I like Mr. Freeze, but I don't think he has the material to fit into a feature length film. His story always worked great in a half hour format. He's kind of a less dynamic character, as sympathetic as that character may be. And I don't think it's worth it to fit that type of story inbetween and around the greater arc of Two Face & Joker. Also, you'd have to give screentime to cryogenic freezing, sci-fi elements, and explain the suit. Seems like a lot of trouble for a simple story that may or may not mesh well with the rest of the film.
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Yeah ... between the Joker, Two-Face, and Scarecrow I think they're more or less set. Maybe they could add Catwoman for some extra T&A appeal (studio thinking), but really if the idea is that these are connected films, then you don't need to introduce a new villain every single time out.
Just play it like you would with a series of comics and focus around 1 or 2 villains. The way Nolan has setup his take on the Batman mythos, some of the villains (Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Croc, Poison Ivy) really don't "fit" anyway unless you stretch.
Just play it like you would with a series of comics and focus around 1 or 2 villains. The way Nolan has setup his take on the Batman mythos, some of the villains (Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Croc, Poison Ivy) really don't "fit" anyway unless you stretch.
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So I just watched Batman Returns again today as I'm in sorta a Batman thing lately as he's without a doubt my favorite superhero ever, but I just have to ask the question here...why are Burtons films so hated by people sometimes? It felt so cinematic and felt like he really took those comic book characters and added realism and depth to them...I dunno guys I thought Burtons films were good too.
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Zyid said:
No complaints from me on that suggestion
*whistles*The Burton films aren't that bad. Batman Returns is just poorly written and falls apart by the third act, but it doesn't neccessarily embarass the characters. Batman Returns isn't bad in a "Batman & Robin" way ... which is just a gross misrepresentation of the Batman world, it's just not the best script. It kinda limps to the end rather than spectacularily finishing.
The Penguin and Catwoman are pretty well concieved by Burton, I've never really heard anyone complain that Batman Returns wasn't a good/interesting imagining of the characters ... Batman & Robin, Batman Forever etc. on the other hand ...
The thing with the Burton films is Batfans wanted something closer to the comics, and while Begins isn't neccessarily any more faithful to the source material ... I think now between Burton's Batman movies and Begins we've gotten close enough to the comics that people can relax a bit.
Batman Returns needed a re-write to get some of its pacing issues solved and a little less of the Burton-isms. The one thing I will give Burton credit for is his Gotham City is designed in a way in which characters like Catwoman and the Penguin seem plausible ... it doesn't look silly at all when they're on screen at once, whereas with some superhero movies that is not the case. Even with Nolan, I think he'd have trouble incorporating characters like the Penguin.
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I never really like The Penguin in BR. He was just far too grotesque and dark. It just didn't feel right, like Burton was trying too hard. Almost the same goes for Catwoman. BR as a whole barely overshoots the mark, IMO. I still can barelybelieve there were only 2 Schumacker films, it felt like such a long and sordid tale, like there were 4 movies of that drek.
Really? I think that the Penguin would be one of the characters that would fit best into Nolan's world. Burton's imagining of him was an enormous departure from the comic character. There was a rumor floating around before that Philip Seymour Hoffman was being considered for a minor role as the Penguin in TDK. I personally think that would have been awesome - imagine him like this and you'd pretty much get the idea:soundwave05 said:
Christopher said:
Up until a few weeks ago I took pleasure in hating these movies, feeling they didn't do Batman justice and were completely overrated simply because they were "dark".
Then I saw Spider-Man 3...and well, let's just say there's a new series of comic-based movies for me to hate.
In all seriousness though, the Burton flicks were hokey and boring as all ****, with little that shows what Wayne/Batman is all about. But I'd watch those two movies (and Forever) five days in a row before even glancing at Spider-Shit 3 again (and if ANYBODY tries to defend that piece of shit to me I'll rip you apart, so don't even bother).
I also found it funny that Batman would attempt to kill the Joker TWICE (once blowing up a factory full of his minions, the other in a street filled with people with his allegedly high tech Batwing), but is then telling Catwoman not to kill the same man who pushed her out of a 30 storey window because she'll regret it. :lol Spidey 3 is filled with that sort of stupid shit...
Going back on characters who don't work...I hope we won't see Poison Ivy either. Female villains don't really exhibit the kind of...I dunno...danger, I guess? I'd love to see Harley Quinn though. That would be killer.
TAS also had some unique and interesting characters of its own, like the invisible suit guy, etc. Wouldn't mind in the third movie to see some old & new characters thrown into the mix.
TAS also had some unique and interesting characters of its own, like the invisible suit guy, etc. Wouldn't mind in the third movie to see some old & new characters thrown into the mix.
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whoa now Burtin's Batman movies suck? I loved BB but come on...
edit:Burton not Burtin
edit:Burton not Burtin
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Zyid said:Really? I think that the Penguin would be one of the characters that would fit best into Nolan's world. Burton's imagining of him was an enormous departure from the comic character. There was a rumor floating around before that Philip Seymour Hoffman was being considered for a minor role as the Penguin in TDK. I personally think that would have been awesome - imagine him like this and you'd pretty much get the idea:
That picture reminds me of Pierrot le Fou from Cowboy Bebop.
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chubigans said:
I think,personality wise, Kelly Ripa would be a nice fit, although she would prolly not fit into the Chris Nolan vision.
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woodchuck said:
You knew this was coming,'Chuck.
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Kak.efes said:
it was to make it seem like Bruce masks his voice when he talks as Batman so people couldent tell who he really was.
I didnt mind it, same way I didnt mind the fight scenes, both were part of Nolan's vision for Batman.
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Kak.efes said:
the only part I really thought it was too over the top was when Batman first talked to Rachael after she got off the train, but other than that I thought it was fine.
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Lets agree though at least that the Burton/Elfman movies had an AWESOME soundtrack, man when watching Begins I kept waiting for the theme ;p. Also, the ending theme from Batman/Returns is just so well done, I love that scene so much how Batman stares at the signal and the theme playing over it.
I just hope that Nolan doesn't go TOO dark with the Joker.
edit: this is the music I'm talking about:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f9jO43NZIks&mode=related&search=
I just hope that Nolan doesn't go TOO dark with the Joker.
edit: this is the music I'm talking about:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f9jO43NZIks&mode=related&search=
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Kak.efes said:
Edit- ****.
Christopher said:
I liked the theme, but not as much as I liked Begins Zimmer soundtrack, that kept developing as he became Batman more and more. It's definitely the better fit for the film.
Also, TAS I think has a better soundtrack than the Burton films. Themes like the opening, clayface, and a bunch of others kick so much ass.
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Christopher said:
that scene didnt work at all with that music
J2 Cool said:
yeah, TAS had a great soundtrack, so many things about TAS were done so perfectly.
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Christopher said:
I love Danny Elfman but that music really doesn't go well with Batman Begins...its almost seems too epic
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obviously it didn't go with the scene guys it wasn't scored for that - it was just the piece I was talking about ;p
soundwave05
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The Elfman theme is great for the Burton films, but man it does not fit Batman Begins at all. The Zimmer/Newton Howard score is much better suited.
I love how the music rises when Batman has that rooftoop scene with Rachel
Rachel: Wait ... you could die ... at least tell me your name
Batman: It's not who I am, but what I do that defines me.
Awesome.
I love how the music rises when Batman has that rooftoop scene with Rachel
Rachel: Wait ... you could die ... at least tell me your name
Batman: It's not who I am, but what I do that defines me.
Awesome.
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my favorite moment in Begins where the music is perfect is when you see Falcone in his car holding his shotgun freaked out with the music all quite, then you just see him get snagged up through the sunroof and Batman delivers his "I'm Batman" line and the music gets loud and awesome, then it goes a step further when Batman compliments a hobo wearing the same coat he gave the hobo years earlier before zipping up and away.
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The best part of Begins, hands down, was Batman swinging from the train, everything's on the line, he swings in to the train, fights Ras some more, then blows the wall, and get's sucked out and sails off into the night. It was that whole sequence of events that I jsut couldn't beleive was happening, it was almsot like a wet dream, everything happened exactly like I wanted it to. The music, the action, perfection.
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BB's score was fantastic...wouldn't say it's better or worse then the Elfman scores, but they fit the movie. And the score has a recurring theme, it's just not long or overbearing. Anyway, that's a detail only little kids should care about.
And as previously stated, the score for Mask of the Phantasm is top notch. You can picture virtually every scene in your head when you hear the music, if you've seen the movies enough times. The crescendo that hits when Wayne puts the cowl on and turns around for the first time remains the single best scene in ANY comic-based movie.
Shinobi said:
My personal favorite is in this scene. The part where the Joker starts laughing and falls to his knees is the definitive Joker to me. That's what Ledger has to match or top.
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I think you may be disappointed...something tells me Ledger's Joker is going to be so different that many fans aren't going to like it. I really hope he keeps his laugh, but I don't really know.
But yeah, back to Zimmer...he's returning for the next one, correct? He did a ****ing amazing job with Begins, and I'm pysched to see his progression with the Batman theme and...omg the Joker's theme.
Im more inclined to attribute BB's awesome score to Newton Howard, as I hate most of Zimmer's stuff, yet love the BB score. So Im thinking Newton Howard probably worked wonders in restraining Zimmer. There is nothing in BB that screams Zimmer to me, unlike everything else he does, in which I can pick out his work without needing to see his name in the credits.
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AniHawk said:
Well I guess she brought him to jail as we defenitly see him die from Tim, but what happened to her?
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Christopher said:
apparently she is alive even after that as in the last episode of JLU that takes place in Batman Beyond time, there is a flash back to when she was an old woman hired to kill Terry's father.
it depends if that is canon or not, but yeah.
In one of the comics related to the movie, both Andrea and Joker are depicted falling through a manhole into the sewer, similiar to what happens to Batman. Also at the end of the movie you see Andrea standing on a ship in the middle of the ocean, so she survived. And since there was another 50 Batman episodes made after this movie, it's obvious that Joker survived (hell, he survived falling into shark-infested waters in one episode :lol).
I can't recommend Mask of the Phantasm enough...for me it's the definitive comic-based movie. Having said that, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (unedited version) is easily the best depiction of the Clown Prince to date.
I can't recommend Mask of the Phantasm enough...for me it's the definitive comic-based movie. Having said that, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (unedited version) is easily the best depiction of the Clown Prince to date.
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Shinobi said:
very true.
I also the Joker in the Gotham Knights episode Mad Love. Pretty frickin sick in that one, which they actually aired. Timm and Dini won an Eisner award for the comic it started out as.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7cxlSCKHCAE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7cxlSCKHCAE
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Shahadan said:He is everywhere and I still don't know how to spell his name. labouf? labeouf? leboeuf? labiouafouf? DAMN, this is insane. Can't find two people who write his name the same way.
Oh and I hate him
they should just change his name to LaBadass cause thats what he is.
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J2 Cool said:
I HATED when they redesigned the series to make it look like Superman: TAS - Joker suffered the most from the redesign, he looks retarded. Thankfully in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker they got the design down right.
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