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alstein said:
Yes, but Tekken has a much larger percentage of stock PS3 pad users than anything else.
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Still sucks for all pad players.
Rice-Eater said:
What would be the point of trying to split from the "Capcom FGC" as some like to call it? If it's to gain more exposure for their game and players on stream, people won't tune in without the main Capcom games. But if they just don't want to feel like 2nd class citizens at tournaments and run what they want when they want to, go for it.
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That'd require some monumental effort. Salty Cupcakes first started out with about 300 people per week last year and soon dwindled to a few dedicated 70 or so. Then things sped up a bit around the time of the EVO research drive with 1.5k+ viewers and we had a peak of about 2.5k viewers on the final day of the campaign when Smash won. From then on the hype for the DLC voting kept the viewer count around 1.5k. The average after all the voting finished has been about 800-900 weekly. It's more than ten times the viewers compared to before. It can work for streaming, but I wouldn't dare make a prediction about actual tournament numbers for any game that isn't SG.

I know SG wasn't getting numbers on WNF/The Runback, but with time and hard work Salty managed to get several weeks with fifteen+ participants iirc. It takes work like anything else.
 
dat FGC activism. It's really in these days.

Sorry tekken heads, but fuck DS3s at tournies. Some dick always hits the home button and messes with streamed matches.
 
sleepykyo said:
Kind of, the rarity of rolling motions makes pads quite acceptable. Not to mention that they usually only need 3 or 4 buttons. i.e. No need to deal with bumpers or triggers outside of the using for dual input macros.

I wouldn't be surprised if some Tekken players were used to using dualshocks considering the T5 cabs had slots for ps2 pads.
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oooh

The more you know
Karsticles said:
Skullgirls is coming to PC very soon. Otherwise, just use GGPO to play old stuff like Darkstalkers.
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Or Resurrection which is actually good.
 
It isn't like the numbers for SC5 or TTT2 did well despite aligning with WNF and Battle Circuit. The 3d games just don't draw large numbers for prolonged periods of time in the US.
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It's still better than nothing. The problem is that they're awful spectator games.
 
Tekken players boycotting Evo because of DS3s? I can respect that to some degree.

I really like the stock PS controllers but I can't use them at Evo so I have to use MCZ's fight pads. They're fine for Capcom's games but are inferior for pretty much anything else. There really is no solution for pad players that don't main capcom games currently. While the adapters are an OK solution, they aren't as good as the native controllers IMO.

I don't see the big deal with battery-less DS3s though. That solves the issue but I guess Evo doesn't want to do the work of checking it.

And yes, Tekken cabs in Japan had PS2 ports for awhile. Some might still have it. Soccer games do too, lol.
 
kirblar said:
It's still better than nothing. The problem is that they're awful spectator games.
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People have come together by the thousands to watch much worse. Try putting Skullgirls on between Mahvel and SF at EVO and you'll probably get death threats despite the fact that thousands would love to watch it at EVO lol.
 
SolarPowered said:
People have come together by the thousands to watch much worse. Try putting Skullgirls on between Mahvel and SF at EVO and you'll probably get death threats despite the fact that thousands would love to watch it at EVO lol.
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It's a problem with 3D games being difficult to follow. People could get into KOF XIII even though the series/IP is nonexistant in the US.
 
I think SG is in a good spot to grow right now with the PC version.

It's going to get support, which is something no other fighter outside of AE is going to get right now.
It's also a new IP, so it has more room to grow.

Hori FC3 would be good for Tekken, but those are expensive and rare now.
 
I know I'm a little LTTP but the drama over on TYM over Scorpion is completely insane. As people have already said here, it really does boil down to two divisive stances.

A lot of pros are taking the "he breaks the basic mechanics of the game", which I pretty much agree with. They are also worried that there will be a mass exodus from the game if he is allowed to stick around. I'm sure some of you guys wouldn't even mind since it seems pretty popular to take the piss out of NRS games, but it's bad for the FGC regardless.

The other side is shouting "this is what practice mode is for" and "just be godlike and block everything".

Maybe it will turn into a situation like Japan's stance on ST Akuma where he isn't technically banned, but people don't use him out of respect for the game/community. Then when someone does use him, everyone roots against them to lose. There is already a lot of stigma around "tier whoring" anyway.
 
that evo boycott is hilarious. Go on and boycott another tourney. The Tekken community is easily the community who whines the most. NCR ? I remember that. if the tekken community doesn't get like 3 days with 4/7 rounds and everything else they seem to want to whine about things and boycott. Laughable.
 
SolarPowered said:
People have come together by the thousands to watch much worse. Try putting Skullgirls on between Mahvel and SF at EVO and you'll probably get death threats despite the fact that thousands would love to watch it at EVO lol.
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If you do anything to upset the stream monster flow, it's gonna be a mess for a little while, but then they get tired out. It's like a pouty child, just stay patient, and if all else fails, they'll tantrum themselves to sleep.

On the other hand, there was that Melee tourney that was on stream at some major tourney during prime time and people, marvel fans included, went fucking nuts over the hype.


Enordash said:
I know I'm a little LTTP but the drama over on TYM over Scorpion is completely insane. As people have already said here, it really does boil down to two divisive stances.

A lot of pros are taking the "he breaks the basic mechanics of the game", which I pretty much agree with. They are also worried that there will be a mass exodus from the game if he is allowed to stick around. I'm sure some of you guys wouldn't even mind since it seems pretty popular to take the piss out of NRS games, but it's bad for the FGC regardless.

The other side is shouting "this is what practice mode is for" and "just be godlike and block everything".

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*looks at Vanilla dark phoenix*

yeah, they should just keep playing instead of crying for bans within 2 weeks of the char coming out. I thought this wasn't even gonna be the major, serious Injustice tourney, since it's so soon after launch?
 
Grecco said:
that evo boycott is hilarious. Go on and boycott another tourney. The Tekken community is easily the community who whines the most. NCR ? I remember that. if the tekken community doesn't get like 3 days with 4/7 rounds and everything else they seem to want to whine about things and boycott. Laughable.
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NCR is understandable since it was two days in the past, also vocal minority, it's pretty much only KOR that's whining.
 
The DS3 ban has been around for years. Nobody is boycotting Tekken at EVO because of that. Where are you guys getting this information from to begin with?
 
kirblar said:
It's a problem with 3D games being difficult to follow. People could get into KOF XIII even though the series/IP is nonexistant in the US.
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Everything has an audience and I'd imagine that some Tekken enthusiasts would be all right with having a few thousand dedicated viewers for a weekly instead of constantly trying to get 20k people or esports deals.
kick51 said:
If you do anything to upset the stream monster flow, it's gonna be a mess for a little while, but then they get tired out. It's like a pouty child, just stay patient, and if all else fails, they'll tantrum themselves to sleep.

On the other hand, there was that Melee tourney that was on stream at some major tourney during prime time and people, marvel fans included, went fucking nuts over the hype.
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Yeah, I wasn't completely serious with my statement. I've seen this in effect myself when they started running SG on WNF. People whined and joked the first two weeks, but after a couple more weeks people were just hyped to watch Mike's #YoloFilia. The viewercount still held a steady 4k+ back then.
Enordash said:
I know I'm a little LTTP but the drama over on TYM over Scorpion is completely insane. As people have already said here, it really does boil down to two divisive stances.

A lot of pros are taking the "he breaks the basic mechanics of the game", which I pretty much agree with. They are also worried that there will be a mass exodus from the game if he is allowed to stick around. I'm sure some of you guys wouldn't even mind since it seems pretty popular to take the piss out of NRS games, but it's bad for the FGC regardless.

The other side is shouting "this is what practice mode is for" and "just be godlike and block everything".

Maybe it will turn into a situation like Japan's stance on ST Akuma where he isn't technically banned, but people don't use him out of respect for the game/community. Then when someone does use him, everyone roots against them to lose. There is already a lot of stigma around "tier whoring" anyway.
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I wish I played Injustice. I bet I'd be blocking Scorpion all day. Dudes don't know about them blocking skills I picked up from VSav, SG and Mahvel 3.
 
On the separating topic...


The European Tekken scene is mostly separate from the 2D scene along with most of the countries in the east, where Tekken is huge.

In the US, there have been quite a few successful Tekken only events. Norcal Strongstyle, as far as I know, has always pulled 100+ entrants.

I think more 3D events/majors and the 3D scene separating from the 2D scene would be an overall good move. 2D players cry whenever they have to watch 3D games and the 3D players feel like they have to fight just to get stream time, theres not much overlap between the two playerbases. As it stands, Tekken players only really support 3-4 events throughout the year, and can't make it to any more. So what ends up happening is all of the other majors get awful turnouts for Tekken and everyone gets emo and starts calling Tekken dead until FR, WB, NEC, KiT etc. If there were a few 3D only majors throughout the year, 3D players could focus on those instead of worrying about supporting 20 different events with a scene that can't do that.
 
kick51 said:
If you do anything to upset the stream monster flow, it's gonna be a mess for a little while, but then they get tired out. It's like a pouty child, just stay patient, and if all else fails, they'll tantrum themselves to sleep.

On the other hand, there was that Melee tourney that was on stream at some major tourney during prime time and people, marvel fans included, went fucking nuts over the hype.





*looks at Vanilla dark phoenix*

yeah, they should just keep playing instead of crying for bans within 2 weeks of the char coming out. I thought this wasn't even gonna be the major, serious Injustice tourney, since it's so soon after launch?
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The difference for them is that tey are saying Scorpion changes the meta too much. Phoenix was strong, but you still have invul assist/DHC meta that was just as prevalent.

I think it has to do with a few things

1) Dominates way too many of the cast
2) controls all the interactives
3) Forces his gameplan over everybody else due to MB tp, jump 3, hellfire, and etc.

There is a great fear that people will abandon the game (floe etc) if he is allowed in his current state.
 
Ragingnight said:
The difference for them is that tey are saying Scorpion changes the meta too much. Phoenix was strong, but you still have invul assist/DHC meta that was just as prevalent.

I think it has to do with a few things

1) Dominates way too many of the cast
2) controls all the interactives
3) Forces his gameplan over everybody else due to MB tp, jump 3, hellfire, and etc.

There is a great fear that people will abandon the game (floe etc) if he is allowed in his current state.
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Phoenix did all of this. Phoenix dominated 90 percent of the cast and forced her gameplan. She forced you to have to spend bar to span and kill instead of spending bar to kill characters.
 
alstein said:
Turns out the low Tekken numbers might be due to a boycott of Evo by the Tekken community over Wiz banning DS3's (Even without batteries) from EVO. I understand why it's being done, but I understand why the Tekken community is revolting.
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You'd think successful people like tekken players who have families, full time jobs and excel at other things in life would be smart enough to buy a PS2 controller and a PS2->PS3 controller converter. The converter is very cheap(<$5), and they would not have to worry about shipping time so long as they don't order directly from Hong Kong.
 
onionfrog said:
You'd think successful people like tekken players who have families, full time jobs and excel at other things in life would be smart enough to buy a PS2 controller and a PS2->PS3 controller converter. The converter is very cheap(<$5), and they would have no worry about shipping time so long as they don't order directly from Hong Kong.
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it's assumed they add lag
 
Grecco said:
Phoenix did all of this. Phoenix dominated 90 percent of the cast and forced her gameplan. She forced you to have to spend bar to span and kill instead of spending bar to kill characters.
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There were interactives in marvel?

The Phoenix meta did not make DHC/Invul assist teams irrelevant though. They were just as good. Spending a bar doesn't mean holding down to avoid a +9 on block move and risk eating an unblockable projectile. If you jumped then scorp can react with a tp.

Thats is their argument. That you can't 1) zone or 2) rush him down. The only character that fight him well are characters that can deal with the TP (WW, AM and Frost from what I hear).

kick51 said:
Did the testers work on the DLC characters or is Scorpion purely a NRS creation?
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pure NRS. None of the testers touched any of the DLC according to REO, Pig and Brady.

Anth0ny said:
are people really calling for a character ban less than a month after the character dlc was released

really

realy
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Didn't EVO ban Skarlet and CO from MK9 because they were release too soon?
 
Grecco said:
that evo boycott is hilarious. Go on and boycott another tourney. The Tekken community is easily the community who whines the most. NCR ? I remember that. if the tekken community doesn't get like 3 days with 4/7 rounds and everything else they seem to want to whine about things and boycott. Laughable.
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ChrisG fanboys echoing his sentiments about the PS3 surpassed anything the Tekken players said that weekend.
 
Anth0ny said:
That is fair

but people on my twitter are talking like he's the second coming of Akuma

after less than a month
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I think its just that its plain to see that he doesn't "fit" in his current state into the game mechanics. That there hasn't been an MK game where you hold back to block a TP. People are saying the TP is 7 frame-when he vanishes off the screen. If thats true I can see why its stupid. The whole character seems to destroy so many archetypes rofl.

You want to zone? nope.

You want to rush down? Better not jump or dash. O and you better not stay still for too long rofl.

edit

This was posted a month ~ ago. According to REO, the game plan is still the same because nobody can do anything about him jumping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EsA1nzntsww
 
alstein said:
it's assumed they add lag
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The lag seems pretty negligible to me, so long as you get a quality converter.

Anyways, they should know that wireless controllers aren't allowed. For good reason IMO.
vulva said:
Remember how Sentinel was too overpowered and had to be fixed asap?
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Remember when people though team ASS (Arthur/Storm/Sentinel) was great?
The early days of vanilla mvc3 were funny
 
... Does anyone have an excerpt from a few tekken people saying they are boycotting solely on controller issues.

Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
Malice215 said:
The DS3 ban has been around for years. Nobody is boycotting Tekken at EVO because of that. Where are you guys getting this information from to begin with?
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This.

,,,and people are blowing the NCR "boycott" way out of proportion. Tekken players didn't like the schedule and didn't go. some some people pointed it out on Twitter, that's it.
 
kirblar said:
It's a problem with 3D games being difficult to follow. People could get into KOF XIII even though the series/IP is nonexistant in the US.
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I don't find 3D games difficult to follow. The only games that are difficult to follow are games with common restands. There's nothing hard to understand about what's going on during Tekken. People just footsy around and then throw out a punch/kick. From a viewer standpoint, that's all that is needed to comprehend the game. Viewers don't need to know game mechanics to follow a game.

SolarPowered said:
oooh

The more you know

Or Resurrection which is actually good.
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Is Resurrection on PC?

Grecco said:
Phoenix did all of this. Phoenix dominated 90 percent of the cast and forced her gameplan. She forced you to have to spend bar to span and kill instead of spending bar to kill characters.
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This, this, this.

vulva said:
Remember how Sentinel was too overpowered and had to be fixed asap?
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atomic moth said:
Wasn't Capcom already working on the Sentinel patch before the game was released?


Also, who's making up shit about controllers?
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From my understand, normal patches have to be submitted to MS/Sony QA. They tend to take about a month-ish. Sentinel was patch about a month in the game. So basically its up in the air really.
 
Karsticles said:
I don't find 3D games difficult to follow. The only games that are difficult to follow are games with common restands. There's nothing hard to understand about what's going on during Tekken. People just footsy around and then throw out a punch/kick. From a viewer standpoint, that's all that is needed to comprehend the game. Viewers don't need to know game mechanics to follow a game.


Is Resurrection on PC?


This, this, this.
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the secret is hosting the file yourself
JwongRant.png


edit: it was showing up as a dead image beforehand, not sure if anyone else had that
 
Anth0ny said:
are people really calling for a character ban less than a month after the character dlc was released

really

realy
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The impression that I'm getting is that this is mostly a problem because Scorp is so good and it's so close to CEO/Evo ... so supposedly people don't have time to figure out how to deal with him.

I'd hope that this discussion wouldn't be happening if this were a launch-day character in question.
 
de1irium said:
The impression that I'm getting is that this is mostly a problem because Scorp is so good and it's so close to CEO/Evo ... so supposedly people don't have time to figure out how to deal with him.

I'd hope that this discussion wouldn't be happening if this were a launch-day character in question.
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but they have as much time as anyone else to learn how to play him
 
de1irium said:
The impression that I'm getting is that this is mostly a problem because Scorp is so good and it's so close to CEO/Evo ... and so people don't have time to figure out how to deal with him.

I'd hope that this discussion wouldn't be happening if this were a launch-day character in question.
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Heh, technically Injustice as a game is too young for Evo but here we are.
 
Horseress said:
Seriously, watch this if you guys think Scorpion is ok. His meta game doesn't belong to this game
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All I see is confirmation of the fact that NRS fans don't know how to block cross-ups.

Edit: Or punish a blocked teleport properly.

kirblar said:
I follow them fine when I'm playing because I can use my character as an anchor. But as a spectator, I lose that anchor, and it becomes somewhat disorienting.
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That's an interesting perspective. I've never had that problem, but I wonder if others do. The only time I lose my "anchor" is when two characters look very similar.
 
I don't find 3D games difficult to follow. The only games that are difficult to follow are games with common restands. There's nothing hard to understand about what's going on during Tekken. People just footsy around and then throw out a punch/kick. From a viewer standpoint, that's all that is needed to comprehend the game. Viewers don't need to know game mechanics to follow a game.
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I follow them fine when I'm playing because I can use my character as an anchor. But as a spectator, I lose that anchor, and it becomes somewhat disorienting.
 
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