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Index (Atlus) entering into a restructuring bankruptcy; looking to transfer/sell
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^This is the most important thing.
I hope you never want to play a sequel to anything, because you wouldn't get it with Marvelous/XSEED.
It would be ideal, especially since Atlus themselves weren't the problem that caused this mess, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. Fingers crossed.
Psycho_Mantis
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Sony or Nintendo buying them is better then letting them die but they are still the second worse option as either the SMT and EO fans will have to buy another console or the Persona fans will have to buy another console.
Even if they did go to another first-party, that won't break the contract (unless there is a change of control clause, which is probably doubtful)
Not to the corporation fanboys. It's is join my team or fuck em.
I'm not 100% on how things work but isn't it possible that their current contracts can go null when they're bought out?
We got all the Rune Factory games though!
Almost all of the Harvest Moon games as well!!!
"Look guys, we would totally love to localizate Persona 5, but it´s too much work, we could go bankrupt. Here is Unchained Blades III instead, buy it!".
I would support it. Where do I buy GAF stock? ;-)
Crash Station
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With how Nintendo treats their other subsidiaries, I highly doubt it would be a good idea for them to buy Atlus. Output would drastically decrease to maybe a game a year and a bunch of people would probably get laid off.
it really weirds me out to see people wanting nintendo to buy them, and to a lesser extent, sony. and that's not me puffing a fanboy chest. it makes little sense for me to want them restricted to weaker hardware (i have 2 3DSs and a Wii U too). i'd rather see atlus continue to be a multiplatform developer/publisher.
Freeza Under The Shower
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they could just go independent as a publisher?
because that's the only way that's gonna happen. unless Sony Japan is feeling generous or something. SEGA might be a better fit than most people care to admit.
Generally when you purchase a company, contracts move with the company.
However, if you purchase the assets of a company, you have to actually purchase the contracts as well. Index would not sale the gaming side of Atlus unless the purchaser takes on the contracts. This is because if Index remains party to the contract with Nintendo, after selling their gaming assets, Index would remain liable to fulfil the contract despite having no development studios. (unless Index has some kind of insolvency break clause)
lunchwithyuzo
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How about Level-5? They're probably the biggest Japanese publisher now that doesn't have a western (retail) publishing branch so Atlus USA would be an attractive asset to them (and thus Atlus USA would be likely to stay intact). They're also an RPG focused developer and publisher (like Atlus), they're chiefly 3DS focused with a little notable Vita/console support on the side (like Atlus), but there's not much redundancy with their products or audiences so aquiring Atlus would be a real growth opportunity for them in that respect (and thus Atlus RD1 would be likely to stay intact).
Seems like it could be a win/win for both sides?
Seems like it could be a win/win for both sides?
can you imagine an operation rainfall for this? Atlus always localizes niche games. This would be region locked and never released. A mess
I dont want to BEG for games that are usually localized. Everyone loses
NeonZ
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We don't know how their arrangement was done. Either way, the contract could certainly become meaningless if Atlus/Index dies and and the assets start being sold separately.
Going with a first party certainly wouldn't be for the best, but that reasoning is just senseless. Look at Atlus output on the PS3 so far. Do you really think they're going to jump to the PS4 anytime soon? They haven't even completely transitioned to last gen yet.
Psycho_Mantis
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I doubt they would even fund stuff like Catherine.
SpaceBridge
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This thread has been an emotional roller coaster. I have to admit, I'm actually pretty upset by this news. I discovered SMT and Persona games late but they quickly became a one of my favorite series.
I need clarification though on if the NA release of SMTIV and EO1 remake will be effected?
I need clarification though on if the NA release of SMTIV and EO1 remake will be effected?
Makes sense, so even if a 1st party such as Sony bought them, they would still have to finish work on SMTxFE because Sony bought the contract along with their IPs. Wouldn't that mean Sony's name would appear in the credits?
You mean like P4A in Europe?
Cornbread78
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dat install base... yeah, that'll push systems and sales.....
That is exactly why anther pub has to buy them, I've seen the light...
Atlus doesnt have a EU branch right?
I will genuinely be really upset if someone starts messing about with their products (Particularly the ones I really care about).
Nope. Have to wait for an EU company to release their stuff. Really sucks.
Makes sense, so even if a 1st party such as Sony bought them, they would still have to finish work on SMTxFE because Sony bought the contract along with their IPs. Wouldn't that mean Sony's name would appear in the credits?
Yes.
I'm sorry. I don't want them to end up being anyones exclusive. But I don't really see how Atlus would be limited by weaker hardware. Their strenghts aren't really in pushing hardware.
Except that Nintendo has learned its lesson. Why else would they be localizing a game for another company?
oh yeah that explains why Scamco stepped in with Demons
Well this was posted before. SMT4 seems fine, EO demo seems fine so I'm assuming the full game will be fine.Atlus has confirmed as much already via its official Twitter feed.
My translation off the cuff, from bottom to top:
"The PlayStation 3/PlayStation Vita versions of Dragon's Crown, both the retail and digital download versions, are set to be released on July 25 as it was originally scheduled. We apologize for worrying our users."
"Multiplayer and save data sharing functionality for Dragon's Crown is conducted via the PlayStation Network. Because of this, multiplayer services are guaranteed."
"Additionally, downloadable content that's currently in development for Shin Megami Tensei IV, as well as the retail and demo releases for Etrian Odyssey: The Millennium Girl [not sure what the official localized title is, but it's the remake] are set to proceed for the time being."
A few sentences were trimmed down for efficiency, but that's the long and short of it.
lunchwithyuzo
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You might have a point if SMT and Persona were as big as DQ and MH, but they're not. I don't see a bidding war really over Atlus, and what you seem to missing is that as conservative as NCL is, SCEJA is even more conservative when it comes to investment. As little as MS cares about Japan, Sony seems to care only slightly more. I'm sorry, Sony's track record in the region just doesn't support the sort of scenario you obviously want to happen.
What sucks even more is that NIS America publish some, not many, but some games in EU. Atlus just can't be bothered.
My point:
* Atlus don't appear to have any qualms about releasing region-locked games on hardware that is region-free if the option arises.
* I have more faith in Nintendo releasing titles in Europe than I do Atlus.
From *my* standpoint, Nintendo buying them would be an improvement over the status quo. Now, I grant you that other companies taking over might also be better (it'll depend somewhat on the management situation after whatever happens... happens), but from a European point of view, the current status quo was not a good situation.
lordfroakie
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My first SMT game was Last Bible :x
Crash Station
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No more than Tales of Vesperia, and that didn't do much either.
NeonZ
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Why do people overestimate Persona so much? None of the PS2 games even reached 500k in Japan.
After what Microsoft have been doing to other first party developers, I'd rather them not go anywhere near Atlus.
lunchwithyuzo
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They'd definitely fund it (NCL funds TONS of more niche projects), but NOA might not bring it over. :/
I get what you're saying, but I don't really agree. Graphics are all about optimisation. It's not like Atlus say "We'll make this texture this size because we're a small company", they'll be pushing their own work as far as they can take it. On more powerful hardware, this means they'll be able to take it further.
no one is here for that
Can you imagine them getting RARE'd?
I think they have learnt their lesson from Rare. Look at Twisted Pixel. They make niche, weird downloadable games. MS are seemingly letting them do what they want.
As of 2011, Splosion Man has sold 500,000. It's been stated earlier that Atlus's games aren't big sellers.
this is why no nintendo buy out plz dont want another P3P ever again
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