NFL player Aaron Hernandez connected to murder [Charged with murder + other charges]

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What a fucking idiot. $40m contact, a fiancee, and a newborn child. Just throw it away over what I bet is some stupid shit or grudge.
 
Acid08 said:
What a fucking idiot. $40m contact, a fiancee, and a newborn child. Just throw it away over what I bet is some stupid shit or grudge.
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Well, the more we hear its more like this guy has straight up been a gangbanger at least back to high school. Obviously he really was about that life.
 
http://outkickthecoverage.com/aaron-hernandez-charged-with-first-degree-murder.php

Now let's dive into Aaron Hernandez's past, who is this guy, how did he get to the point where he'd be facing first degree murder charges at 23? Were there any clues he might be a bad guy?

Yes.

Unless, that is, you happened to be Florida head coach Urban Meyer.
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Of course, Meyer's famously lax discipline wasn't just noticed by media, fans, and opposing coaches.

It was also noted by his former star cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who was tossed off the team by Meyer's replacement, Will Muschamp.

"No doubt, if Coach Meyer were still coaching, I'd still be playing for the Gators," says Jenkins, whom Muschamp booted from UF's team after being arrested twice for possession of marijuana during the offseason. "Coach Meyer knows what it takes to win."

Indeed.

There's no disputing Meyer's coaching abillity. but has Urban Meyer avoided disciplining his players in the public arena?

There's zero doubt.

And can you argue that Aaron Hernandez's problems three years later might have something to do with the cushy treatment he received from Meyer at Florida? After all, Hernandez had multiple failed drug tests, was put on probation for a bar fight as a freshman, had substantial gang-related connections, and was questioned about a double shooting on campus.

What did Meyer do to Hernandez for all these public incidents?

He suspended him for one game.

One game!

But, remember, there were no "bad guys" at Florida while Urban Meyer was there.

Just bad guy reporters.

Right.

Maybe Urban can be a character witness at Hernandez's murder trial.
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3rd man sought in slaying of associate of former Patriots player Aaron Hernandez:

Authorities are searching for a third suspect in connection to the slaying of 27-year-old Odin L. Lloyd, calling Ernest Wallace, 41, “armed and dangerous.”

In a statement, the Bristol District Attorney’s Office said that Wallace is wanted on a charge of accessory after the murder of Lloyd, a 27-year-old Dorchester man who was allegedly shot to death by former Patriots player Aaron Hernandez on June 17.

Wallace has a “very heavy build” and was last seen driving a silver or gray Chrysler 300 with a Rhode Island license plate of 451-375, police said.

Anyone who spots Wallace is asked to call North Attleborough police at 508-695-1212.

The statement did not list a hometown for Wallace, and North Attleborough police and the Bristol District Attorney’s Office had no comment beyond the advisory.

David Procopio, a State Police spokesman, said that Wallace is most recently from Connecticut, and the section of the advisory that mentions “active felony warrants in Massachusetts” refers to the Lloyd case only.

Wallace also goes by the names “BO” and “Fish” and has ties to Connecticut, Georgia, Florida, and Massachusetts, according to the statement. The advisory did not detail Wallace’s alleged role after Lloyd’s death.

At his arraignment Wednesday in Attleboro District Court, Hernandez pleaded not guilty to murder and five firearms-related charges.

Carlos Ortiz, a 27-year-old man who lives in Bristol, was arrested Wednesday in Connecticut, waived extradition, and now faces charges of carrying a firearm without a license in Attleboro District Court.

Procopio said late Thursday that Ortiz had not yet been returned to Massachusetts.

“That is expected to occur soon,” he said.
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cdyhybrid said:
FTFY
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Right because that's the first and only college sports program to have serious problems... let's ignore half a dozen cases from just the last few years ranging from athletes enrolled in fake classes at North Carolina to kids getting raped at Penn State.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Right because that's the first and only college sports program to have serious problems... let's ignore half a dozen cases from just the last few years ranging from athletes enrolled in fake classes at North Carolina to kids getting raped at Penn State.
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Right, because that is exactly what I said.

We're talking about player discipline here, so that Penn State reference doesn't check out. Urban Meyer has a reputation even among college football coaches for letting his players go unchecked.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Right because that's the first and only college sports program to have serious problems... let's ignore half a dozen cases from just the last few years ranging from athletes enrolled in fake classes at North Carolina to kids getting raped at Penn State.
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Mark Richt doesn't put up with bullshit like this. Georgia get's a lot of flack for having so many disciplinary actions every year but it's because we are one of the only teams that doesn't look the other way. Urban Meyer and anyone else who does what he does are scumbags for sure though. Especially Urban Meyer, he quit when the going got tough and then totally left his family after telling them he quit for them to go get another head coaching job.
 
A bit messed up to imply (in part) that Hernandez wouldn't be a murder suspect if Meyer was tougher on him as a coach.
 
Trey said:
A bit messed up to imply (in part) that Hernandez wouldn't be a murder suspect if Meyer was tougher on him as a coach.
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I doubt it really has much to do with it but I think the line of thinking is that it's just another example in a long line of them that would lead Hernandez to develop this attitude in life that he could get away with whatever he wanted
 
Acid08 said:
What a fucking idiot. $40m contact, a fiancee, and a newborn child. Just throw it away over what I bet is some stupid shit or grudge.
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Not to play devil's advocate, but from what I've been reading, it seems like he was trying to tie up some old loose ends that threatened to upend his new life as opposed to getting into some new shit.
 
The Horror the horror said:
Not to play devil's advocate, but from what I've been reading, it seems like he was trying to tie up some old loose ends that threatened to upend his new life as opposed to getting into some new shit.
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At the time of the alleged 2012 double murder, he was already a pro. Doesn't really change anything WRT him being a total moron who threw away everything so he could play gangster.
 
Tamanon said:
I fail to see how all that takes the side that he's not an idiot.:P
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He is an idiot, and I'm not disputing that. I'm just undecided as to whether he was still fully committed to the lifestyle long-term or whether he was just trying to make sure certain things don't come to light so he could possibly move on.

Doesn't matter in the end, because he's a murderous douche that deserves everything traditionally reserves for his ilk.
 
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
It's like Penn State tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno, except if the statue was actually of Jerry Sandusky himself.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
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It's still a nice move. No one but some killer groupies would want to wear that jersey anymore, and they would all have wasted a ton of money on it. Look at it from a fan's perspective and with a little less cynicism.

Also, they didn't draft a murderer. They drafted a stupid kid with some kind of gang affiliation and a weed problem. That's far from the same. Not every problem kid turns into a murderer.

Additionally, there's this.

Edit: Another source:

An AFC scout said Hernandez’s marijuana and character problems were impossible to ignore.
“It was pretty well known that he had failed some drug tests at Florida, and there were questions about his maturity that come along with that,” the scout said. “You worried about the people he hung out with.”
Another scout revealed Hernandez was “unstable emotionally” and had a clear anger problem.
“Self-esteem is quite low; not well-adjusted emotionally, not happy, moods unpredictable, not stable, doesn’t take much to set him off, but not an especially jumpy guy,” the scout said.
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This basically describes half of GAF, judging from some threads.

Also, this is all still supremely surreal to me.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
It's like Penn State tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno, except if the statue was actually of Jerry Sandusky himself.
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He had a bad reputation, that didn't mean he was a murderer. Randy Moss had a bad reputation coming out of college, and while he was a bit of a clubhouse cancer at times, he never went off and murdered anyone.

Draft a team of choir boys if you want, but I wouldn't like your chances.
 
How big of a joke are college sports? This guy basically had ties to the bloods in high school and was questioned on a fucking shooting at college but his coach did nothing? WTF.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
It's like Penn State tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno, except if the statue was actually of Jerry Sandusky himself.
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Aren't you a Jets fan?
 
xbhaskarx said:
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
It's like Penn State tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno, except if the statue was actually of Jerry Sandusky himself.
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they could have easily kept the money from fans and said tough luck, we didn't think this would happen either. i don't remember the falcons doing this after vick got in a shit load of trouble.

and fuck off with this whole idea of the pats not having a problem with paying him like he was known to be a fucking murderer. lots of guys have bad reputations, that doesn't mean they shouldn't get a chance to make money and do what they love.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Why is that "awesome" and a "class move"?

They had no problem drafting and playing and paying a guy with a bad reputation. Now that he's toxic, they obviously don't want their brand tarnished by being associated with a multiple murderer. It's self interest pure and simple.
It's like Penn State tearing down the statue of Joe Paterno, except if the statue was actually of Jerry Sandusky himself.
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You draft someone of that age with the hope that they will mature, understand the opportunity that they've been given, have an attitude adjustment, cut out the weed and other extracurricular activities.

You didn't have the expectation of murder charges for Hernandez. The Patriots didn't expect it. The NFL didn't expect it. With social media and brands being so prevalent these days, The Patriots are doing what they can to get out in front of any negativity that can be attached to them surrounding the previous involvement with him. It's awesome if you're a common person who had his jersey or have a child with his jersey and want to get rid of it in a manner that doesn't involved burning it to get play on Youtube or throwing it in the trash...

If you want to take issue with something, worry about "You're innocent, until proven guilty," being a completely worthless statement in modern times.
 
ReturnOfTheRAT said:
You draft someone of that age with the hope that they will mature, understand the opportunity that they've been given, have an attitude adjustment, cut out the weed and other extracurricular activities.

You didn't have the expectation of murder charges for Hernandez. The Patriots didn't expect it. The NFL didn't expect it. With social media and brands being so prevalent these days, The Patriots are doing what they can to get out in front of any negativity that can be attached to them surrounding the previous involvement with him. It's awesome if you're a common person who had his jersey or have a child with his jersey and want to get rid of it in a manner that doesn't involved burning it to get play on Youtube or throwing it in the trash...

If you want to take issue with something, worry about "You're innocent, until proven guilty," being a completely worthless statement in modern times.
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I have a hard time believing with all the money these teams invest in players that they don't know a lot of personal shit about them. Like I said, this guy has straight up been involved with the bloods since high school. I have a hard time believing the Patriots didn't know he was a scumbag. Sure they maybe didn't think he was a murderer, but they know what a piece of shit he was for sure.
 
RobotMafia said:
How big of a joke are college sports? This guy basically had ties to the bloods in high school and was questioned on a fucking shooting at college but his coach did nothing? WTF.
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Highest paid position at the military academies? Head football coaches. It's ridiculous.
 
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