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Remember when Nintendo announced there was going to be a new 3D Mario game at E3?

Remember the game you imagined when they said that?

Compare the game you had in your head to this one.

Notice how the one you imagined was a continuation of Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy with a great new Gamepad-centric twist and stunning HD graphics?

Notice how the one we're actually getting is Super Mario 3D Land HD?

AND THIS IS WHY.

Damn man. Are you disappointed by all game reveals? I mean shit. Video games haven't caught up with my 8 year old imagination, let alone my current imagination. That shit would be rough.

I was hypnotized by the 4p co-op, but I ultimately thought it looked good for a console game.

Graphics looked great, but other than Mario Kart (surprisingly), where were the cool gameplay ideas? Everything looked exactly the same as the previous games in their respective series.

The fuck? Did you not see 4p 3D Mario? I'm sure they'll do some interesting shit with it considering no game in the series has had it.

 

[Haunted]

X looks to be the most graphically impressive to me.

I think there's only so much you can do with the cartoonish art styles of most Nintendo franchises, we're totally hitting diminishing returns for Mario, Smash Brothers and Donkey Kong compared to their Wii iterations running on Dolphin.

 

[Fritz]

I don't want to be fatuous but I get the feeling we're on a level where horsepower doesn't really weigh in in terms of graphic. To me every title this e3 looked gorgeous so far. I reckon it will be all about physics and scale and such.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

He specifically mentioned the established IPs.
Platinum gonna Platinum.

I don't remember being able to go cross county in a transforming battle mech in Xenoblade

or any open world JRPG

And that's just what they've shown us. We still have no details whatsoever on X

Even though Bayo2 will basically be Bayo1 there will be new features added which weve already been able to see evidence of from the off screen footage



honestly I just wanted an excuse to post this gif

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

I don't remember being able to go cross county in a transforming battle mech in Xenoblade

or any open world JRPG

And that's just what they've shown us. We still have no details whatsoever on X

Even though Bayo2 will basically be Bayo1 there will be new features added which weve already been able to see evidence of from the off screen footage

So you picked 2 games, the 2 least cared about games on Nintendo's conference. Yes, GAF never shuts up about X, but nobody else in the gaming world is talking about it.

The games that people were frothing at the mouth for (3D Mario, Retro's new game, Smash Bros) were all more of the same.

3D Mario turned out being 4-player 3D Land.

Retro's game ended up being what essentially looks like HD DKCR

Smash Bros looks like they ported Brawl to an HD machine and called it a day.

I'm not saying these games look BAD, just that they look far too similar to their predecessors. You're not an idiot if you're excited for them, but you're an idiot if you can't see why so many people are disappointed.

 

[Shokio]

(Screen-cap I took from the stream, we need some high-quality direct-feed shots)

I think it's safe to say Wii U is clearly a step above last gen. Yes it's not as good-looking as PS4/XB1 (duh, stronger hardware) but to say it's on-par with current-gen.......naw. Not even slightly.

 

[airmangataosenai]

He specifically mentioned the established IPs.
Platinum gonna Platinum.

That and this is the game's third E3 appearance. It's kind of easy to forget about it after a while.

And did someone seriously compare White Knight Chronicles to X? People were trying to say I was being unfair? At least make a fair comparison, that game was really early in the generation. It's hard to find a perfect comparison with the themes to be sure, but that is ridiculous.

 

[Darryl]

I don't want to be fatuous but I get the feeling we're on a level where horsepower doesn't really weigh in in terms of graphic. To me every title this e3 looked gorgeous so far. I reckon it will be all about physics and scale and such.

i think it'll be budget size and talent personally

 

[Evolution_1ne]

I think it's safe to say Wii U is clearly a step above last gen. Yes it's not as good-looking as PS4/XB1 (duh, stronger hardware) but to say it's on-par with current-gen.......naw. Not even slightly.

you are aware NONE of the Wii U shots look better then the corresponding current gen shots right....you do know that, or is their some from of sarcasm that I'm missing

 

[Ezalc]

It's the Nintendo black magic.

 

[DC R1D3R]

It's pleasing to understand bitches.

 

[Ryoku]

you are aware NONE of the Wii U shots look better then the corresponding current gen shots right....you do know that, or is their some from of sarcasm that I'm missing

Almost all of those Wii U games are running at 60FPS, and some are 1080p.

No info on X, or resolution on Bayonetta 2.

 

[encephalon]

I would be completely content with PS3. Perhaps even Wii, to some extent.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think it's safe to say Wii U is clearly a step above last gen. Yes it's not as good-looking as PS4/XB1 (duh, stronger hardware) but to say it's on-par with current-gen.......naw. Not even slightly.

Way to post some ridiculous screen comparisons.

How about posting something from Uncharted, God of War, Halo 4, Red Dead Redemption, or Killzone to compare?

Wii U is absolutely on par with current gen, and I have not seen a single game that looks a step above the best looking games we already have.

 

[dark10x]

Looks pretty comparable to the worst looking ps4 and Xbox One titles.

I'd argue otherwise. Most of those games look like average to above average PS3/360 titles.

The Monolith game is the only one that looks genuinely impressive and, even then, really no more so than something you'd see on last gen platforms.

Still, unlike the Wii, the Wii U can actually deliver relatively clean image quality and produce attractive visuals. It doesn't need to be cutting edge to look nice. The original Wii simply didn't produce attractive visuals on modern display panels.

I think it's safe to say Wii U is clearly a step above last gen.

In all seriousness, what makes you say that?

 

[Shokio]

Way to post some ridiculous screen comparisons.

How about posting something from Uncharted, God of War, Halo 4, Red Dead Redemption, or Killzone to compare?

Wii U is absolutely on par with current gen, and I have not seen a single game that looks a step above the best looking games we already have.

What on the Wii U do I have to compare to Uncharted, Halo, and Killzone? You're not thinking, as of right now there are no exclusive first or 3rd person shooters. Yea I could use Red Dead and compare to X I suppose.......but X obviously looks better. If you want, I can do a Knack vs. Mario 3D World comparison? We can compare to next-gen if we want to.

 

[Burai]

Damn man. Are you disappointed by all game reveals? I mean shit. Video games haven't caught up with my 8 year old imagination, let alone my current imagination. That shit would be rough.

I was hypnotized by the 4p co-op, but I ultimately thought it looked good for a console game.

So you're honestly saying that when Nintendo announced 3D Mario was coming to the Wii U, this was the game you envisaged?

 

[key]

Way to post some ridiculous screen comparisons.

How about posting something from Uncharted, God of War, Halo 4, Red Dead Redemption, or Killzone to compare?

Wii U is absolutely on par with current gen, and I have not seen a single game that looks a step above the best looking games we already have.

That wouldn't really make much sense, since there's no Wii U games that lend themselves to comparison with Uncharted, God of War, or Halo 4.

 

[key]

So you're honestly saying that when Nintendo announced 3D Mario was coming to the Wii U, this was the game you envisaged?

I can't speak for him, but personally I didn't know what to expect without any teaser images or concept art. What we got is really clean and vibrant looking, and it looks fun to play.

Oops, sorry for double post.

 

[Into]

Looks like late PS3/360 games, and that is fine.

Mario Kart 8 is just as impressive as Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

Its hard to add more detail into Mario and Mario Kart just because of the art style, they look about as good as they possibly can unless they change the entire style, which nobody really wants.

A non cel shading Zelda or a Metroid game will have to be the titles that show us what the Wii U can really do in terms of detail and really pushing the system

So far everything looks good enough on the Wii U, nothing looks bad, but nothing looks eye popping spectacular either.

 

[Sheroking]

At least with X and Mario Kart, which I think compare favorably to any game of their type on the PS360, I actually think my expectations were exceeded.

There are no ridiculously expensive corrodor action games, so it's tough to look at Uncharted 2 and say "there's nothing like that". Also, I'm noticing a much cleaner, much more fluid look to these games - even if they are running on older engines.

Looks like late PS3/360 games, and that is fine.

Mario Kart 8 is just as impressive as Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

Mario Kart 8 shits all over Sonic All Stars from a visual stand-point.

 

[dark10x]

What on the Wii U do I have to compare to Uncharted, Halo, and Killzone? You're not thinking, as of right now there are no exclusive first or 3rd person shooters. Yea I could use Red Dead and compare to X I suppose.......but X obviously looks better. If you want, I can do a Knack vs. Mario 3D World comparison? We can compare to next-gen if we want to.

Come on, though, you're simply comparing art styles not technical prowess. You like the look of the Nintendo stuff better but that does not suggest that it is technically superior.

That wouldn't really make much sense, since there's no Wii U games that lend themselves to comparison with Uncharted, God of War, or Halo 4.

Unfortunately, all of the technically impressive PS3/360 games fall into genres which are not represented on Wii U at the moment.

 

[DC R1D3R]

Looks like I'll be purchasing all three next-gen consoles

Spoiler

again.

 

[Into]

At least with X and Mario Kart, which I think compare favorably to any game of their type on the PS360, I actually think my expectations were exceeded.

There are no ridiculously expensive corrodor action games, so it's tough to look at Uncharted 2 and say "there's nothing like that". Also, I'm noticing a much cleaner, much more fluid look to these games - even if they are running on older engines.



Mario Kart 8 shits all over Sonic All Stars from a visual stand-point.

Disagree, they look about the same, neither shits on either.

 

[Burai]

I can't speak for him, but personally I didn't know what to expect without any teaser images or concept art. What we got is really clean and vibrant looking, and it looks fun to play.

Oops, sorry for double post.

There's no disputing that it looks fun because 3D Land was fun. We know it'll be fun. That's not the point I'm making.

I'll put the question to you instead. When Nintendo announced in that ND at the turn of the year that we'd be getting a 3D Mario at E3, what was the first thought that came into your head of how that might manifest itself?

 

[Sheroking]

Disagree, they look about the same, neither shits on either.

I'm really resisting the urge to be a prick and say "see an eye doctor", but it's really not even close.

 

[Shokio]

So you're honestly saying that when Nintendo announced 3D Mario was coming to the Wii U, this was the game you envisaged?

3D Mario was disappointed. I want a typical adventure-style game. The 3D concept is great but only for a handheld, should've went a different route for a console Mario.

 

[Into]

I'm really resisting the urge to be a prick and say "see an eye doctor", but it's really not even close.

Oh its okay, Ive visited my doctor Susan about 2 months ago, vision is still intact and good.

And yes it is close, nothing in Mario Kart 8 "shits" on Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

We will just agree to disagree

 

[key]

Unfortunately, all of the technically impressive PS3/360 games fall into genres which are not represented on Wii U at the moment.

This is true. Unfortunately, I don't see the Wii U getting any exclusive AAA shooters anytime soon. I suppose you could compare God of War and Bayonetta 2.

 

[Always-honest]

Looks pretty comparable to the worst looking ps4 and Xbox One titles.

Well, that's not true. Not because i want to defend it or anything but i'd like people to be honest. I you're honest, than you seriously have untrained eyes.
Not that i can really hold that against you.. Unless you are trolling. That would be silly. Come on son.

I'm pretty happy with what i've seen this far. I do wish the wiiU was more powerful. But things look good considering what hey have to work with.
I think the new Mario game looks pretty much perfect from a art direction point of view. And very clean at 1080p (i think). Gameplay looks a bit uninsprired from the little segment we've seen.

ariokart looked pretty good although some parts of it looked a bit bland. Same for Smash Bros.

Deus Ex is now the best version. They also added AA in that game. So there is enough to make games look good. Ofcourse it will never be ps4 levels of fidelity. And that's a shame.

But a huuuuuge step up from the fugly mess that was Wii on a HD tv.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

I don't think it's a massive leap forward by any means from the "current gen" consoles. But it's definitely a consistency leap, seems like Nintendo really nailed the fluidity and framerate of the WiiU titles. Tit for tat "next gen"? I'm going to say no, but I'm also Sony biased, and Second Son looks rreeeeeaaaaalllly good in my opinion, so take my views lightly.

 

[Rarity]

I certainly don't hate it. W101 looks like candy and I mean that in the best sense.

 

[key]

I'll put the question to you instead. When Nintendo announced in that ND at the turn of the year that we'd be getting a 3D Mario at E3, what was the first thought that came into your head of how that might manifest itself?

Like I said, I didn't really have any expectations, since we weren't told anything about the game other than the fact it existed.

I'm probably not the best person to help you make your point though, since I really like the look and style of 3D World.

 

[superchunk]

I feel great about the looks. Can't wait to see it in person.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Witcher 3 for the closes comparison

FFXV is actually one of the worst looking next gen games because its a PS3 upport. The Division looks signficantly better along with Metal Gear Solid 5.

WTF am I reading?

 

[Pittree]

FF XV looks better than X...

On cutscenes Hell Yeah!
On Gameplay IDK. To be honest differences so far seem negligible.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Looks like late PS3/360 games, and that is fine.

Mario Kart 8 is just as impressive as Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

Its hard to add more detail into Mario and Mario Kart just because of the art style, they look about as good as they possibly can unless they change the entire style, which nobody really wants.

A non cel shading Zelda or a Metroid game will have to be the titles that show us what the Wii U can really do in terms of detail and really pushing the system

So far everything looks good enough on the Wii U, nothing looks bad, but nothing looks eye popping spectacular either.

Have you played SRT? Its not even close that game is king of bullshot while not even being a bullshot No to note the image quality is worse than the first sonic racing and its running in 30 fps. Why dont you post some gameplay. Dont worry Ill wait.

WTF am I reading?

I said the same thing in my mind. And you know we rarely agree so this dude has got to be wrong if we agree lol.

 

[Thoraxes]

I think everything looks wonderful.

I'm definitely pleased. It's kinda funny too, i'm gonna be reliving the same strategy I did during this past gen.

Wii U/PS4/PC again. I get the best of all worlds.

 

[dark10x]

Mario Kart 8 shits all over Sonic All Stars from a visual stand-point.

Uhhhh...what? Are we looking at the same games?

Mario Kart 8 looks like this...

You think THAT shits all over this? I mean, I could see preferring one over the other but suggesting that MK8 looks dramatically better than this seems disingenuous.

Its not even close that game is king of bullshot while not even being a bullshot No to note the image quality is worse than the first sonic racing and its running in 30 fps.

Oh, I posted some direct feed shots straight from the PS3 version for you there. Image quality looks better than MK8, at least.

Of course, I mostly played it on the PC where you actually COULD get "bullshot" image quality.

 

[EDarkness]

Oh its okay, Ive visited my doctor Susan about 2 months ago, vision is still intact and good.

And yes it is close, nothing in Mario Kart 8 "shits" on Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed

We will just agree to disagree

Hmmm...I don't know. I have Sonic Racing and Mario Kart 8 just seems to be a league above it. Higher framerate, better effects, etc. I know we're talking about opinions, but in my opinion they're not even close.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Also, of everything Nintendo showed, I'm actually (dare I say it) not impressed with Mario Kart 8, I like what they do with color, but after playing many hours of Wipeout, I'm just jaded.

Bayonetta 2 is going to be huge, and I really dug the look and feel of X. Takes me back to my Xenosaga days

 

[soulassssns]

I'm seriously impressed with Mario Kart 8.

 

[RockmanWhore]

As far as I'm concerned, we're very far from last gen when PS360 games looked great and Wii games looked awful. Wii U games look really fine, I'm actually worried about the mainstream public perception of the PS4 and Xbox One, they might thing that the game look just as good as PS360 and Wii U games and this the investment is not worth it. Well, they've mostly shown bullshit CG trailers on the conferences, so I'll wait until I see more gameplay footage from the showfloor, I've been blown away by a few games so far (Killzone, Infamous, that Ubisoft TPS/"RPG")

 

[Into]

Have you played SRT? Its not even close that game is king of bullshot while not even being a bullshot No to note the image quality is worse than the first sonic racing and its running in 30 fps. Why dont you post some gameplay. Dont worry Ill wait.


I said the same thing in my mind. And you know we rarely agree so this dude has got to be wrong if we agree lol.

So if you 2 agree together, then anyone who opposes you is wrong? Because that is what you are saying, and that is some flawed logic right there. And yes i am playing SRT right now, that and Far Cry 3

You can find plenty of gameplay of the game on www.YouTube.com, just type in Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed in the search engine.

 

[Burai]

Like I said, I didn't really have any expectations, since we weren't told anything about the game other than the fact it existed.

I'm probably not the best person to help you make your point though, since I really like the look and style of 3D World.

So when Nintendo said "New 3D Mario", your mind was just an absolutely blank? You just read/heard that and absolutely nothing came into your head at all? Nothing? Not memories of old 3D Mario games, not even memories of 3D Land? Just a head full of static?

 

[RockmanWhore]

sorry double post

 

[dark10x]

Also, of everything Nintendo showed, I'm actually (dare I say it) not impressed with Mario Kart 8, I like what they do with color, but after playing many hours of Wipeout, I'm just jaded.

Bayonetta 2 is going to be huge, and I really dug the look and feel of X. Takes me back to my Xenosaga days

Yeah, no doubt. While they are very different games, Wipeout HD looks dramatically more impressive than MK8 while operating at a higher resolution.

 

[Jay Sosa]

Not at all, no.

When I first heard that FINALLY nintendo will step into the HD world I was excited. But not like this..not like this.

 

[TDLink]

I posted these impressions in the other, similar, thread: (My short answer is Yes)

Mario 3D Land - Great, I can't imagine more powerful hardware really adding anything more to this. They are going for a specific style and the Wii U seems to be executing that style flawlessly. It looks very smooth.

Mario Kart 8 - Amazing, In screens there are some apparent problems but in motion the game easily looks comparable to much of the stuff we saw on the other consoles this weekend. Again, they are going for a specific (non-realistic) style here, which may be throwing some people off when they don't think this game looks that good.

X - Unbelievable, This game still has a year+ of development to go but it already is the best looking game on the system. It easily rivals the stuff on the other two, the .gifs posted earlier in this thread prove that much (or the actual trailer in HD). Some stuff like the town and mechs in some shots still seem rough but considering how perfect they got the environment and creatures I am sure the more artificial stuff will be brought up to snuff soon enough. In some cases it already has. The sense of scale is ridiculous.

Wind Waker HD - Okay, it looks better than I expected based on the screenshots in January but it could still be better. I do feel it is an improvement over the original though much in the same way OOT 3D improved on the original.

Bayonetta 2 - Great, Go look at the 60 FPS trailer. This game looks really good, especially considering the amount of crap going on on screen at once.

Wonderful 101 - Great, Once again, Platinum knows what they are doing with this system. The game is going for a specific style and nailing it. It is very sleek.

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze - Amazing, Retro knows how to make art design play to their strengths. They have done it before and they are doing it again. Go watch the direct feed trailer if you felt underwhelmed by the Direct footage. Even in the off-screen gameplay videos from the show floor it is easy to tell this game is a looker.

Pikmin 3 - Mediocre, It has improved since they first showed it but it is easy to see that this started life as a Wii game. I think they probably did the best they could without scrapping all of their assets and starting over. The game definitely could have been on a system like 360 though.

Smash Bros - Good, It is looking pretty good and they very clearly said multiple times that the game is still early in development and the look isn't final. Overall I'm not concerned. It already looks very smooth (and better than PSABR, the closest thing you can compare it to). I am confident with the year+ of extra time that the game will look even better.

Overall a very good showing for Nintendo's first real jump into HD. I think a lot of people are simply saying the graphics are bad or underwhelming because they aren't going for realism (in most cases). Some people are also underestimating the consistent 60 FPS games on this system are getting, which is nothing to balk at.

 

[SolarPowered]

MK8 and SM3DW look amazing in my eyes.