And there's other victims who still swear they were molested long after his death and have no pending civil suits. Why would anyone do that?
Michael Jackson Spent $35M To Silence 24 Young Boys He Abused Over 15 Years
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And there's other victims who still swear they were molested long after his death and have no pending civil suits. Why would anyone do that?
FutureZombie
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He was a grown man sleeping with boys in his bed. He was abusing them and if you don't think that you're incredibly naive.
He was the most messed up person. He faked his voice, faked his lifestyle, faked his appearance, and abused young kids. He was a monster, and he got away with it because he made pop songs. Gross.
He was the most messed up person. He faked his voice, faked his lifestyle, faked his appearance, and abused young kids. He was a monster, and he got away with it because he made pop songs. Gross.
The Hagification of MJ is almost as creepy as MJ. The stuff he definitely did that we know about would be unforgivable if he were say, a politician snuggling with young boys. But he's Michael Jackson. So here we are in this thread.
And anyone who thinks the known facts are the entirety of his actions is something worse than naive.
They are complicit.
And anyone who thinks the known facts are the entirety of his actions is something worse than naive.
They are complicit.
I'm surprised anyone even believes he isn't.
highrider
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Any real parent worth a shit would not even consider accepting a settlement for sexual abuse occurring to their child.
We don't 'definitely' know a lot about what happened, really. Having sleepovers doesn't translate to snuggling. Nor does giving hugs and being affectionate approach 'snuggling'. But it might if that's what you wanted to see. There are some stiff allegations, well put together, but that only means that either someone was very determined to make something appear true, and the sources have been reasonably called to question, or that they could be true. No definites here.
But is it enough to ruin a man and his legacy? Yes.
FutureZombie
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A real parent wouldn't let their kid spend the night in a grown man's bed.
JonathanEx
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So while not to comment on the validity of these specific claims, there's very good reasons to bring it up. "He's dead" isn't a good reason. In the UK there's a huge thing with Jimmy Saville - a creepy but massive celebrity of his time. Alive, many rumours, nothing published. Dead - the story broke, and that broke the dam and other cases of his mass-scale child molestation came out. And most importantly, many cases that involved other people who are still alive. And unrelated cases of child sexual abuse.
If more concrete claims about MJ come out - the good that can do for other victims, other cases - is massive. Shows that people can get caught and victims can get heard.
If more concrete claims about MJ come out - the good that can do for other victims, other cases - is massive. Shows that people can get caught and victims can get heard.
Do I really need to list all the rock stars and DJs back in the 60s and 70s who were known to be sexually abusing impressionable young girls, some not even teenagers?
Try googling "baby groupies". Money, fame and white skin can buy you a lot of immunity.
MJ is a different set of circumstances, era and MO but this is absolutely nothing new.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Same here. He's getting a pass for edging a line, if not completely going over it, that's publically known but hey he didn't do anything else in that little hidden playroom. Nothing at all. Lets all listen to 'Off the Wall'!
Arsenic Yellow
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I don't dismiss the rumors and wouldn't be surprised if he was, especially after hearing some rumors from the LA grapevine, (friend of a friend knew MJ's nephew) that involved video tapes. Am I saying he was one? No, but I'd definitely be more shocked at this point to find out that he wasn't than was.
I can think of at least one of those kids that were lying for cash. The father manipulated him.
The voice was part of his persona since he was known for high pitched singing (since he was popular as a child singer). Most celebrities are "fake". What do you mean by faked his lifestyle?
About his appearance, he had Vitiligo and lupus. Odds are he did plastic surgery to make his features match his new skin colour. I can't think of a worse disease for a person that's arguably the most popular artist of all time and is in the limelight all the time.
He admitted to many allegedly non sexual but objectively bizarre and troubling interactions with boys he groomed for that purpose. And that is going by his own admitted accounts and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
There is a strange principle at work here that ONLY applies to MJ. Seriously.
Name another adult person who has 'snuggly' nocturnal encounters with male children in his home where the public would say, 'oh he is just unusual because his childhood was truncated.'
my head is in my hands and I'm laughing.
probably not even a real closet.
I can't tell what's real and what isnt. I'm gonna say those khakis are shopped in.
GraveHorizon
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He did it.
Any real parent wouldn't let their child sleep un-supervised
in the same bed as a weirdo like MJ. Especially after all the allegations. Honestly that's some disturbing shit.
Delusibeta
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You know how the Daily Mail is banned? The People is even less reputable. It's slightly above the Daily Sport.
Hidden playroom?
It's a euphemism for butt.
highrider
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Agreed. But I think it's a real stretch to think every parent that had a kid stay at neverland ranch didn't really care about their kid and was looking to get paid. I'm still waiting for proof that mj did this stuff. All I get as evidence of his guilt is he was a weird dude who related to children better than adults. The credibility of his accusers has always been a huge issue.
NintendoRev
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Oh look, tabloids are saying things. It MUST BE TRUE.
FutureZombie
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Married women, tried to pretend he was not a child abuser.
So can we retitle the thread as "GAF user is super gullible"?
Angry Fork
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There is literally nothing to corroborate this except conjecture and claims that were later rescinded. Plenty of parents have slept with their children in bed, when I was a kid I've done it when I had nightmares or didn't want to be alone.
The rest of your feelings are based on random weird shit Michael did that has nothing to do with whether or not he was a pedo.
Not saying he didn't do anything, nobody knows that for sure, but if you're gonna say someone's guilty of something you need more than 'he was weird'.
It's possible this is true though. It's plainly obvious MJ had psychological issues related to childhood and had a sad, nostalgic obsession with wanting to be a child, to the point of creating his own world where he could be one without people judging him.
That lifestyle was grandiose and somewhat ridiculous but there's no reason to automatically think it connects to him being a pedo. There are lots of people who wish they could be a child again or experience things they couldn't, MJ had the money to try to make that happen and did so.
Again, the thing is, there is AMPLE undisputed evidence of behavior that is so weird, that ONLY a weird or stupid parent would let their child anywhere near it.
Would you let your child sleep with any other adult male, unsupervised? MJ himself admitted to that shit. It's not disputed.
That is PLENTY. And again, try and think of another example in all of history where this behavior would be sanctioned or accepted by the general public.
And only a nimrod would think that was all there was to it.
FutureZombie
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No grown man sleeps with children because he "relates to children better than adults." I relate to other men better than women, that doesn't mean I sleep with them. For crying out loud, he admitted to sleeping with young boys. Why would he sleep with them? He was a grown man. Take off the blinders.
Yeah, sometimes kids go to THEIR parent's bed. There is a huge difference between that and sleeping with a different adult.
FutureZombie
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I do so know he was a child abuser. All of his actions point to that. I know he was a child abuser the same way I know Casey Anthony killed her daughter, and OJ killed Nicole.
SonicMegaDrive
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I guess MJ dirt still sells.
There is plenty of undisputed proof to allow a normal thinking human to take a side. I am on team 'it's not ok to let your kid sleep with a weird celebrity.'
Fucking spectacular number of MJ revisionists and defenders in here. Absolutely unreal.
Sleeping with them because he thinks of himself as a big super rich camp counselor/entertainer guy/messiah? I could see it quite easily.
Sexually abusing those children? It's possible, but not necessarily what happened. He didn't necessarily have to do anything that pushed any boundaries beyond sleepovers. I remember innocence like that, and not every male adult has a penis twiddling kiddie fiddler hiding within.
highrider
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That's odd, because to me accusing someone posthumously of child molestation would need hard evidence. I'm not debating the psychological nuances of Michael Jackson, I'm saying where us the evidence that he was a pedophile?
I'm not such a fan that I would refute real evidence. But I'm not prepared to draw your conclusion based on just behavior. If you are calling me a nimrod for thinking that, right back at ya.
Hey, I don't expect anyone who has done these kind of mental gymnastics to change their mind, just as I will continue to believe every season, that this is the season the Seahawks will do it. I suspect it's the same part of the brain.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
But have you heard 'Rock With You'? How could someone with such great musical talent be capable of tusslin' lil' Jimmies hair? Its just not possible.
highrider
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I really resent this post dude. Twice you've called me out with others defending him. Suggesting some sort of ecclesiastical wash out is taking place because I simply said where's the proof? Seriously fuck off with that.
I was like stinkles once. I used to think he did it. I went back, and at first I was 50/50, then I started to lean toward him not doing it. And that's where I am. For some reason I think the money issue puts that much doubt in my mind.
PYT is why i'm 100% sure he's innocent. Innocent like a newborn infant.
PYT is why i'm 100% sure he's innocent. Innocent like a newborn infant.
highrider
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Same here.
If he weren't who he was I doubt anyone would be judging him as anything other than a paedophile.
Also I don't think the fact that he's dead should change the fact that his behaviour in life warrants some scrutiny, given the number of lives it could have had an effect on.
megamerican
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It's hard to reconcile that with a grown man plastering his bedroom with baby pictures that are obviously not his own children.
There is no credible evidence that he did it though. All I'm seeing is people bringing up points from his weird lifestyle. That doesn't prove he molested kids, just that he has psychologies issues stemming not only from his childhood, but from other things such as being the biggest pop icon of all time with vitiligo, drug addiction, etc. Many of his accusers aren't very credible either and some have already come out as saying they lied for the cash. Now you have guys that accusing him of child molestation after he's dead. How convenient.
First I haven't actually accused MJ of having sex with kids in this thread. Like you, I would need proof to be sure. What I have done, several times, is point out that his undisputed behavior is already bad enough to merit derision and bluntly, horror at both him and the parents of the children he used as toys. Not to mention leagues of lawyers and enablers.
Secondly, I am not attacking you personally, but I am attacking the culture of hagiography and complicit whitewashing that has happened before and after his death, again, based on a kind of 'pass' that is unique to MJ. I find it genuinely disturbing.
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