PhoenixDark
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Shouldn't she be in the house?
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MARIAH CAREY to play southern slave Hattie Pearl in movie "The Butler" (pic inside)
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Exactly.
Also I seriously doubt they couldn't find a qualified black actress for the role. Nia Long? Taraji Henson? Sanaa Lathan?
No... you had to get Mariah Carey, who only became black after she married Nick Cannon.
This is why the one drop rule sucks.
Well, really Mariah was reveling in her blackness for years before she met Nick Cannon.
She's always had somewhat urban leanings, even in her early Pop years.
Yeah, she did that to sell records. She was fence sitting to maximize her racial background for commercial gain. So in her videos she was always with white dudes. Before Nick Cannon, I only saw her dating/marrying white guys.
Then after she marries Nick Cannon, she's now pro-black, and only black. I saw her on George Lopez recently saying that she only considers herself a black woman, and that she didn't want to know what her other ethnicies were because "being just black is hard enough".
I wanted to reach through the television and smack her fake ass.
Messofanego
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Are we suddenly forgetting World's Greatest Dad?
Probably his best performance ever.
A lot of Mariah's closest friends and associates are black, though. And it's been that way for years.
I mean, she practically has the key to Jermaine Dupri's house.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
this formality use to be broken all the time.
Not all "mixed" slaves where purely put into house work, a lot of them worked the field with the rest. Vice versa for dark skins too.
it didn't matter, they were still Black n property
radios shipping overview
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Is she going for her EGOT?
What kind of chicanery is this? Oo
No, it doesn't. There were white looking slaves working in the fields too.
GungHo
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Was this before or after Tommy Mottola passed her around?
Tommy was her manager during her debut. So after, obviously.
I don't think that's true.
If they were half black, and had brown skin, sure. However, Mariah Carey looks like a white woman. Slave masters wouldn't have a female slave who looks white working out in the fields unless they were hard up on labor. Field slaves performed brutal and hard work. If they messed up, they were beaten and abused. A white looking female slave being beaten and treated like a black slave would have been bad for optics. Most overseers have no problem whipping a black female, but a white female would mess with their heads.
Women looking like Carey would either be maids, concubines, or direct servants of the master's children. Some were even adopted into the families.
Given the southern culture of white womanhood and all that bullshit, a field slave looking like Mariah Carey is HIGHLY unlikely.
... But she's always identified as black. Even at the beginning of her career she had interviews in Ebony or on Oprah where she discussed her racial background, and identified as black. It is certainly true that her management took advantage of her racially ambiguous looks and generally steered clear of music that was too, well, "urban" for lack of a better euphemism, but it's worth noting that when she got to do the sort of record she wanted, she went for much more heavily urban music and her sales suffered immensely for it. She lost almost half the sales her previous album garnered. And this is something she's stuck with in the last 16 years whether she was doing well with it or not.
This idea that her identifying as black is some new thing that she's just taking advantage of is silly.
No, she identified as mixed-race for many years. Which is why I was surprised that she suddenly became "black and proud". I don't think that women who are black and proud would date and/or marry a string of white men. Especially old dirtbags like Tommy Mottola.
Heck, just a few years ago she wanted to be a role model for mixed race people;
http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/mariah.-.-my-mission-to-be-a-mixed.race-role-model.
Now she doesn't even want to talk about her other heritages because "its so hard being a black woman".
Mariah Carey
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Black and proud women, or any women for that matter, can date any kind of man they want to. Fuck off.
Mariah Carey has always acknowledge being biracial. It was never a secret. Tommy Motola tried to market Mariah as the white Whitney Houston but failed. Lol. Once she got from under Tommy Motola notice how her image and music change drastically to a more "urban" sound. However, like Halle Berry, Mariah has had some difficulty with being biracial which is really as it relates to how other people perceives her.
Evolution_1ne
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in the fields.......lol
I've always believed her relationship with Tommy Motola was for business purposes only. He gave her her career.
Well to Halle's credit, she always considered herself a black woman. She never said she was a mixed woman, or a biracial woman. She made it clear that even though she was mixed, she considered herself a black woman.
Maybe Mariah's racial changeover was a result of finally divorcing Tony Motola. I don't know. I just noticed she became "black and only black" after she married Nick Cannon and her career stalled out.
I can believe that.
LoL! Most of my family are black women. I have nothing but love for them. I just dislike celebrities being phony and taking advantage of people. Carey has zero integrity.
I am kinda puzzled by the way slavery is discussed in here. Seems like a mine field to me. Does someone actually have a source for the argument that a slave of lighter skin color would have worked in the house? Wouldn't a landowner that raped a slave put his offspring as far away from his family as possible? Or did they feel no shame in such acts at all?
Also Carey was fantastic in Precious!
Also Carey was fantastic in Precious!
And isn't she too chubby these days to be working in the field?
Seriously, though, no reason why she couldn't get naturally tanned before filming.
Jayayess1190
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I love her, I know she will do great.
OldAsUrSock
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Still cant believe some people argue to death that she is black.
QuiteWhittle
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She identifies as a black woman. Shouldn't that largely settle the matter?
CrazyDogg77
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Yeah it shouldn't be an argument because she is black.
And do people here not think full black people can be light-skin or "high yellow"? It seems like people think a light skin tone can only come about as a result of slave rape.
GotEmRunnin
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Bet I would blow a lot of people's minds here if they knew before the civil war America had a large number of white slaves. Mostly Irish folk sent to the new world by England but white nonetheless.
How old are you if you don't mind me asking? Don't know why you seem so pressed by her. Why do you remember what she said from a random George Lopez interview but not anything from previous interviews or her legendary career up until that point? To fill you in though, she's been black since she's been born. Her father was black. Actually every one of her videos has black guys in them to be honest. And her Fantasy Remix Video/song basically revolutionized pop by infusing rap with a very popular pop song by a female artist. That took place about oh i don't know, more than ten years before she met Nick Cannon.
I'm in my mid 20s, and I remember when she was Mariah the mixed race singer. I also remember when she was making out with white dudes in Honey, dating Jerry O'Connell in Sweet Heart, and marrying Eric Roberts in that newer song (which I forget).
Her dad is half black (at best) and her mom is white. If she took her dad's last name she'd be considered Hispanic and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I mean look at her;
I wonder how popular she would be if she looked like Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, or India Airie.
She's black in name only, and she's the personification of why racial politics in the U.S. is stupid and unjust. She gets to enjoy the acceptance of black people, and the benefits of having a white appearance. Its pretty fucked up all the way around.
Leona Lewis
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You forgot the part where she ended up ditching Eric Roberts and hitching with (part African-American) Wentworth Miller.
I thought Muhammad Ali's view on miscegenation was an artifact of his generation's upbringing. Depressing to learn that some younger people (who should really know better) still think that blacks should be with black and whites should be with white. Or that race should be a consideration in judging someone else's choice of a mate.
And what does that have to do with her? She can't alter her genes. It's not like she had any control over her appearance.
I haven't seen this much puzzlingly misplaced resentment since Londa's escapades.
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You must not read Roylonda's screeds about Beyonce then.
Most people wouldn't know that Miller is part African American unless someone tells you that he is. If the goal was to get a mixed race person, or a black person, why choose Miller who is pretty much a white person?
Because it all about optics.
I never said that. I have no problem with interracial marriages. I'm in one myself. I have a problem with people "coming home" when it suits their business plan. Alicia Keys kept it real from the getgo. This chick has been wishy-washy for decades.
She had control over her public persona. ESPECIALLY after divorcing Motola.
Most people wouldn't know that Miller is part African American unless someone tells you that he is. If the goal was to get a mixed race person, or a black person, why choose Miller who is pretty much a white person?
Because it all about optics.
I never said that. I have no problem with interracial marriages. I'm in one myself. I have a problem with people "coming home" when it suits their business plan. Alicia Keys kept it real from the getgo. This chick has been wishy-washy for decades.
She had control over her public persona. ESPECIALLY after divorcing Motola.
I think the point everyone is trying to make, though, is that Mariah never did anything to hide her racial background. So how is she wishy-washy?
late to the party,
mariah carey married a black man, the majority of her inner circle is black, she mostly works with black people.
None of these people are even remotely as talented as her. And none of them make music as good as her.
I hope she wins an oscar even though I don't think she's a great actress.
mariah carey married a black man, the majority of her inner circle is black, she mostly works with black people.
None of these people are even remotely as talented as her. And none of them make music as good as her.
I hope she wins an oscar even though I don't think she's a great actress.
Eh. You might be right that she started explicitly identifying as "black" later in her career, but she hadn't stopped identifying as multiracial. There's an interview where she talks about Obama's election and what it signifies for her in terms of how she grew up and how her children are going to experience the world differently than she did because of how the culture has changed, and she explicitly mentions being ethnically diverse.
But on how Earth you think Nick Cannon gives her cred, I have no idea. I would think that she already had credibility within the African American market given that she was going on thirteen years and quite literally tens of remixes and album tracks with rappers and music that trended towards urban and R&B, whether there was a feature or not. And this had had the effect of alienating a great deal of her previous audience. Do you really think that she decided to start publicly identifying as black as a career move? I suppose it could be true; it just doesn't seem like a very efficacious or well-considered plan if it is. And I think it is at least as plausible to think that identity is flexible and contingent and that perhaps she decided that identifying as "black" was something she was more comfortable with than identifying as mixed race at this point in her life.
I'm not really sure I understand why it matters what she identifies as and when she identifies as it, though.
Are you kidding me? Slavery was about unpaid 9 to 5 shifts and the occasional beating, not centuries' long demoralizing human rights violations.
Wow you are taking that Lopez interview way too serious, lol. Fact is she's still multi-racial. And she can identify herself anyway she pleases. I'm trying to understand why you are so upset by this though?
What is your point???? These are videos by the way, she never really dated Jerry O'Connell or married Eric Roberts. What does it matter what color the people are in her videos that play her love interest??? You do realize its 2013 I hope.
Tim the Wiz
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The belief that light-skinned slaves were more likely to be house slaves is vastly overstated, perhaps reflective in part of modern racism. The products of couplings between slave-owners and slaves often received some of the harshest treatment, as they were bastards and visible symbols of 'miscegenation' and sin in Southern society.
IrishNinja
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OP embarrasses self trying to shade on Mariah, should've expected that tho...at least Measley came in to help you save face
that would've been a very different movie
that would've been a very different movie
would still fap
I've always known about master's bastard rape kids being house slaves etc... but how about Overseer rape off-spring? Were they put in house also? People need to appreciate how fucked up and brutal slavery in the US was...
If I were to take a guess, I doubt landowner's wife had much power or could do anything about an affair. I read somewhere that affairs were more accepted back then (on the man's part of course), hell folks used to write to their brother in-laws and brag about their side action. Compare that to this message board where OPs want to snitch on their own sister for cheating lol.
Again, because Mariah Carey went from constantly bragging about being multi-racial to only being black. Interesting choice to make in your late thirties don't you think?
I don't really remember her publicly dating black men in real life either. In fact, I remember being surprised when she suddenly married Nick Cannon, because I had never seen her being romantically linked to black men at any point during her career. My point is that even after gaining control over her image and her music, she still only had white men in her videos as romantic partners.
In any case, now that she married a black man, and considers herself "black and proud", she can more easily take black roles away from black people.
Zoe Saldana should take notes.
Half and half
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I came in here to hate. But after reading a bit, I can't do it. I hope she suceeds.
haha!
haha!
Excuse me? No embarrassment to be had. I laughed my ass off at the idea of Mariah Carey playing a slave, as did pretty much everyone who saw my post about it on facebook. The history of mixed slaves working in the fields aside, it's just a funny image.
And, as I've said already in this thread, if they acknowledge that they have a woman who could pass for white playing a slave in this film, they have the opportunity to tell a story from a perspective we don't often hear about. The fact that so many people are surprised by a "high yellow" slave being out in the fields is proof enough that there's an interesting story to be had here. Which also serves to make this thread not pointless.
So am I #SorryBoutIt? Nope.
Examples of her "bragging" about being multi-racial please.
She married a white man. She dated Derek Jeter (who also is multi-racial), Mark Sudack, and dated Luis Miguel (who was a Latin singer).
I remember tons of videos with her and some fine brothers.
Being that she is part black, I hope she does take many "black" roles....being that she is black....Again she's got some black in ha. Deal with it.
You should apply your advice to yourself it seems.
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