Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!

Anth0ny said:
exactly what versatility does pokemon trainer have

all three characters suck

the LEAST they could do for that character is drop the stamina gimmick, if not switching between three pokemon altogether.
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He's got versatility in sucking. He's got three different ways to suck.
 
Snowden's Secret said:
Because there has to be a downside to the massive amounts of versatility. Also adds complexity and raises the skill ceiling for the character, but in a subtle way. The player has to both internally track the stamina and also plan around it.
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You can't plan around stamina when it's not only timer based but also attack based. Attacks subtract the already decreasing timer. It's a horrible mechanic and you know it lol.

It wouldn't be AS BAD if attacks didn't subtract from the timer but they do. Even if that part was fixed, it'd still be a horrible mechanic.

It doesn't help that the switching time is variable because it relies on loading times...

It's simply not the right way to design a viable forced to switch character.
 
Anth0ny said:
exactly what versatility does pokemon trainer have

all three characters suck

the LEAST they could do for that character is drop the stamina gimmick, if not switching between three pokemon altogether.
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If the characters "suck" then the solution is to buff them, not dismantle the whole concept.
 
Ryce said:
I'd like to bring up Sakurai's old Famitsu articles again because it's sort of interesting to see how his thought process has changed since the days of Brawl:

  • Nintendo hasn't introduced a character-based series since Pikmin (I guess by "Nintendo" he's really only counting their internal studios)
  • He says Brain Age, Wii Sports, and Wii Fit were big recent hits, but "I couldn't exactly turn the Wii Balance Board into a Smash Bros. fighter"
  • Unless Nintendo were to introduce new action games, the amount of new characters suitable for a Smash Bros. sequel would be low
  • Animal Crossing was the only character-based series since Melee besides Pikmin that he considered, but he didn't think Animal Crossing characters would fit the violent nature of Smash Bros., though he jokes about making a move set using a net and shovel
Since writing those entries in early 2008, five years have passed. And in those five years, Nintendo unfortunately hasn't created any new first-party IP. Sakurai was almost forced to work non-fighters (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer) into Smash Bros. or else he wouldn't have had any new franchises to include. Is it possible that he'll try to create characters out of the other series he's gone on record to consider important to Nintendo?

Animal Crossing
Wii Fit
Nintendogs
Brain Age
Wii Sports
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Well, Mii is rumored to be in the game. What about Takamaru since he could fit in that action game section.
 
Kurtofan said:
Sakurai said they wouldn't be doing Dojo updates this time around though
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I don't recall him ever saying that. I don't expect it to be like last time, though. With nintendo using youtube, social media/miiverse, I expect more video updates and picture updates than last time, with less focus on updates like 'WIDESCREEN MODE', and more on 'here's link, check out his sweet moves. Now his spin attack moves left and right when he charges'
 
Preferably, they'd just give incentives for switching instead of punishing people for not doing so. Grant some small, conditionally limited regen for switching or something.

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Berordn said:
And removing stamina and instead giving you incentive to switch rather than punish you for not doing so would be one way.
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Beaten!
 
Snowden's Secret said:
Because there has to be a downside to the massive amounts of versatility. Also adds complexity and raises the skill ceiling for the character, but in a subtle way. The player has to both internally track the stamina and also plan around it.
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Forced versatility is dumb. A swiss knife is useless if I'm forced to use the bottle opener when I want the scissors. Again - your opponent can force you to switch at will by just playing defensively. It doesn't add complexity, if Ivysaur has a crap match-up against my opponent and I'm forced to use him, there's no complexity involved, just a huge weakness that makes the whole character unviable. And it's SO easy to get f-smashed to death as a punish because you -had to- change your Pokémon.

Sorry, man, but it didn't work in practice.
 
BGBW said:
See I want to say there will be a Year of Luigi trailer but we all know there's a good chance he'll be unlockable again and those types of character hardly ever get trailers (the exceptions being the third party characters)
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If I have to unlock Luigi one more fucking time I'm gonna break something.
 
georly said:
Make The original 8 unlocked, and force me to unlock the other 30+ people. gogoogogog :p
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that's how it should be, or at least the melee roster unlocked from the start.

i thought it was kinda weird that brawl started you off with so many newcomers, and you spent a bunch of time unlocking old characters.
 
Didn't Sakurai say each character will get there own special trailer before the game releases? That could be a deconfirmation for unlocking characters. However, that logic didn't apply to Sonic and Snake. They were special cases though.
 
I wouldn't mind unlocking characters again. I missed seeing that warning, new challenger approaching screen.
yeah I know it was in brawl
 
Kouichi said:
Didn't Sakurai say each character will get there own special trailer before the game releases? That could be a deconfirmation for unlocking characters. However, that logic didn't apply to Sonic and Snake. They were special cases though.
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He only confirmed it for the revealed newcomers.
 
Kouichi said:
Didn't Sakurai say each character will get there own special trailer before the game releases? That could be a deconfirmation for unlocking characters. However, that logic didn't apply to Sonic and Snake. They were special cases though.
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He only said that there would be videos. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll before the release of the game; they might just be videos in the gallery of the menu within the game.
 
Green Mamba said:
Unlocking Luigi and Jigglypuff is an ingrained part of Smash tradition that I really doubt is ever going to change.
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Kouichi said:
Didn't Sakurai say each character will get there own special trailer before the game releases? That could be a deconfirmation for unlocking characters. However, that logic didn't apply to Sonic and Snake. They were special cases though.
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They could be just referring to newcomers that aren't unlockable characters.
 
We might see Yoshi or someone by the end of the year, but I'm honestly not expecting to see another newcomer until 2014.
 
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