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Ragingnight said:
I said personally, its not about how OP or broken he is. Its about how soon he got released from CEO/EVO.

The whole DLC cast was banned in 2011 in mk9. Why is it such a big deal to ban a character that came out just recently.
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If you main any of the 3 dlc you cant really compete in Evo if you ujust ban em that's why its a big deal.
 
Grecco said:
injustice is pretty much zoning only anyways so good that theres characters that kill zoners
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lol what?

Look at all the high tiers/top tiers.

Batman, Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Catwoman, Batgirl, Scorpion, Killer Frost

Where are the zoners? I don't even play the game and I can tell you how full of shit that statement is.

Grecco said:
If you main any of the 3 dlc you cant really compete in Evo if you ujust ban em that's why its a big deal.
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But they did it anyways in 2011. Your point?
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
Nope, he can meter burn to make it safe. Plus the teleport is a 50/50 anyhow with his jumping normals. So you can hold down to block the teleport, but can't punish, but still 50% you're getting hit with an overhead. You try to block or antiair the overhead, you get hit with the teleport.
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You have a poor understanding what a 50/50 is.
 
Karsticles said:
That's true. But I feel that's more of a graphical issue than a game mechanic one. If the movements and defensive options were mo aesthetically pronounced, do you think the same problem would exist? Tekken roughly has wakeup DPs and such (not as good, of course), but it's not as graphically pronounced. Street Fighter does a good job of adding visual flare to make player actions recognizable even to laymen, and that doesn't seem to be the case with VF and Tekken (Soul Calibur seems more pronounced). Would you agree with that?


I think the same thing about Tekken. I thought the game would be a lot more complicated than it is. Tekken is surprisingly simple. From a game mechanics standpoint, I mean. Not characters.
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Maybe but I think it really wouldn't fit. The pace of a VF exchange happens at break-neck speeds so over exaggerating that stuff would kind of ruin the flow and look of the game. So I don't know how they could do it while keeping that VF essence intact.

And yeah, Tekken looks complicated but it really isn't from a basic standpoint. You gotta break a few mindset things to get started but all the systems are easy to learn. The issue? Like other 3D games, it takes a bit longer to get good at it because there's so much you have to parallel process.
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";66245226]Why don't you just hold forward at fullscreen if people that play Injustice can't react to the screen exploding and the camera launching towards them?[/QUOTE]
People aren't complaining about full screen vs scorpion really. Mostly when he's in your face. Full screen is whatever, either teleport or unblockable hellfire. Hellfire is pretty slow unless the scorpion player mbs it so you can react to it.

I really don't care whether he's banned or not.
 
Ragingnight said:
lol what?

Look at all the high tiers/top tiers.

Batman, Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Catwoman, Batgirl, Scorpion, Killer Frost

Where are the zoners? I don't even play the game and I can tell you how full of shit that statement is.



But they did it anyways in 2011. Your point?
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A lot of the characters in your list you just mentioned are REALLY good zoning.


Also my point is saying "whats the big deal in banning dlc" well the big deal is if you use those characters you get boned that's the big deal.

Also saying well they banned MK DLC ignores the fact that AE was allowed a month in. They didn't ban AE and go with Super
 
Grecco said:
He is.
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You mean Infiltration attending CEO? I don't think he is, his name isn't on the spreadsheet and their is no mention of his name while promoting this tournament.

As for Chris G winning AE, he's in the discussion but I wouldn't consider him one of the favorites. Mago and Xian are in attendance along with a lot of the American top 8 regulars like Jwong, Ricky, PR Rog, and Krone. He had a great run at NCR, but he's gotta prove he can do it again.
 
I know Art already said he won't say anything on the matter but I hope he changes his mindd and gives his opinion on Scorpion. Or even Chris G on twitter or something since I'm seeing a lot of NRS players can't block.
 
EarlyEarly said:
I know Art already said he won't say anything on the matter but I hope he changes his mindd and gives his opinion on Scorpion. Or even Chris G on twitter or something since I'm seeing a lot of NRS players can't block.
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Arturo might be under an NDA that prevents him from discussing such.
 
EarlyEarly said:
I know Art already said he won't say anything on the matter but I hope he changes his mindd and gives his opinion on Scorpion. Or even Chris G on twitter or something since I'm seeing a lot of NRS players can't block.
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http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/420521717?t=4h59m20s
So, tournament level players can't block either it seems? I guess it has nothing to do with the character at all. You must have all the answers.

I love how people ignore my evidence. Welcome to Neogaf.
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";66262236]You have a poor understanding what a 50/50 is.[/QUOTE]

No, you hold down to block the teleport, or you hold back to block the jump in. He can do either from the air, and his moves come out so fast you just about can't react to them. Gotta guess which one is coming.
 
Grecco said:
A lot of the characters in your list you just mentioned are REALLY good zoning.


Also my point is saying "whats the big deal in banning dlc" well the big deal is if you use those characters you get boned that's the big deal.

Also saying well they banned MK DLC ignores the fact that AE was allowed a month in. They didn't ban AE and go with Super
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Those characters can zone somewhat but they aren't zoners. If you told anybody that plays injustice that any of those characters are top tier because of zoning they would laugh at you.

What is black adam known for? Divekick trait.
Super? That frame trap ending with breath.
Catwoman? She has projectiles?
Batman? Trait mixup pressure
The list goes on. You're completely wrong about this. Its like saying seth is high tier because he can zone.

Also your AE comparison does not work. AE has been out in the arcades for awhile. It might not have been out on console, but the major part EC and WC did play the game to an extent.

Lastly Scorpion has been out for a month. Are you telling me somebody did not have a main until scorpion came out and then suddenly forgot how to play their old character? Nobody gave two shits when they banned the DLC with MK9, so whats the difference?

Lazy vs Crazy said:
No, you hold down to block the teleport, or you hold back to block the jump in. He can do either from the air, and his moves come out so fast you just about can't react to them. Gotta guess which one is coming.
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He can also whiff cancel it. So there is no commitment. He can just do jump 3 and cancel into a TP before the jump 3 connects.
 
EarlyEarly said:
I know Art already said he won't say anything on the matter but I hope he changes his mindd and gives his opinion on Scorpion. Or even Chris G on twitter or something since I'm seeing a lot of NRS players can't block.
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I remember someone asking him what he thought about Scorpion and his response was to nerf Superman. So either he doesn't care about Scorpion or he really hates Superman heh.
 
also judging from that video, how do you even move?

If you dash he TP (you can't cancel dash into block), if you walk forward he hellfires and it hits. If you jump, he TP and hits you free.

haha this character needs to be nerfed.
 
DRE Fei said:
http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/420521717?t=4h59m20s
So, tournament level players can't block either it seems? I guess it has nothing to do with the character at all. You must have all the answers.

I love how people ignore my evidence. Welcome to Neogaf.
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You misread my post. A few people are saying that NRS players want a ban is because they aren't used to blocking without a button. So I want to know what Capcom players think. I didn't say anything about tournament level NRS players or the character.
 
If Chris G doesn't get 1st in Marvel this weekend that could potentially say something about his preparedness for Evo. At least, depending on who/what he loses to.
 
Smedwicks said:
If Chris G doesn't get 1st in Marvel this weekend that could potentially say something about his preparedness for Evo. At least, depending on who/what he loses to.
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I think Chris G is taking every opportunity ATM to learn matchups with his side teams/characters. I think it'd be easy to call him complacent being at the top, but he's playing it smart because he wants that EVO title bad as much as he may not feel like he does at times when people start ragging on him.
 
EarlyEarly said:
You misread my post. A few people are saying that NRS players want a ban is because they aren't used to blocking without a button. So I want to know what Capcom players think. I didn't say anything about tournament level NRS players or the character.
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The fact that this game does not have a block button is exactly why scorpion doesn't belong in it. Teleport punch breaks the directional blocking mechanic. It's too fast. It's an instant full screen crossup. He's designed for a game with a block button. End of story.

Btw, just because some people mainly play NRS games doesn't mean they ignore other 2d stuff. That's nonsense. Also, it's not just NRS players who want the ban. Injustice has people from many other communities (like me) playing it. Saying "these guys just can't block crossups" is dismissive and doesn't address the argument at all.

I personally hated MK9, but I think Injustice has potential. Certain issues just need to be fixed, so we don't end up with a game that boils down to scorpion vs the 3 characters who counter him.
 
Smedwicks said:
If Chris G doesn't get 1st in Marvel this weekend that could potentially say something about his preparedness for Evo. At least, depending on who/what he loses to.
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It's hard to say, with the nature of how Marvel works it's hard to chalk up a loss in the grand scheme of things.

DRE Fei said:
The fact that this game does not have a block button is exactly why scorpion doesn't belong in it. Teleport punch breaks the directional blocking mechanic. It's too fast. It's an instant full screen crossup. He's designed for a game with a block button. End of story.
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Completely uneducated opinion here, but from what I've seen of this I'm inclined to agree with this particular assessment. Since I don't care ultimately either way though I'm going to try to go out of my way to watch some Injustice this weekend to see how it goes for laughs.
 
DRE Fei said:
The fact that this game does not have a block button is exactly why scorpion doesn't belong in it. Teleport punch breaks the directional blocking mechanic. It's too fast. It's an instant full screen crossup. He's designed for a game with a block button. End of story.

Btw, just because some people mainly play NRS games doesn't mean they ignore other 2d stuff. That's nonsense. Also, it's not just NRS players who want the ban. Injustice has people from many other communities (like me) playing it. Saying "these guys just can't block crossups" is dismissive and doesn't address the argument at all.

I personally hated MK9, but I think Injustice has potential. Certain issues just need to be fixed, so we don't end up with a game that boils down to scorpion vs the 3 characters who counter him.
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Well you better go bring your arguement to the people who don't want him banned.
 
The way that jump attack crosses up looks like something out of Marvel. Of course, there you'd have lots of way to deal with it.
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
No, you hold down to block the teleport, or you hold back to block the jump in. He can do either from the air, and his moves come out so fast you just about can't react to them. Gotta guess which one is coming.
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His fastest teleport is 23 frames. If you can't block that you should probably practice blocking it. And a lot of guys on testyourmight say the in-game frame data display thinks some of Scorpion's moves are faster than they really are.

There are way faster mixups in other games and people block them all the time. Again, you don't understand what a 50-50 is. Wesker doing a low or command grab after slant shot assist is a 50-50. When it's literally impossible to react and there are effectively only two options, it's a 50-50.
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";66282146]His fastest teleport is 23 frames. If you can't block that you should probably practice blocking it. And a lot of guys on testyourmight say the in-game frame data display thinks some of Scorpion's moves are faster than they really are.

There are way faster mixups in other games and people block them all the time. Again, you don't understand what a 50-50 is. Wesker doing a low or command grab after slant shot assist is a 50-50. When it's literally impossible to react and there are effectively only two options, it's a 50-50.[/QUOTE]

Not on reaction they don't.
 
enzo_gt said:
I think Chris G is taking every opportunity ATM to learn matchups with his side teams/characters. I think it'd be easy to call him complacent being at the top, but he's playing it smart because he wants that EVO title bad as much as he may not feel like he does at times when people start ragging on him.
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Then he gets bopped twice in a row by Random wolverines.
 
Warpticon said:
Not on reaction they don't.
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I take offense to this are you saying I can't block overheads ever and this entire time I've been abusing my secret psychic powers I didn't know i had in order to block overheads in almost every fighting game?

By your logic, Ky and Slayer's dust in guilty gear are unblockable
 
QisTopTier said:
I take offense to this are you saying I can't block overheads ever and this entire time I've been abusing my secret psychic powers I didn't know i had in order to block overheads in almost every fighting game?

By your logic, Ky and Slayer's dust in guilty gear are unblockable
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I can't tell if this is serious or not.
 
Warpticon said:
I can't tell if this is serious or not.
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It's half serious, I'm pointing out how stupid the claim you are making is.

You shouldn't group your own ability to not do something and speak for everyone.

Please don't make me go pull up a fuck ton of overhead data from different games. I rather not waste my time.
 
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