about it
Tennis has no real drug enforcement program.
GTP_Daverytimes
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And you are purposefully ignoring everything Serena went through, can you imagine were she would be today. Also maybe am wrong but Serenas race has to be one of the deciding factors in people choosing to not recognize her as a great athlete (and one of the best ever in her sport).
Here muscles are nowhere near the size of Williams. Her muscles look like a womans, when that woman is in shape. She may also be on something, but it's not as obvious as Williams.
You can't build muscles the size of Williams without taking steroids as a female. It's biology. That simple. Her biceps are larger than guys who actively try and build muscle while taking tons of supplements. That is not natural for a woman.
If you work out, and are involved with any type of serious mass gaining. You understand what she has is not possible without the help of PEDS for a woman. Tennis also has a pretty much non-existant, horrible testing program. It's so obvious she is on something, that it blows me away people can't see it.
You can also see how much larger her muscles have become over the years.
You can also see, at one point, she was on HGH. Maybe just to rehab injuries. Man or woman, when you take HGH for an extended period of time, your stomach looks like this.
This girl here:
Worked out just as hard as Williams, but was caught on steroids bringing some of her hormone levels higher than a mans. Her arms are significantly smaller than the "natural" williams.
You're using in-action shots of Serena, of course her muscles look exaggerated there.
This is a candid picture of her posing for another photographer:
Also, Samantha's muscles are just as big:
Serena's muscles appear bigger because she maintains a pretty fatty diet:
Samantha's diet is obviously a lot leaner. She's built like a man compared to Serena. ALL muscle, no shape.
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Also, Serena doesn't look nearly as big when you stand her next to other players:
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Lol at people hating on Serena's muscles.
comparing her to body builders? cmon GAF, she's not really that big.
and GAF worships still photo's too fuckin much, srsly.
comparing her to body builders? cmon GAF, she's not really that big.
and GAF worships still photo's too fuckin much, srsly.
Yeah no other player has ever had injuries.
I haven't disregarded her as a great player and I think she's top 5, but "most dominant"? I've already mentioned there are women ahead of her in both wins and winning percentage. If that's not "more dominant " than what is? The stats don't back her up.
Of women I've seen play at or near their prime Graf was #1 and Navratalova #2. Margaret Court and Chris Evert were a bit before my time so I can't comment other than their amazing records.
Forgot about Seles. She was like Nadal to Federer for Graf. Had she not been stabbed Seles was right there too.
ThisWreckage
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It's easy to be dominate when the rest of the field is utter dross.
Devil Theory
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Here muscles are nowhere near the size of Williams. Her muscles look like a womans, when that woman is in shape. She may also be on something, but it's not as obvious as Williams.
You can't build muscles the size of Williams without taking steroids as a female. It's biology. That simple. Her biceps are larger than guys who actively try and build muscle while taking tons of supplements. That is not natural for a woman.
If you work out, and are involved with any type of serious mass gaining. You understand what she has is not possible without the help of PEDS for a woman. Tennis also has a pretty much non-existant, horrible testing program. It's so obvious she is on something, that it blows me away people can't see it.
You can also see how much larger her muscles have become over the years.
You can also see, at one point, she was on HGH. Maybe just to rehab injuries. Man or woman, when you take HGH for an extended period of time, your stomach looks like this.
This girl here:
Worked out just as hard as Williams, but was caught on steroids bringing some of her hormone levels higher than a mans. Her arms are significantly smaller than the "natural" williams.
Jesus this is a terrible and massively inaccurate post.
I also agree with an above poster who mentioned that her race being part of why some people attempt to undermine her actual abilities.
ThisWreckage
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She's definitely on steroids. It's just like how everyone knows Lebron is on HGH but he's the face of the league so no one is going to do anything about it. Most athletes are on some sort of performance enhancing drug. Even in cycling. Cycling for god's sake.
I'm not going to throw any accusations around other than to say that it's likely a large percentage of pro tennis players are juiced, there is just too much money at stake and it's too easy to get away with for it not to be the case. The fact that many of these women look like they belong on the east German olympic team(hell a lot of them are bigger than the east Germans were back then) doesn't help suspicions at all.
All the comparisons to other pro athletes and especially to female bodybuilders actually hurt the argument more than they help, if like me you believe that most of the former and all of the latter are heavily enhanced.. Then you bring up listed weights as if they mean anything at all. Especially comparing Serena to Venus when Venus is 4 inches taller.
curlyfriski
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Cycling has always had widespread doping. I don't think you understand how doping works. It doesn't just give you huge muscles.
ha ha so true. But some people actually take courses on revising history and actual facts.
Those girls have been dominating since they were per-teens, They make women's tennis watchable. It used to be a bunch of posh rich kids that had everything handed to them and now when a real athlete steps on the scene people lose their minds.
Watch the Dementiva vs Serena semi finals match I can't remember what year may have been Wimbledon 2009. The whole crowd would roar for Dementieva every time she would core a point - and Serena was a point away from losing that game at about 3 different times and each time she beat her back and each time the crowd would shit themselves a little until Serena finally came back and won. Dementiva was actually one of the better ones too (better in the sense that she is actually a competitor; like seriously who gave Safina a tennis racket?).
Serena doesn't just beat them with power and Mad Skill(tm) she beats them with mental fortitude. I don't think that biased crowd even realized what they had witnessed besides feelings of their own massive disappointment lol.
The williams sisters are like Bane. They didn't know privilege until they were already fukin women and by then they were blinded by it.
The day the Williams sisters retire is the day women's tennis returns to handball status and don't say Graf won more titles in 1876, come with something new.
<insert Serena at the London Olympics double gold for USA c-walk.gif here> Sharapooova who?
entremet
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The tests are a joke.
Goro Majima
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I'd like to see Serena compete with the men just to see how far she'd get.
Agree with every word.
I think the ultimate legacy the Williams Sisters will leave when they retire is making the Woman's game a LOT more athletic than it used to be.
And it still has a long way to go. Navatrilova rants about this every now and then: too many girls concerned with being pretty instead of working out and building the strength they need to play a big game.
Hey _ _ _ _ must be massive.
WascallyWabbit
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I can't say I was mad, but I don't think it was appropriate given that she was representing the entire country in the Olympics
Even if you believe she and everybody else is on ped's the point was Serena is not a beast of a women that is an anomaly MooseKing is suggesting. Pro bodybuilders actually look like pro bodybuilders, Serena and other tennis players will never look like them.
Oh for cryin out loud, nothing wrong with the C Walk.
She'd be knocked out in the early rounds.
I mean, she was muscular then she was HOLY SHIT muscular. And it came right after the fight with the injuries started. She probably took them to repair/heal and then stopped. I don't mind it though.
The real fact is that the women's tennis field has been suuuuuper weak the last three-ish years. All the come-ups have been duds, Henin retired (one of the few that could blast the ball right along with Serena), and the women players who can handle Serena physically just aren't there with the Tennis IQ.
The other day Mary Carillo said "its Serena, a little drop off, then sharapova, and then a rather large drop off, then the rest of the field." Or something similar to that. I agree. Its been like that for a while. Serena is great, but lets not forget she used to lose a bit in the early to mid 2000s when competition was stiffer.
Edit: Serena used to train with Andy, and said she couldnt return most of his serves. I don't think shed get past the third round. Sets are longer, her strength is the norm in the men's game, and the tennis IQ is generally higher than the women's game.
She styled on Russia like the US of old. It would have been wrong not to C-walk after that 1969 beatdown.
'Merica.
RedAssedApe
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so whose more likely to be roiding. rafa or serena? 
TalesOfWin
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of course, no american athlete could possibly ever cheat.
Well she is AN anomaly, just not the only one.
Of course tennis players are not going to look like pro bodybuilders, it is a completely different training goal, no athlete wants body fat that low, it simply isn't functional. But cyclists don't look like bodybuilders either, even though they are just as doped.
freenudemacusers
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I wouldn't go that far. But there is a difference between a real american like lance and the rest of them.
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