Agreed.
Anecdotally, all of my friends (myself included) had a 360 as a primary console but we're switching to the PS4 next gen.
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Angry Joe: Major Nelson Interview (Xbox One) E3 2013
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Agreed.
Anecdotally, all of my friends (myself included) had a 360 as a primary console but we're switching to the PS4 next gen.
Good interview.
Yeah major nelson stated many of his answers with PR twist/terms but that's his job.
Overall, it still seems to me that Xbox is giving more people options to share digitally than physically while it's vice versa for the PS4.
Sony would never allow a family plan similar to what's (supposedly) coming on to the Xbox One. The PS4 is already opened as it is when it comes to physical discs. The Xbox One could do things like the family share plan because of its restrictions on discs.
If the PS4 had the family plan ON TOP of not having any restrictions on games on discs, then things would be too opened. Keeping things the way they are now with discs + the family plan = a ton of people sharing/pirating games instead of buying them. Publishers wouldn't support the PS4 at all if that happened.
The Xbox One could drop the DRM issues but if they did, the family plan would have to go (for the same exact reasons I stated above).
But yeah, it seems like this next gen is physical (PS4) vs. digital (Xbox One). Choose what's best for you and then go from there.
Or, if you want all of the games, get both.
The DELUSIONS you have are just....
I too don't really care about drm digital policies that much because I know and want a digital gaming future. However, that is not all this is about. Neither is it simply about PR. MS is trying to force this before its time which shows hubris on their part and their treatment of indies and general policies is a view of what is to come when they run the entire show.
And if Sony cant get a foot in the door with game enthusiast despite:
-having a more powerful system
-embracing and funding indies and letting them self publish
-coming in at $100 less
-rejecting DRM policies
If they cant get a foothold after doing all that, it is fucking over for them. Enjoy the one console Microsoft future.
Colonel Nasty
Member
No, since every xbox one disc is essentially a digital copy this is how you lend your digital copy. Like lending library on kindle. Once the digital game is in the shared library any account in group and can download and play that. Regardless of location, even on a different console but it sounds like only one person can be playing that digital copy at a time, that way ten people arent using one copy of Halo ___.
A lesson that Sony learned with the PS3.
Tfault
Member
Yeh, but at least he got information out of the guy, which professionals don't seem to have managed to date.
NullPointer
Member
They could just make the sharing unavailable if you're offline. No access to the shared library offline (duh), no adding shared games, and no checking games out.
Your console can easily know whether your access derives from buying the game or through a family share. If you've got no internet connection the console could just keep you from playing shared games (ala games you didn't buy).
All of these *problems* that supposedly require online are solvable from a mixture of online and offline, like every other device on the planet.
Jmanunknown
Member
Microsoft had two things going for them that they do not this time a year head start and price advantage both of those advantages are gone. Even Microsoft's xbox live is not an advantage because it is not backwards compatible with the 360 except for achievements and gamertag. They are literally in the same spot Sony was in with the ps3 except the ps3 was backwards compatible at the beginning of its first couple of years out.
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Transistors in the cloud, join me in the future.
Wow, I'd like to eat pizza and play games with Scott, what a nice and genuine guy!
He did pretty well considering the circumstances in which the interview took place and his own lack of experience.
How so?
It was refreshing to see Joe being a regular human being, manipulations/foibles/intimidations and all. Even down to the remorse from having used tactics he didn't feel people should be comfortable with doing to get the interview and realising he got played by the PR machine to feel that way.
As for the content itself, LH did nothing to change my perspective on the Xbone. MS gonna MS.
As for the content itself, LH did nothing to change my perspective on the Xbone. MS gonna MS.
Tom Hatherford
Banned
He definitely seemed to trying to intimidate you the whole time (standing very close, taking mic out of hand, having PR glaring at you), doesnt come off like the nice guy you say he is. Anyway handled like a champ and pro.
You got some stones angry Joe. Microsofts Bullshit deserves no pussy footing all other media is giving them
You got some stones angry Joe. Microsofts Bullshit deserves no pussy footing all other media is giving them
It's pretty easy actually (pseudo code):
Code:
On play game ->
If console not online ->
Prompt user to insert original disc or cancel ->
Validate original disc serial number else failHow are they not connected?
Do you not see how TONS of people would never have to buy games if there were no restrictions on disc games on top of having something like the family share plan for ALL games; retail and digital?
Some people would be able to go through the whole gen without buying any games just as long as they knew the right people -- and they would be able to go through out the whole gen doing so legally.
Wouldn't locally lead to pirating?
Digitally = everything is inside MS' ecosystem keeping things legal.
So, you are saying that I shouldn't believe that the family share plan is true... even though MS has been talking about it more and more these past weeks?
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Yeah, he did good. A much better job than I would do, that's for sure!
Tripolygon
Banned
But family plan man, family plan, you can't do family plan without having always online DRM
If you think that 24h check in can be disabled, you literally don't know what you're talking about.
dragonelite
Member
Hell no given how the want this device to work on a infrastructure.
Have you seen the OS preview video it ran what looked like 10~20fps.
They have other issues to worry about.
This change depends how intertwined the cloud back end is with the OS on the console.
But modern software development they probably have something for it. Questions is how that battle plan still stands right now in crunch time when there are more important features they want to get.
But after this E3 i think they should place disk verification up on the scrum wall
As CS student i made the same mistake as angry joe when we had to do a really high up code review more like class diagrams and features list different teams made, asked wouldn't it be more easier if you drop that and do it like this. And the other team gave a legit answer like Major Nelson "Are you on this team do you know how every other system is intertwined with each other and just like you we have the same deathlines to worry about" that project gave me my first gray hair and im fucking 23 and now i do believe stress can kill or damage people.
Also a reason why i can understand why developers get excited about the cloud.
I did cover some game engines topics like pathfinding(graph navigation)and i can see the cloud work for AI.
And how the cloud wont work for graphics that is to latency important.
If Microsoft is handing all these cloud resources for free to developers and take away those financial burdens of the pubs and devs?
Then i can see more dev willing to do something like The division and Destiny.
Major Nelson got more PR experience, and surely played him around, but you can't expect him to be all foul mouth when already they didn't want the interview and he had PR people breathing on his neck.
It's one thing as a joke in a video, it's another to be rude to people IRL.
Bornstellar
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Difficulty to implement != difficulty of redesigning features.
NullPointer
Member
Because he always starts his videos with a little monologue where he's all fired up, and then the interview comes around and he just totally wusses out, followed by another monologue saying all the things 'he was about to do'. Watch the Geoff Keighley one, it's pure gold.
Sure, but he didn't exactly ask hard hitting questions there. He's no Piers Morgan...
not that that's a good thing, of course!
don't let the P.R people eat you for breakfast, you did a great job for us subscribersYou think Nelson is going to stand there with someone ranting at him?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
And The British are notoriously cheap. Only company that has bucked the trend has been Apple.
The only reason the 360 got so much traction in the first place was the price.
fart town usa
Banned
Seriously,
I don't understand this mindset of physical media being such a burden...
Vinyl records have been making a comeback, libraries and bookstores are still viable, camera film, bluray, dvd, etc. You can still buy blank cassette tapes if you want, I know because I buy them sometimes at local concerts.
This nonsense of strictly digital is just that, nonsense.
Also, do people realize how many more jobs this country (USA) would lose if we got rid of all physical purchases? Good bye retail, something that is already struggling. America's youth pretty much have two choices for employment at the moment, restaurant or retail. It's already slim pickings, I can't imagine what it would be like if all physical media were to vanish from stores.
levyjl1988
Banned
Angry Joe is keeping up the pressure, voice of the gamers, love it. Major Nelson is shrivelling trying to defend the Xbox One, lol.
No, but he might stand there if he was asked some actual decent hard-hitting questions. You don't need to rant, or be rude. He just needs to go into Paxman mode.
The higher price could very well just give the impression that it is superior hardware regardless of the reality.
I will give you that the year head start made a big difference, but I think you really underestimate the power of an ecosystem. The 360/PS3 gen was the first console gen that had a social aspect. People like their friends lists and gamerscores. Pulling them away is like pulling them away from Facebook for Google Plus.
Sony still has a huge uphill battle to fight. Hell, just look at all the gaming enthusiast around here that still are day one Xbox. There are a ton in the thread about what games you are buying on release date, seemingly more than PS4 people or at least pretty close and this is right after all the bad news dropped on a gaming forum. MS's mistakes are likely to make even less of an impact as time goes on and with the general population and I think MS knows it. Brand loyalty is powerful especially combines with a social network hub. I am not sure there is anything Sony could do to win a lot of those people.
So saying that many next-gen games will have many online features (therefore making the game different and/or unplayable when the game's servers go down) is a delusion?
Saying that we are heading into a digital download only future for games is a delusion?
How are these delusions when current trends are strongly pointing to all of this being true soon?
Firstly this was totally spur of the moment.
Second, why would a person agree to an interview if they were being very hostile. As he learned from Geoff, he needed to keep a level head and ask questions in a polite, but still investigative way. Yes Joe did not have the experience like Nelson and other journalists had in that interview, but damn he did a good job considering the circumstances. Especially with the PR watching him in the background like they did.
His hard hitting questions were apparently left to the latter part of the interview, which was cut off by MS PR.
Paxman has been used to interviews for decades, Joe has been operating for about 3 years.
Krusenstern
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Both physical and digital media can co-exist in the Future™. Each one has their benefits. No need to force the one over the other. It's the same in every other entertainment industry.
Music, books, and movies must be pretty backwards if they still distribute physical media alongside digital media.
But he's not Paxman, he doesn't command the same level of respect or have the same level of experience. It doesn't matter what he asked him, Nelson was always going to just spin and not answer the questions.
You don't have to be hostile to give a good interview.
Current trends are showing the prevalence of digital downloads, but not the monopolization of it. Physical media are just as relevant. Both can exist, you know.
backbreaker65
Banned
Again all everyone is telling you digital isn't the future its the its recent past and the present. IT ISN'T NEW OR THE FUTURE!!!!!
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Those questions were more hard-hitting than pretty much everything else I saw so far from E3. He's no professional media guy, he's just your average Joe (pun intended) from Youtube who likes to play games. Still his questions were way more interesting than the usual "HEY MAJOR WHEN IS GAME X COMING OUT OOOH YOU CANT TELL YEAH WE'RE HAPPY BYE" stuff.
Well done Joe, don't work yourself up because you didn't get through all of your viewers' questions!
This is exactly what I'm talking about. How convenient.
Yes but he was unprepared for the interview as well as under experienced compared to other interviewers. Considering that, it was pretty good.
Well Joe does tend to operate on very long interviews. Look at his other E3 interviews spanning about 20 minutes. I can only repeat what he said in the video.
In my opinion, he wasn't being false hearted at all.
Seems like there was a question hard hitting enough to get the PR handler involved.
Do you have links to other E3 interviews where that happens all the time? I would love to watch them.
How was he unprepared? He had pages of pre-written notes!
SwordtoWarrior
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While the whole interview felt awkward, Joe seemed a bit nervous, you need to calm down and not be shaken by these people. I was surprised by these questions though, Nelson was a bit unstable, perhaps it's because the interview wasn't scripted like the others.
It's funny how he has "handlers" telling him what questions not to answer, if you don't know the feature of the system you are promoting then there is something wrong. Of course they wouldn't outright tell you the features because otherwise people wouldn't buy it. It's they dance around using PR words.
It's funny how he has "handlers" telling him what questions not to answer, if you don't know the feature of the system you are promoting then there is something wrong. Of course they wouldn't outright tell you the features because otherwise people wouldn't buy it. It's they dance around using PR words.
Bornstellar
Member
The Reddit interview had good hard questions and it was conducted in a far more succint and professional manner, IMO.