If it i sarcasm , hah.
If not.
Eh... what does that matter?
" hey there is a creepy over enthused minority part of this fanbase"
"like everything?"
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If it i sarcasm , hah.
If not.
Eh... what does that matter?
" hey there is a creepy over enthused minority part of this fanbase"
"like everything?"
I only know second-hand tales but there's someone in the character prediction thread who is currently 3 for 3 on character reveals with 3 slots remaining to be determined. They're apparently affiliated with gemetsu or something that ran a story on character reveals earlier? or something? idk
peanutbutterlatte
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Not pictured: Wii Fit Trainer.
She's pulling the train along with her teeth.
I don't mind Toon Link, but I don't think he is necessary if they just make regular link a more balanced character.
wait, the guy who got a few predictions correct is suddenly an insider now?
NeonZ
Member
The Gemetsu site claimed that something identical to his "prediction" was actually insider information. And who had even thought of "Wii Fit Trainer" as a possible character?
On the other hand, there apparently were supposed to be 6 reveals, and we only got 3. But, like other people mentioned, they might be want to spread out the announcements.
What happens to Mario in that gif. It's like she slams him into the floor and he bounces away.
She's make sense as a transformation for SS Zelda, too - have Impa poof in with a cloud of smoke and then swap back. Or give her a new slot all her own using a tweaked Sheik, I'd be good either way.
Could always be worse - Hyrule Historia calls him "Cat-Eyed Link."
Clone or not, I've always thought his moveset was dull. I don't like how he shares B moves with Fox either.
Sorry, but Toon Link doesn't return most likely.
(At least his cameo is pretty sweet!)
We're most likely having ALttP Link taking the "Young Link" tunic this time around.
remember when dk was dropped when 75m was a stage
Wind Waker Link and Spirit Tracks Link are two different people, too.But that was Cranky Kong
calc84maniac
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And meanwhile, Link and Young Link in Melee are the same person. 
From Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/an-in-depth-chat-with-the-genius-behind-super-smash-bro-530744390
Sakurai: Mostly I don't incorporate feedback like that. Basically, Smash Bros. is designed to be sort of targeted at the center, intermediate players, and if you think of sort of a skill graph or something where if you're targeting just the peak of that performance level, you're targeting a very small group of people. We wanna avoid a situation where it becomes a game sort of like other competitive fighting games, where it's only apreciated by a very small, passionate group of sort of maniac players. We definitely don't want that sort of situation. It's supposed to be a fun game for a wide variety of people.
http://kotaku.com/an-in-depth-chat-with-the-genius-behind-super-smash-bro-530744390
Sakurai: Mostly I don't incorporate feedback like that. Basically, Smash Bros. is designed to be sort of targeted at the center, intermediate players, and if you think of sort of a skill graph or something where if you're targeting just the peak of that performance level, you're targeting a very small group of people. We wanna avoid a situation where it becomes a game sort of like other competitive fighting games, where it's only apreciated by a very small, passionate group of sort of maniac players. We definitely don't want that sort of situation. It's supposed to be a fun game for a wide variety of people.
High level balancing dreams CRUSHED
Dreams of design focused around high level play were pointless anyways. Doesn't mean the game won't be balanced.
On the other hand, the casual group of people (that's me) won't mind much with very detailed tweakings (like someone said one version of Ganondorf is better, to me it's the same). But what I get is for a more visible mechanics like items, things Sakurai deemed fun is prioritized over balance. Within acceptable boundaries, of course.
Smash bros is hands down my favorite series, but I never took it to the level of melee hardcore players. As long as it's relatively balanced for casual play with friends, i'm fine.
Shadow Hog
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Ignoring your other qualifications, that's not really a barrier for entry.
- R.O.B.'s games weren't great; the guy wasn't an especially reliable partner, making Gyromite and Stack-Up fairly frustrating for reasons beyond your control.
- A lot of Link's moveset was borrowed from Zelda II, which Miyamoto called his "[most] disappointing" game. The game still gets a lot of flak, to this day.
- Samus's design is based on Other M, which is something of a laughing stock from what I've seen.
- Sonic's games have been total shit, starting anywhere between Sonic Heroes and Sonic 3D Blast (depending on who you ask), and not ending until Sonic Colors or Sonic Unleashed (again, depending on who you ask). They were still in the crapper when Brawl came out.
- Does anyone really, really care about Ice Climbers? IIRC the game was thoroughly mediocre.
So, yeah, I'm not inclined to say high-quality games are necessarily the bar you have to clear.
It sounds like he's trying to simultaneously appeal to beginner level players and intermediate level players, and i'm totally down with that.
I'm really interested in this character customization system (I was the type of person who spent a long time customizing each of the characters in SSE)
EDIT: Still bummed about his shoulder pain, please don't strain yourself Sakurai
I'm really interested in this character customization system (I was the type of person who spent a long time customizing each of the characters in SSE)
EDIT: Still bummed about his shoulder pain, please don't strain yourself Sakurai
JBtheHunter
Banned
This makes perfect sense to me. Crossover fighting games are mostly supposed to appeal to the people who are fans of the characters, not exclusively to fans of the genre.
I think melee was a happy accident for the FGC.
Kotaku: Recently?
Sakurai: A long, long time ago. So I don't wanna ignore that there's that type of pleasure to be had from the game.[/quote]
I knew it!
He seems like the type of person who was ultra competitive, back in the day.
Sakurai also just confirmed that they intentionally tried to the balance characters this time(none of this "he doesn't care" nonsense) with what I believe is a trial and error system. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for decent character balance.
I BELIEVE IN SAKURAI!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
No, he posted in Smash thread, and mentioned unlikely prediction: Wit Fit Trainer, Animal Crosser, Mega Man, Little Mac, Pac-Man and Mii. That's it. Once person realized that source was correct when we saw first 3 characters being confirmed, so he posted it on Gemetsu and that they got the mail couple days before Nintendo Direct.
Not Character Prediction. It's different thread but I don't remember which one.
Well, technically, it's since been confirmed that the Link from "Link Between Worlds" is NOT the same Link as LTTP Link, but an all new Link separated by at least a generation or two from LTTP.
Depending on how much Sakurai was clued in to that game's development (which likely started around 2011), maybe even Blue Boar Ganon is a possibility. (Assuming he's involved... but let's face it, there's no reason for him not to be.)
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
I like how Mario hits the ceiling , bounces back to the floor and fly up again.This is the first that I have seen this. This is gold.
This will also be the first time Sakurai doesn't handle the character balancing alone:
IGN said:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/06/08/e3-2011-early-super-smash-bros-details-revealed
I'm expecting good character balance with Namco on board as well.
It's been mentioned before, but melee wasn't an accident.
Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ice Climbers are awesome man. Their game is fun too!
He brings up a good point that perfect balancing is near impossible because changing the stage layout changes which characters are good. That was true even for melee. Slightly lower platforms gave marth a competitive advantage, right?
He can only try to do his best, so i think balancing for the intermediate player is great. Also I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope he supports balancing via patches. A broken metaknight could be fixed via patch, etc.
He can only try to do his best, so i think balancing for the intermediate player is great. Also I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope he supports balancing via patches. A broken metaknight could be fixed via patch, etc.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Brawl DK and 8-bit DK aren't more or less the same design.
Perfect balancing is impossible in any fighting game.
I don't understand what balancing for the intermediate player even means. Character balance is character balance; how does that change when it comes to intermediate players or more advanced players?
SuperAngelo64
Banned
"Shit Link"?
Sorry, but after 5 games using the same style he's worn out his welcome in my book.
At least he makes a good punching bag.
Interview with Sakurai pretty much solidifies that both versions will have the exact same roster.
He also explained that bringing back stages from Brawl will be slightly difficult in the 3DS version and that for some reason that also affects the Console version, despite Sakurai already stating that both versions will have dfferent stages. I personally don't like the 3DS version holding back the Wii U version, wish they were sort of more different experiences.
Source: http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1972435/super_smash_bros_the_difference_between_wii_u_3ds_versions.html
Edit: Its from yesterday, so I will assume know it was posted here before.
He also explained that bringing back stages from Brawl will be slightly difficult in the 3DS version and that for some reason that also affects the Console version, despite Sakurai already stating that both versions will have dfferent stages. I personally don't like the 3DS version holding back the Wii U version, wish they were sort of more different experiences.
Source: http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1972435/super_smash_bros_the_difference_between_wii_u_3ds_versions.html
Edit: Its from yesterday, so I will assume know it was posted here before.
It probably means that they are not presuming that the players are using extremely high-end tactics. Games tend to have a lot of high-end mechanics that only the very hard-core enthusiast will be able to master. If you use these mechanics to balance the characters, then you run into problems when 90% of the players can't use all of the characters to their limit.
In other words, balancing purely towards the high-end can result in situations where certain characters are disproportionately powerful at lower skill levels because they don't require advanced skills in order to use.
For example, I would consider myself an low to intermediate level fighting game player. I can pull off all of a character's special moves in a game like BlazBlue, but I can't combo for the life of me. I can link three or four attacks and special moves together, but nothing close at all to the stuff skilled players can do. For a player on my level, I can crush my opponents with Iron Tager (a C-Tier character), but will get absolutely wrecked when I try to fight using Hazama (an SS-Tier character). That is because Iron Tager is really simple to use compared to some of the really technical characters. All you have to do is land a few of his power throws and your opponent is pretty much dead. In comparison, Hazama takes a lot if practice and knowledge just to not get clobbered.
In other terms, I played Melee for five years on a near-daily basis and I am fairly confident in my ability to beat more than half of the game's players. However, I never learned how to wave-dash. Any balance built around wave-dashing would through the game balance off for me.
Jorok Goldblade
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Rule 34 is "There is porn of it. No exceptions."
Rule 43 is "The more beautiful and pure something is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt it."
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/rules-of-the-internet
I seriously don't know why anyone would think otherwise.
friskykillface
Banned
lmfao even the 3DS version is limiting and gimping past stages from returning
poke floats canceled, f-zero stages canceled- can't handle all dem cars.
jeez that sucks.
even the 3DS version is limiting and gimping past stages from returningpoke floats canceled, f-zero stages canceled- can't handle all dem cars.
jeez that sucks.
lmfao
poke floats canceled, f-zero stages canceled- can't handle all dem cars.
jeez that sucks.
To be fair, those stages sucked.
I feel like that was just a question that was oddly worded to him. Why would one platform's development affect the viability of the stages on another when he already confirmed they're going to be separate?
my friends wants them out. so they can have a chance to win against me =P
You would be surprised.
Shadow Hog
Member
I meant the game, not the characters. The characters shouldn't go anywhere if Sakurai can help it!
Yeah, I'd trade Snake for Sami in a heartbeat.
Me too. I doubt Sakurai even considers Advance Wars character though..
Troubled Bat
Member
Whoa, i'm tired of hearing such things! Ice Climbers are one of the best additions in Super Smash Bros.
Edit: I have never played the game they came from
I agree with this!