She could have a move similar to Peach's FSmash, where she pulls out a different weapon at random.
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She could have a move similar to Peach's FSmash, where she pulls out a different weapon at random.
Anna could also have all of her pun-tastic quips from Awakening, my favorites being, "CHA-CHING" and "I make DEEP cuts!"
LOL, that would require an insane amount of work but would be so much fun if they could pull it off. It'd be like Hades' taunt button is broken since he never stops verbally shitting on the other characters, ha ha. XD
Ready to get gouged?
Oh, that's a great one! See, too many to keep track of, lol.
Yeah, I really want Anna. She's the most DESERVING FE character after Chrom (current Lord of the Week) and Marth (the original hero). She's well-known and I'm sure well-loved in Japan, having a legacy spanning nearly the entire series.
Nocturnowl
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Funny, I was thinking of something similar earlier, there's been numerous mentions of the various Gods chatting away in a Kid Icarus stage with Starfox Team and Codec like cameos but I was thinking of an underworld stage that works like the spear pillar from brawl.
You load it up and you either get Hades or Medusa as the main stage hazard, aside from affecting the environment and attacking the stage they would also occasionally make remarks including ones specifically targeting the characters being played, Medusa would be more biting and aggressive while Hades is of course overly snarky.
So yeah kind of like your idea really.
Troubled Bat
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What are you talking about?! We're totally getting Palutena for the second representative. Its the third that's worrying! Medusa!! T^T
I must ask...not you, in general. Why do most consider wolf the clone and not toon link.
DICKS AHOY
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toon link is actually fun to play as so it's harder to tell he's a clone
Xux
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Yup, five years later and people don't even know what a clone is.
Casual players don't give a shit about all that either. They would be perfectly happy to see Falco return as Fox's costume, it's just the FGC that can't make do with that. So the argument can be made that that is selfish as well.
It doesn't offend me, I have a friend who is a fighting game fanatic and he tells me all these things about mix ups and whatnot. The thing is that I don't give a shit about any of it and most of the people who buy smash probably don't care about those properties either. I'm not looking to become some new Smash world champion, I just want to play as my favorite characters or some new ones that all have different and varied moves. The problem here is that, with clones or whatever the fuck you call them they don't have varied moves. The moves all look the same the only thing that changes is a few "properties" in them. Things that, at least to me and I'd say a large amount of people who'll buy the game, don't matter. If a person doesn't care about move properties then why not just make them an alt costume. It's the same thing. They can still play with the character, the character just won't have his one dedicated spot, nor do they have to spend time making all these little tweaks.
Bolded = I never said this, why are you repeating it.
At least in Mortal Kombat they actually have completely different moves. Sub-zero uses ice shit, Scorpion has the chain and fire and katanas, Reptile turns invisible, pulls you in with a bubble and spits acid. Not saying that I love MK, because their endless array of teleporting characters annoys me as well but that's a different story.
Alright, they can add more content through DLC now. They have all the time in the world to make different, varied characters. It just gives even less of a reason for there to be any clones in this game. Even Luigi, who always got a pass, shouldn't be a clone this time around. Just because other fighting games do something doesn't mean Sakurai should do so as well. How about not having Ryu/Ken stuff? Things like that, that only matter to smash elitists like yourself. Because that's basically what you are right now. I'm a smash casual, I don't care about the strategies used to fighting as one or the other. I don't care about which move I should do to go into a combo because with this one clone that same move allows me to do one combo that I wouldn't be able to do with the other character. That's meaningless to me and it's meaningless to the majority of people who are going to buy the game. Why? because most of them will probably be casual players, buying the game to see Mario beat up Link. And if Falco happened to show up just as an alt of Fox and not as a completely separate character, most wouldn't bat an eye.
I never said they were, where are you going with this.
Because everyone hates space animals.
I want Palutena (feel like she's a shoe-in though honestly) and Medusa the most.
I want Palutena (feel like she's a shoe-in though honestly) and Medusa the most.
Green Mamba
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A lot of people don't consider Toon Link a newcomer (they're wrong, he has less in common with Young Link than Mario did with Dr. Mario), if that's what you're getting at.
EDIT: I'm sorry, but I'll have to say it again, your stance on clones is fucking absurd, Ezalc.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Perhaps, but who know if i'm right. I meant there are many characters that people were so sure that they would be in SSBB but they never did. I'm concerned that it might applying to Palutena, Hades or Medusa, along with other characters that would deserve a place in the game.
It took 3 games for him to included two new Kirby characters, so who know?
I hope not!
I want Palutena
Same here, it's surly nice to want something.
:lol
Give him a new final smash then people would stop complaining. I would like to see Wolfen.
A Link to the Past
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I imagine that he would have a projectile smash like Mega Man does; when he charges his shot, a flower pot will fly onto screen and go forward. Maybe Up Smash is a rock, Down Smash was a bomb, etc.
Is he? If I recall, Dedede and Meta Knight were both planned, yet dropped to avoid favouritism.
Well, he is conceptually. A lot of the same attack theming. However, Wolf plays far too differently in almost every way to be a clone.
In the trailer you can briefly see it with Mario jumping through the roof into a jungle, I think it might be based on DKCR.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Are you pretty sure? I meant everyone were pretty sure that Mewtwo would be in Brawl.
Spring-Loaded
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Planned for Kid Icarus? Or Smash Bros.?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Dedede was planned for 64 and Melee, from what I remembered.
Dedede was planned to be in SSB64 alongside Bowser but both were dropped. They were brought up again in Melee with Meta Knight as well, but only Bowser made it in. Their otherwise unused models became trophies. It wasn't until Brawl that we'd finally see both characters playable.
I don't know if it was to prevent favoritism that they didn't get in, but they've been ideas in his head for quite some time.
Green Mamba
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Meta Knight was never planned for Smash pre-Brawl so far as we know, and Dedede being planned for Melee is, so far, an unsubstantiated rumor that no one can actually find a source for.
Dedede was planned for 64 though, alongside Bowser and Mewtwo (if anyone says any other character other than these three was planned, they are wrong).
Dedede was planned for 64 though, alongside Bowser and Mewtwo (if anyone says any other character other than these three was planned, they are wrong).
A Link to the Past
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Oh, I get what you're saying - you want Smash to be your game, no one else's, because you would rather people have fewer options to appease your preferences.
When does it stop being okay to be a "lazy developer"? Clearly, for you, stylistic rips are perfectly fine.
Also, good to know that elitism is not "I want only what I want! Clones suck! I don't care if people like them, I would rather there be nothing than there be clones!", but rather "I like clones. I like playing as them. They're different. Just don't use them." You're basically being the mouthbreathing conservative of the Smash community - interpreting anyone who takes Smash as a serious fighting game, or looks into the finer details as "elitists".
I'm seriously confused by the harm. As a matter of fact - yes, fact - no one is harmed or even inconvenienced by clones. Not even you. Their existence does not prevent other characters from existing, it just makes for a larger roster. It's apparent that you are a very selfish gamer, and, in fact, are the elitist in this discussion. You act superior because you don't take Smash seriously, and you act like you're better because you play Smash casually. When I act superior to you, it's because you're upset that the game has more options, rather than fewer. That's not elitism, that's a natural reaction to your ego.
Are people really trying to argue Wolf isn't a clone? Here is how I see it: if a character's special moves are the same thing as an already existing character's but with slightly different properties, then they are a clone. Pretending otherwise is just silly, because you never hear "clone confusion" with any characters that don't fit this bill.
My memory may be off but wasn't meowth planned too?
Pit wasn't planned for 64?
Ezalc dude, you are getting so riled up over this. You're also very obviously showing that you don't understand what a clone is. A clone would literally be two characters that do the exact same thing (exact same animations) to the exact same mechanical effect (similar hit stun, similar launching/spiking ability, similar start up and recovery, etc.). All this stuff you're relegating to "Smash elitists" are things that are obvious to ANYONE playing the game at any level and your continued persistence in the idea that this stuff is for elitists only is revealing a willful blindness to the idea that maybe your argument is just flat out weak.
I can also guarantee that the "casuals" you speak about would most definitely notice something's up when suddenly Fox is using a Falco alt over being in when he's been around since Melee. You want to talk about clones then advocate a system where tons of them would be running around because of popularity of certain characters driving people to only pick them or their alt and nothing more...
I can also guarantee that the "casuals" you speak about would most definitely notice something's up when suddenly Fox is using a Falco alt over being in when he's been around since Melee. You want to talk about clones then advocate a system where tons of them would be running around because of popularity of certain characters driving people to only pick them or their alt and nothing more...
Speaking of planned characters that didn't pan out, I'd still like to see Plusle & Minun, regardless of the fact Gen III is no longer the new hotness. They'd bring back that Pichu portability but with Ice Climber-style team-up attacks. I guess a way for it to still be current is as a depiction of Pokémon Double Battles. (Yes, I'm aware there are now Triple Battles, as well!)
Troubled Bat
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Palutena is definitely a shoe-in. No doubt about it. Yes, Medusa would be a really great addition. I'm already set for myself in disappointment, for her inclusion. I really really want her in.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I remembered that some people said that Pit was planned for 64.
Not exactly. If they are going to have Falco and Wolf on the roster, they should have given the characters some more respect and put some more care into their design. Just because they are Star Fox characters doesn't mean they need to be based so heavily on Fox's design. Why do all three have reflectors, for example?
Of the two, Wolf is in a much better state, with his bestial attacks, slightly heavier weight, and notably different up and forward B attacks, but he is still burdened by having all of his moves based on Fox's original design.
Falco is much worse, and is still very much a clone character. All of his B moves are just slightly tweaked versions of Fox's specials. While his fighting style is slightly different, he isn't being used to bring anything else from Star Fox into Smash Bros.
There is a lot of material from the Star Fox franchise they could use, too. Where are the charged shots? Where are the Plasma shots? Heck, where is the classic Barrel Roll? A side-B rolling move with an added reflect effect would be a great way to keep something of what Falco already has and make him more different than Fox. There is plenty of material from Star Fox Assault that could be used as material for differentiating the characters.
Of course, the big problem is that Falco is just a (sometimes slightly tweaked) Fox clone in Star Fox itself. Wolf is Fox's evil clone, in terms of gameplay and visual design. I am not completely certain that they are the best choices for Smash Bros. I am not calling for their removal or anything, but it is kind of a tough sell for them to be in over characters who would clearly bring something different and unique to the roster. They are side characters from a franchise, when very few non-Mario series have side characters in Smash Bros. Star Fox hasn't even been that big of a franchise in a long time. Thinking about it, it is rather unusual. It would be nice to see every series get as much representation as Star Fox, but I wouldn't want them to use clones in order to do so.
Pit really rode a wave of fan base sentiment asking for him to become more relevant in the Nintendo main IP roster and came about in Brawl through that sentiment. The tease in Melee (see his statue's flavor text) probably did a lot for him in retrospect though.
And where are you getting this information.
ScraftyDevil
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Red Arremer
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Oh man, I really have to get FE Awakening (and Kid Icarus Uprising for that matter). My 3DS is collecting dust and I only have 3D Land and Mario Kart on it. :|
I'm pretty sure out of that list, only Dedede and Wario are true. I know Sigurd is just Sakurai's favorite FE character.
Especially since SSB64 came out like 7 or 8 years before Mother 3 was released, Lucas would be quite an odd thing to have been considered for SSB64.
I thought it was Wario, not Mewtwo, but I might be mistaken.
Green Mamba
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No, no, no, no.
The only (only) source (only) of planned but scrapped characters for 64 is the original (Japanese only) Dojo for the first game. It only lists Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede.
Pit, Meowth, Balloon Fighter, Peach, anyone else, are completely unsubstantiated and get passed around forums like facts and spread like wildfire. There is zero indication that anyone outside Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede were planned.
EDIT:
You're killing me.
Xux
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He has all different animations and a new model. Development wise, time/effort spent etc. he's a completely new character.
Lee Chaolan
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Preferably with these weapons
Man that's sexy. Daisy looking insane, Rosalina cool, Peach looks best here.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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Supposedly Wolf was too. I agree with everything you said in the above post, though.
Bowser, Dedede, and Mewtwo are mentioned as being planned / considered on the original Japanese Dojo, so those are the only ones we can say for sure.
Supposedly Sakurai once said in Famitsu that he had planned on using Wolf as well, but because we don't have a primary source for that available, it's hard to take it at face value. But I think the person who dug that information up is really reliable when it comes to things like this, so personally I think it's probably true.
YOu mean is specials. Not those claw attacks, and the moves where he throws his entire body... because fox cant do that. At all.... so his specials... all of his normals are different.
Toon link is definitely a clone. He isn't new though, since he is pretty much Young Link with a different appearance. I wouldn't be sad if he was removed from the roster, but it would also be nice if he was rebuilt entirely. Maybe into Four Swords Link (with all four Links attacking as a team) or having him use Mole Mits for his down-tilt attack and so forth.
Troubled Bat
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Honestly, I have only heard of King Dedede being in the thoughts of included characters in SSB64. That's it.
Red Arremer
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Alright, by that logic, Samus is a clone of Link. Here's how it goes down:
B: Projectile you can charge
Side + B: Projectile you can change the trajectory of
Down + B: Bombs
Up + B: Spinny Recovery move
All of those moves have different properties, but they are essentially the same.
On top of that, Samus and Link both have a grappling hook for a grab (and in Brawl also can tether to the ledge with it).
Clearly, Samus is a Link clone.
A Link to the Past
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I keep trying to favourite posts as though this was Twitter.
Dude, I think you are onto something! Come to think of it, DK also has a spinny recovery move... he might be a clone too!!
A Link to the Past
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In that case, Sonic's a super clone; he does SO many spins!
Green Mamba
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This is the site by the way:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Top 20 most wanted characters for Smash 2 pre-Melee in a poll conducted by Sakurai. Mewtwo, Dedede, and Bowser are mentioned near the bottom. Google translate if need be.
For those curious, the top 20 are:
1. Bowser
2. Peach
3. Wario
4. King Dedede
5. Ganon(dorf) (counted both together)
(6). James Bond
(6). Mewtwo
8. Banjo & Kazooie
9. Toad
10. Mew
11. Marth
(12). Mr. Saturn
(12). Ash
(12). A Fire Emblem character (anyone, not specified, just the series in general)
15. Gooey
(16). Diddy Kong
(16). Sukapon
18. Unspecified Pokemon (like Fire Emblem, they just want another Pokemon)
(19). Meta Knight
(19). Lugia
(numbers in parentheses indicates a tie)
Thought it was interesting. Bowser is far and away the most wanted. Granted, there aren't that many votes. The link at the bottom takes you to series specific listings.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html
Top 20 most wanted characters for Smash 2 pre-Melee in a poll conducted by Sakurai. Mewtwo, Dedede, and Bowser are mentioned near the bottom. Google translate if need be.
For those curious, the top 20 are:
1. Bowser
2. Peach
3. Wario
4. King Dedede
5. Ganon(dorf) (counted both together)
(6). James Bond
(6). Mewtwo
8. Banjo & Kazooie
9. Toad
10. Mew
11. Marth
(12). Mr. Saturn
(12). Ash
(12). A Fire Emblem character (anyone, not specified, just the series in general)
15. Gooey
(16). Diddy Kong
(16). Sukapon
18. Unspecified Pokemon (like Fire Emblem, they just want another Pokemon)
(19). Meta Knight
(19). Lugia
(numbers in parentheses indicates a tie)
Thought it was interesting. Bowser is far and away the most wanted. Granted, there aren't that many votes. The link at the bottom takes you to series specific listings.
Red Arremer
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Actually, DK is somewhat of a melee version of said moves. You already spotted the Up B, but there's also the B to charge, the down B which has an AoE effect (like explosions do), and I guess you could argue the headbutt changes the trajectory of your opponents, so there you go.
This post here is sarcastic, but if you don't have a proper rebuttal other than that, I assume you know that you lost this argument because you accepted either Samus as a Link clone, or Wolf as a full fledged character.