Professor Beef
Banned
No, but I don't appreciate blanket statements like that.
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No, but I don't appreciate blanket statements like that.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
So people actually do Fox/no items/Final Destination? Kinda thought that was a meme with no basis in reality to be honest.
Professor Beef
Banned
Sometimes.
Professor Beef
Banned
Melee is the better fighter, but Brawl is the better overall package.
It's long since ascended its origins and spread like wildfire but I've known more than a few people who wouldn't do anything but Fox mirror matches on Final Destination. Obviously anecdotal, but they do exist, somewhere.
That said those who decry the competitive community are often just as awful about demanding casual play as the few who insist the game should be built around the Fox/FD/No Items playstyle.
Just let people play the game how they want to and everyone's happier.
Hi!
Just stopping in to say that the idea that "extreme randomness is anti-competitive" is false. Its just a matter of preference about what you want to compete in. I, for one, don't mind attempting to manipulate odds against both random factors and my opponent simultaneously. Some hate this, though, and while I respect your choice to not play a game with a lot of randomness, please don't go around telling people that randomness is anti-competitive.
Something is competitive because people want to compete at it (for fun, money, pride, whatever). It has nothing to do with with actual rules/contents of the game/sport.
Love you!
Just stopping in to say that the idea that "extreme randomness is anti-competitive" is false. Its just a matter of preference about what you want to compete in. I, for one, don't mind attempting to manipulate odds against both random factors and my opponent simultaneously. Some hate this, though, and while I respect your choice to not play a game with a lot of randomness, please don't go around telling people that randomness is anti-competitive.
Something is competitive because people want to compete at it (for fun, money, pride, whatever). It has nothing to do with with actual rules/contents of the game/sport.
Love you!
KittenMaster
Member
I agree with this. I remember starting to feel that Brawl with items probably would've made a better competitive game than without despite many arguments that it wouldn't be more balanced, simply because it would give much needed offensive options in a game where defensive mechanics are too strong. I don't know if this was ever tested though because the support for no-item gameplay is very strong so I could be very wrong.
At the same time, tripping is a bad random element since it's frequent enough and punishing enough to discourage fast ground movement (which some characters depend on as well), so it's awesome that's gone for the next game.
Karsticles
Member
When people say it's anti-competitive, they mean the game is not designed to demonstrate skillfulness, which is the inherent base of all good competition. Randomness of any kind is anti-competitive.
Vermillion
Banned
Brawl is funner, imo.
Oh, and Kirby's better in Brawl, so.
Oh, and Kirby's better in Brawl, so.
Awesome. I love getting some insight on how he chooses characters. Its still based on a bit of luck imo but its interesting.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Pretty much this, but are you saying that tripping isn't anti-competitive?
That's just not true. Plenty of competitive games use the RNG.
Red Arremer
Member
He's one of the top characters in 64, tho. =p
New question for people.
Alternate costumes! In Brawl Wario was the only one that really had one so what would you think would make for cool alternate costumes this time around? I'm not going to mention anything like clones (that whole space animals thing I talked about a long time ago), the basis here is alternate costumes your character has appeared in. An example coming from the redesign thread would be Marth:
I believe this is how he looks like in the FE remakes, and I personally think he looks awesome and much better than the Awakening version. So if alt. costumes are incorporated in any way I would like to see this version of him.
Other fun ones would be, Mario looking like the referee from Punch-Out!, Dr. Mario would also be another, if Ike comes back then he can have his lord promotion clothes or his RD outfit, Samus on the other hand could maybe have that classic green haired pink leotard as an option for ZSS and a bunch of different suits for her armored version. What do you guys think?
Alternate costumes! In Brawl Wario was the only one that really had one so what would you think would make for cool alternate costumes this time around? I'm not going to mention anything like clones (that whole space animals thing I talked about a long time ago), the basis here is alternate costumes your character has appeared in. An example coming from the redesign thread would be Marth:
I believe this is how he looks like in the FE remakes, and I personally think he looks awesome and much better than the Awakening version. So if alt. costumes are incorporated in any way I would like to see this version of him.
Other fun ones would be, Mario looking like the referee from Punch-Out!, Dr. Mario would also be another, if Ike comes back then he can have his lord promotion clothes or his RD outfit, Samus on the other hand could maybe have that classic green haired pink leotard as an option for ZSS and a bunch of different suits for her armored version. What do you guys think?
Professor Beef
Banned
I guess technically Pikachu has alt costumes. =P
I wouldn't mind seeing:
- Lucario with what's-his-name's hat from the movie
- Dry Bowser
- Peach with her Striker's uniform
- Lucas with Ness' hat? I dunno
- Galactic Knight or whatever Super Metaknight was called
- Boshi/Yoshi
And for fuck's sake, give the playable Pokemon their shiny coloring for once.
I wouldn't mind seeing:
- Lucario with what's-his-name's hat from the movie
- Dry Bowser
- Peach with her Striker's uniform
- Lucas with Ness' hat? I dunno
- Galactic Knight or whatever Super Metaknight was called
- Boshi/Yoshi
And for fuck's sake, give the playable Pokemon their shiny coloring for once.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
New question for people.
Alternate costumes! In Brawl Wario was the only one that really had one so what would you think would make for cool alternate costumes this time around? I'm not going to mention anything like clones (that whole space animals thing I talked about a long time ago), the basis here is alternate costumes your character has appeared in. An example coming from the redesign thread would be Marth:
I believe this is how he looks like in the FE remakes, and I personally think he looks awesome and much better than the Awakening version. So if alt. costumes are incorporated in any way I would like to see this version of him.
Other fun ones would be, Mario looking like the referee from Punch-Out!, Dr. Mario would also be another, if Ike comes back then he can have his lord promotion clothes or his RD outfit, Samus on the other hand could maybe have that classic green haired pink leotard as an option for ZSS and a bunch of different suits for her armored version. What do you guys think?
That would be cool, but I would rather them to focusing on making models for new characters since they are trying to fill out a lot of characters as they can. I sincerely hope that Marth's costume would be like that picture that you posted.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
So the next big announcement for Smash 4 is probably around TGS I suppose?
Shadow Hog
Member
I dunno; does Nintendo ever bother with TGS? I swear they've skipped past years.
Poltergust
Member
While I can understand where you're coming from with this, someone shouldn't lose because they tripped or a Bob-Omb randomly spawned in front of them.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Probably, or they could have Nintendo Direct nearly GamesCon.
I don't know. I have FE:A but I haven't play the game. Can you show me the concept art of his costume.
That is exactly how they should loose.
Funniest results. My favorites when they accidentally are riding a box.
Marth looks fucking awesome in Awakening.
What was the online community like for Brawl? CoD type mega assholes? Ruthlessly skilled? Evenly balanced?
I never played it online. If I get this for Wii U I'd be playing online matches 99% of the time. But I really don't want to be anywhere near megacompetitive morons. I enjoy fun.
I never played it online. If I get this for Wii U I'd be playing online matches 99% of the time. But I really don't want to be anywhere near megacompetitive morons. I enjoy fun.
Nonexistent thanks to poor netcode. The random matchup mode had items on by default too, so things got really hectic.
These all sound awesome. Lucas already had a Claus alt, I guess that's the most he'd get unless they start using other characters? Pikachu could have Pichu/Raichu, maybe even Ash's hat, and other anime items that make a bit more sense than some random goggles and the like. The Pokemon Trainer himself has a lot of options as well, and as for the pokemon themselves I honestly never understood why shiny colors weren't alts before.
Eesh hope they get the netcode straightened out with this one.
I'd be into the all items on thing. My fear is it turns out that everyone starts picking one stage with no items and the online community just turns into some sort of xp grind or something.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Marth looks fine in Awakening.
I cannot say the same for Ike.
I cannot say the same for Ike.
Items on wasn't really an issue except for the part where you just exploded because of a bomb someone threw two seconds ago that you're just now seeing spawn.
I wouldn't be worried about them shackling some kind of progression to online MP though, seems to go against Sakurai's philosophies on online play.
...what, really?
Subjective obviously and I prefer buff manly Ike, but I still prefer that over Marth's Awakening art.
Green Mamba
Member
Charizard and Lucario are the only two playable Pokemon in Brawl that don't have their shiny colors near as I can tell.
EDIT: Ike's design in Awakening if fucking putrid, but it may have more to do with it just being an absolutely terrible piece of art.
That is fine, lucario's shiny is terrible.
Dude, what?
Marth's awakening art looks great. Ike's is really messed up (sword arm, non-existent neck and strangely proportioned legs)
Squirtle and Ivysaur did, though the rest didn't.
I can't stand that face. That hideous, soulless face.
Green Mamba
Member
Hm?
Pikachu's shiny colors are just slightly darker orange tints, his red hat costume matches it pretty closely.
Jigglypuff's shiny color has a cooler pink color with green eyes, matches its sun hat costume perfectly.
Squirtle's shiny has a green shell, matches the green colored Pokemon Trainer team to a T.
Ivysaur's green color in Brawl is pretty close to its shiny colors as well.
Like I said, I'm pretty sure Lucario and Charizard are the only two without them.
PorygonVandal
Member
Nintendo is attending Gamescom, so it's possible to see a new trailer around that time
Some of them are almost close to their shiny colors
Red pikachu
Ivysaur with the green colors
Squirtle with the green colors
And I think jiggly with leaf's hat
Poltergust
Member
What the... it wasn't just my eyesight going batty? He really has a sword for an arm?
What the... it wasn't just my eyesight going batty? He really has a sword for an arm?
Nah it's just a very bad perspective
What the... it wasn't just my eyesight going batty? He really has a sword for an arm?
He's holding it, the hilt is just covered by the cape.
Green Mamba
Member
What the... it wasn't just my eyesight going batty? He really has a sword for an arm?
He doesn't, it's just a terribly drawn picture with no sense of perspective.
I hope so. Something, anything, would be really nice.
PorygonVandal
Member
LITTLE MAC!
Aeriscloud
Banned
I never said they weren't, and I never said the tournament circuit was a bad thing. I love watching them play, and would love to see how I would against them myself in some of the lower tournaments, but I have no idea where or how to go about this.