vas_a_morir
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Did you get any black-eye swelling? How common is that?
George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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Did you get any black-eye swelling? How common is that?
People are forgetting that Zimmerman has a record of violent behavior, including domestic violence and assaulting a police officer. There were also complaints against him from neighbors who lived nearby because of his violent behavior.
I think too many people have bought into the notion of Martin as a bad kid. They're forgetting that the individual who shot him dead actually has a criminal record of violent behavior. Hunting down a teen and starting an altercation with them fits into his M.O. perfectly.
I don't see a nose on the back of his head, smartguy, but maybe it was bashed in by the force of all that headbanging.
Zimmerman knows. Zimmerman knows exactly what the fuck happened that night.
And by all accounts, It looks like he's fucking with the truth to save his own ass.
BloodMoney
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Explain... how has he fucked with the truth?
vas_a_morir
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Was screaming for help while getting pummeled from above part of his M.O., too?
What is his 'violent history' anyway?
OrangeYouGlad
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Is there any clear detail on how Zimmerman had his gun presented? Was it in a holster on his side, in plain view in his hand or hidden?
I'm sure there's no eye witness account prior to the encounter, but that would be one of the defining factors in how Martin perceived his intentions. Anyone walking towards me with a gun, holstered or held, would instantly make me believe they're a threat.
I'm sure there's no eye witness account prior to the encounter, but that would be one of the defining factors in how Martin perceived his intentions. Anyone walking towards me with a gun, holstered or held, would instantly make me believe they're a threat.
We don't, that's true. That is up for them to prove one way or the other. I don't think even the prosecution believe that Zimmerman was doing anything like that while following him though. Or else it would be the entire focal point already. Besides, surely Martin would have mentioned it to the girl on the phone, and surely had he done so she would have mentioned that in court.
You certainly can't shoot someone just because they approach you. No one is saying that at all. Likewise, just because someone is following you doesn't give you the legal right to approach them and beat their ass. Had Zimmerman not shot TM and instead just took a beating (if that is what happened), it would be TM on trial right now (or in some form of legal trouble) instead of Zimmerman. That may sound wrong morally to some, but that's how it is. It would have been a better situation than what we have now at least. That, I believe, everyone can also agree to.
So you now know for certain that it was Z screaming for help? Give me a break.
I already mentioned it. Resisting arrest, beating his g/f and assaulting a police officer.
I got pretty random black eyes from shots to the nose. Those seldom swelled up (just discoloration) but it's hard to parse because often it happened with multiple other blows landing on my face and it's hard to break them down. (boxing)
BloodMoney
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Wait a second, that's a two way street and you seem to only be looking down the Zimmerman lane. In your mind is it out of the realm of possibility that Martin assaulted Zimmerman? Does his thug life persona evident through social media (pictures, txt, twitter, etc - none of which has been allowed in court) not make that a very real possibility?
If today's witness is to believed, getting pummeled from above is very much in question.
vas_a_morir
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I don't know. Nobody does. That's why I don't call him a murderer and say he's guilty, like some.
You know for sure he was beating his g/f? Weren't the charges dropped?
Zoe
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Charges were dropped, mutual restraining orders filed
That's right, it's wise to fear those dangerous thug life kids with their rap car twitters and weed leafs.
Not the grown men with actual documented histories of violence.
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Deleted member 47027
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Zimmerman's?
Since when is a teenager doing stupid poses in a camera the equivalent of a grown ass man beating up women and a cop? I listened to violent music and dumb poses in front of a camera when I was in my teens too. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out and do violent stuff.
Bumblebeetuna
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What did the witness say?
faceless007
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What you call talking like a "thug" is just how a lot of teenagers talk and communicate especially in poor communities; it's the slang they are raised in and grow up in. If that alone were actually evidence of a predilection toward violent behavior, violent crime by teens would be through the roof. To my knowledge, Martin has no documented history of violence. By contrast, Z does.
BronsonLee
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If Zimmerman wants to be found not guilty, I think he has to take the stand. All the lol witness stuff doesn't mean squat if they contradict his story with no rebuttal.
Didn't see head slamming.
Went from "ground and pound" to "didn't actually see punches."
vas_a_morir
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Said he saw the man in the red jacket was getting beaten up "MMA-Style" and in a "Ground and Pound" fashion from above by the "black guy." Said the guy on the bottom seemed to be the one screaming for help.
Said "It looked like he was raining blows down" on the red jacket guy.
empty vessel
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Provocation will probably be whatever the jury takes it to mean. I don't think there is any legal requirement that provocation must rise to the level that would justify another in using deadly force.
The law does not approve of people provoking violence, and it generally disallows people who provoke violence to use lethal force except (in Florida, at least) under the very narrow circumstances described in my post.
If I goad you into punching me, I cannot use your subsequent violence against me as an excuse to shoot you. That would virtually legalize murder.
Not likely, but I don't really know.
This is my issue with the whole thing. If you are being followed by a car at night, you will immediately think something bad is going to happen. Are they trying to rob you? Hurt you? Who knows. Then that person follows you on foot when you attempt to get away? In addition, this person has a gun. That to me seems like reason enough for Trayvon to defend himself.
Zimmerman is so gonna get off it's not even funny. I'm saying this even without the whole Jenteal witness thing.
I've only been watching the trial recently, so I may be wrong on this, but I still don't know why the prosecution doesn't go hard on the whole following/stalking angle. I mean, the who threw the first punch thing shouldn't be an issue because being stalked by someone in a car at night is in itself an instigation of something. Someone being stalked has the right to think that their life might potentially be in danger and I don't see why this isn't covered hard by the prosecution. I'm pretty sure if anyone in this thread was being stalked by someone in a car over a long period of time they would do something irrational based on fear. I mean, if a man was constantly following a woman in a car over a few blocks, the women after a period of time starts running, and after the man gets out and comes up to the woman she sprays him with mace and kicks him in the balls, should she be charged with assault? I bet most people would say no, but for some reason Trayvon doesn't get that luxury and the whole following angle is superseded by him being some type of thug maliciously waiting in the shadows to beat the shit out of Zimmerman.
Anyway, I won't be surprised in the slightest if Zimmerman gets off and I also wouldn't be surprised if there's some serious rioting when that eventually happens.
I've only been watching the trial recently, so I may be wrong on this, but I still don't know why the prosecution doesn't go hard on the whole following/stalking angle. I mean, the who threw the first punch thing shouldn't be an issue because being stalked by someone in a car at night is in itself an instigation of something. Someone being stalked has the right to think that their life might potentially be in danger and I don't see why this isn't covered hard by the prosecution. I'm pretty sure if anyone in this thread was being stalked by someone in a car over a long period of time they would do something irrational based on fear. I mean, if a man was constantly following a woman in a car over a few blocks, the women after a period of time starts running, and after the man gets out and comes up to the woman she sprays him with mace and kicks him in the balls, should she be charged with assault? I bet most people would say no, but for some reason Trayvon doesn't get that luxury and the whole following angle is superseded by him being some type of thug maliciously waiting in the shadows to beat the shit out of Zimmerman.
Anyway, I won't be surprised in the slightest if Zimmerman gets off and I also wouldn't be surprised if there's some serious rioting when that eventually happens.
Dropped charges doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I guess him assaulting a police officer doesn't matter? Howabout resisting arrest? What about his neighbors complaining about his violent tactics in their neighborhood? What about his ridiculous number of 911 calls? How about chasing down a teenager with a loaded weapon?
Yet we're fixated on a teenager who stuck out his middle finger while taking a picture?
Dude Abides
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But he "clarified" that he didn't actually see or hear anyone punching anyone.
vas_a_morir
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Said it looked like it. Just heard the quote.
I never cared about Trayvon's past. It really doesn't matter in this case. Say he was a legit thug who dealt drugs, I still wouldn't care.
methane47
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He said it looked like it, that he saw arms going up then down. He simply conceded that he couldn't exactly see fists hitting flesh.
Dubbmobile
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Zimmerman himself won't be called to testify right?
bob_arctor
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Sigh.
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Deleted member 47027
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It would be very stupid for the defense to do that. He might, stupid things DO happen, but it would be foolish.
Zimmerman's account of events does not match with witness testimony. There are holes to his story. If he was on bottom getting slammed on concrete, he wouldn't have been able to yell for help had he been beated as viciously as he describes. Especially with Trayvon covering his mouth as he claims.
Also being slammed on the concrete as he said would leave more damaging results than two scratches on the back of his head. It betrays intellegence to claim that.
Some want to discredit Jantel's testimoney but want to take Zimmerman's accounts as gospel.. He was directly involved in the incident, his story is completely one-sided. And there is no opposition besides witness accounts and their damn shaky on their own right...
PotatoeMasher
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From where GZ parked to where the shooting occurred was going from someone's front yard to going to the back yard. He was on the phone with 911 during that time. If he ran anywhere it would have had to have been in circles. Unless there was a dead end somewhere, anyone running an opposite direction would have gotten away. Some of what you say could very well have been the case (fear for life, stopping to fight), but the facts of the crime scene appear to show that TM either lingered in the area where GZ was making the phone call or ran away and decided to go back for some reason.
I hate to come across as defending GZ as that's not really my thing, but people just seem to be content around complete bullshit as long as it fits whatever outcome they wish.
What about in a case where the response after being provoked rises to the level of deadly force? I imagine they must be able to address a situation where someone provokes a physical response but not necessarily deadly force. Obviously the defense has some work to do in showing Zimmerman was subjected to such force but if they do I can't see how such force wouldn't need to be justified beyond a rather vague concept of provocation.
Zimmerman also had another account where he said he went back to his car, and Martin "ambushed" him.
Zimmerman is a liar, and has been lying from the beginning. He's a sociopath who has gotten away with everything he has ever done wrong. If he gets off on this, he'll probably harm or kill someone else.
Zimmerman is a liar, and has been lying from the beginning. He's a sociopath who has gotten away with everything he has ever done wrong. If he gets off on this, he'll probably harm or kill someone else.
Jackben
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Why is it that people cannot express anger or disappointment about a possible not-guilty verdict without it being ominously referred to as 'serious threats of rioting'? No one has said they are going to riot, where the hell are people getting this from? I guess people upset on GAF or expressing disgust on twitter and social media are engaged in "pre-planning violent rioting".
methane47
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Somebody shoot this chick, she is clearly a criminal just WAITING to assault someone
WTF?
Teenagers do stupid things to make them appear "Hard" or "tough". That is the world we live in.
The valedictorian of my class (and also one of my best friends) was part of a club called "Killa Army". Does this mean he wants to assault people on the way home from the gas station? NOOOOooo
vas_a_morir
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She should be shot for that joke.
Dude Abides
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Not clear. I was thinking they would need him to tell his side, but now with these witnesses not being strong for the prosecution they may just rely on the pictures of his head and possibly the grass stains on his back.
PotatoeMasher
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I'm considering self-harm for continuing to reload this thread.
I'm merely pointing out the double standard here. Zimmerman's actual violent past is almost never heard about, yet Martin's "gangsta" lifestyle is brought up constantly. Almost as if being an urban youth is a capitol crime, punishable by death.
thanks for posting.
does anyone even say "homey" anymore? I mean I say to friends when im being stupid but out in public, to strangers?
DragonSworne
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I don't understand this part.
What evidence is there to say TM came back? I don't understand the timeline.
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Somebody shoot this chick, she is clearly a criminal just WAITING to assault someone
WTF?
You're just asking for Canadian women to come after you
methane47
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I'm not the one saying that Trayvon ran. Those are Zimmerman's Words. And by his OWN admission he followed.
Personal story:
I was walking home one night at 12. A car was following me and a friend. we were suspicious of what was happening, but did not take any action until the car turned their lights off and continued following us. At that time we hit a corner of a street and we RAN and found a hiding spot. It was instinct. We ran and hid.
I can assume that Trayvon did something similar. Someone is following me?! RUN AND HIDE!
I'm not suggesting that they were running for 5 minutes. All i'm saying is Trayvon was the one who tried to retreat. Tried to get away from danger. Trayvon was the one who tried to get out of sight.
While Zim is the one who plowed directly into the confrontation. Its just not right given the circumstances that he can claim self defense for something he provoked.
empty vessel
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That's what the exceptions are for. But they are very narrow. For obvious reasons, the law doesn't want to encourage people provoking violence, so, if you do provoke violence, you lose the right to use lethal force except under very narrow circumstances.
See the exceptions. I bolded parts of them in my first post on this subject.
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