Would you let your young son spend the night with him?
Michael Jackson Spent $35M To Silence 24 Young Boys He Abused Over 15 Years
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Would you let your young son spend the night with him?
JonathanEx
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That's the source Sunday People story, I think? People is the Sunday version of the Mirror, so share a site although separate teams.
highrider
Banned
Completely agree. But with all of that scrutiny, still no hard evidence. Posthumous accusations should have some form of that, I would hope.
where is there plastering? Are we hyperbolizing here for serious and not for jokey?
Lets not read too much into things we have no context of. And lets not create scenarios based on shadows of our own minds.
How many fans send him baby pictures I wonder?
sketchsanchez
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Me either. I just think he was a weird dude. Grew up weird, stayed weird but a criminal pedo? Nah.
FutureZombie
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Why aren't kids making these claims about other celebrities? If all they want is money, why not claim Jim Carrey abused them?
Show me one person on Earth who sleeps with other people's children in their bed and is not abusing them.
And saying he has psychological issues from his childhood only supports the fact that he did this. Child abusers were all abused as children; that's how they came to be that way.
highrider
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This is a position I can respect. Your previous posts were not.
Yes, but the mirror has two different articles about this with different content
JonathanEx
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Ah, cheers for that.
He had an incredibly different view of the world. He's long talked about the potential of children in the world. I believe there was an audio sample of something he said while under sedatives about how he wanted to fund an all-childrens hospital. I find it hard to believe that a man like him, especially under sedatives, is consistent in his views and values of helping the youngest of our flock. With the way people like you and I have been conditioned in this world, those things seem very strange. But Michael Jackson was a man in strange circumstances, which influenced his "strange" persona to us who see the glass of morals differently. Those differences don't make him a pedophile.
Coffee Dog
Banned
'Cause Jim Carrey ain't a freak. People wouldn't think Jim Carrey would do it. But it's easy to see Micheal as a pedophile because he's a fucking weird looking creepy motherfucker.
Well I assume because MJ was a good target. He had Neverland ranch and brought children there often and people already thought he was a weird back then. There were already all sorts of weird rumors about him going in the late 80s (Leave Me Alone is a respnse to all this). Add to that that he was the biggest pop singer of all time and you have an easy pay check.
There's plenty of articles that investigated the accusations of paedophilia which were published before MJ died, .
Amongst the few that have not been sued into taking them down are the ones by Maureen Orth at Vanity Fair.
Nightmare in Neverland published in 1994.
Neverland's Lost Boys published in 2004.
C.S.I. Neverland published in 2005.
Amongst the few that have not been sued into taking them down are the ones by Maureen Orth at Vanity Fair.
Nightmare in Neverland published in 1994.
Neverland's Lost Boys published in 2004.
C.S.I. Neverland published in 2005.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Alternate (long) topic title: Families Extort $35M after subjecting their children to a strange man's company understanding the easily exploitative implications
I lean on the side of "dude was mad weird but don't think he'd ever sexually abuse a kid" side of things, but I think its essentially impossible to ever get a clearer picture due to all the absolute assholes involved. Letting you kids sleep over at a celebs house? Sure, why not, thats not weird. You're a great parent. Then they just slipped over and a demand for hush money flew out their purse after coming to pick little Timmy up from Potential-RapeLand.
I lean on the side of "dude was mad weird but don't think he'd ever sexually abuse a kid" side of things, but I think its essentially impossible to ever get a clearer picture due to all the absolute assholes involved. Letting you kids sleep over at a celebs house? Sure, why not, thats not weird. You're a great parent. Then they just slipped over and a demand for hush money flew out their purse after coming to pick little Timmy up from Potential-RapeLand.
That sounds right in line with what I would expect from a pedophile. A hospital full of sick children and their parents who are indebted to him is right in line with his established behavior.
Gettin' paaaaaaid, beeeyotch.
Coffee Dog
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The dude wanted to build a hospital and you honestly think it's a ploy to get little kid dick?
There are much easier ways to fuck kids than to build a goddamned hospital.
not that I would know
Depends. Some people are trying to turn "commoner sense" into a battering ram and it doesn't work that way. Roccam's Laser lends to oversimplification to a fault.
If it was portrayed as a night in bed with Micheal Jackson(thats what the flyer said...>_>), of course not. And something like that would never fly today because common sicko-ism is 100% main stream. People who never thought of childrape before are now afraid of it like they're afraid of dogs with rabies. And yes it's best for awareness to be higher, but that alone doesn't seem to be protecting kids.
It looks like to me, people just think it figures. They're not thinking through with a balanced view of the matter. Priests, teachers, boy scout masters, and of course Michael Jackson, definitely him, because it figures. Why not him?
If he wanted to be a secret pedophile he could post up in Asia like so many others do. His "chosen" method, is so dysfunctional, so full of potential leakers and so many goddamn witnesses, he should be in a jail cell if even a fraction of any of that stuff was true. He paid everyone off so well that the only person coming forward is a former dancer who had a recent bad financial turn in life? Because money can fix everything, and he had lots of it.
But instead to set up a charity, have a theme park at his house and let sick children stay over, with staff present. And then have a "private party" as it was described, with multiple other children, where it was alleged he would drug and molest one or two of them? I think the only thing we can definitely say is he made himself too visible and vulnerable a target of accusation by millions of people if not billions. And based on how he acted and what he did, the inevitable happened, whether it was the truth or not.
Don't be sleeping with the babies unless your name is Ganesha or you have beautiful
apparently the blue is a retcon...
strikeselect
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Are you for real?
If he said it while not fully conscious he probably wasn't thinking about the reality of doing it, just the end result. Not really sure what to make of that story, though.
Well he didn't build a damn thing, so it's not really relevant. Lots of drug addicts say lots of things when they're under the influence. People seem to forget that this guy was a hardcore drug abuser.
This comment pretty much sums up MJ-defense-force.
None of you would ever let your child into his bed no matter how adamantly you defend his actions.
CornBurrito
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I wouldn't let my kids sleep in your bed either. Doesn't mean I think you're a pedophile.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
People are going to be hounding Michael Jackson forever, basically.
Personally, and based on all the testimony + bullshit detector, I have always leaned towards a simple explanation that isn't easy for many people think about: MJ was not a pedophile in the sense most people would see it. I think it's unlikely he ever truly abused a child and probably tried to avoid even imagining it. He was an adult and adults sensualize things because they have reached sexual maturity (something a lot of "normal" adults aren't comfortable with themselves.) So yeah, I would believe he was excited by being around kids in a way that wasn't normal.
I would be genuinely surprised if he ever actually allowed himself to look at something like child porn. If only because of his obsession with maintaining a perfect, fairy tale image of childhood.
But he was weird, famous, and a big fat target made of drama and money. The rest writes itself, unfortunately.
Personally, and based on all the testimony + bullshit detector, I have always leaned towards a simple explanation that isn't easy for many people think about: MJ was not a pedophile in the sense most people would see it. I think it's unlikely he ever truly abused a child and probably tried to avoid even imagining it. He was an adult and adults sensualize things because they have reached sexual maturity (something a lot of "normal" adults aren't comfortable with themselves.) So yeah, I would believe he was excited by being around kids in a way that wasn't normal.
I would be genuinely surprised if he ever actually allowed himself to look at something like child porn. If only because of his obsession with maintaining a perfect, fairy tale image of childhood.
But he was weird, famous, and a big fat target made of drama and money. The rest writes itself, unfortunately.
highrider
Banned
Oh wow. Do you look at mj as a cold, calculating intellect? If I build this for sick kids then their parents would be indebted to me, thus turning a blind eye to sexual abuse? Are you seriously suggesting that?
That sounds exactly like Neverland.
Buckethead
Banned
The case against him from what I've seen is pretty suspect but having a kid who is not yours in your bed is just stupid, weird, and shouldn't ever happen ever.
The parents fucked up. The people around MJs camp fucked up.
When you look at his death, he clearly had his problems and the people around him only enabled him further. Hard to think that was only in regards to the drugs.
The parents fucked up. The people around MJs camp fucked up.
When you look at his death, he clearly had his problems and the people around him only enabled him further. Hard to think that was only in regards to the drugs.
PEOPLE seems to be a tabloid rag.
Also, like others have said, Jackson was very childlike, soft, and unsexual. I'm not buying it.
You are so trolling. The drugs in question were sleeping pills, not hallucinogens or stimulants. He abused them because his doctor encouraged it, and because he was having a lot of difficulty sleeping. Are we really going to go through all this again after four years?
Also, like others have said, Jackson was very childlike, soft, and unsexual. I'm not buying it.
You are so trolling. The drugs in question were sleeping pills, not hallucinogens or stimulants. He abused them because his doctor encouraged it, and because he was having a lot of difficulty sleeping. Are we really going to go through all this again after four years?
You would if I did let hundreds of kids sleep in my bed. Especially since I don't make pop music
Phire Phox
Banned
MJ never slept with the kids in the bed. He would sleep on the floor while they were in the bed.
I'm not sure he ever admitted to having one kid in bed with him. But he did have 8 or so kids in a bed with him. The accusation was that he singled a couple out, and groomed them for abuse.
but just imagine this. A Micheal Jackson who wasn't a pedophile was just a straight, legit, lover of young children? If he wasn't a child molester but just someone who had a theme park for kids at him home? That it wasn't all just to get jollies, but just to give back to the kids? Many people would like to believe nothing like that could exist without someone wanting to do bad and evil things.
You're still not allowed to talk after your settlement, huh?
This.
Does ANYONE in here believe the parents of 17 boys would just let themselfes paid out?? And the amount was a measly $35 million when ANY successful trial would have awarded damages so much greater than that??
Innocent until proven guilty and all there ever was were "allegations". Not ONE trial.
This is not like a politician where the tables are heaving under evidence and they use their pull and connections to keep trials from happening. This is simply a single famous person with money.
He did say it just weeks before he died...he was planning on using the money from the This Is It tour to make the hospital. No shit he didn't build a damn thing.
The idea of altruism is a farce to a lot of people. There must always be a catch with everything, and I say this well beyond what Michael Jackson did or desired.
Buckethead
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It's been awhile since I read whatever but even if they were in his bedroom, that's asking for trouble. "Please take this out of context... PLEASE".
Jackson was a questionable person who undoubtedly did some strange weird things. I blame it on a number of issues, his father abusing him physically and mentally. Definitely used him and his siblings for money for as long as he could. Then you got the rest of the family dynamic which is very screwed up, likely jealous, back stabbing, arguments, he definitely did not get even close to a normal child hood. You had that stage accident of him getting his hair caught on fire resulting in him getting addicted to meds. His skin turning white on him probably screwed with him as well resulting in him getting so much surgery done he looked pretty messed up and the butt of a lot of jokes.
Then you got the fact he had so much money at one point he could do a lot of what he wanted to do. He never had a child hood and likely had no clue how to interact with kids so he basically acted it out. Lived in his own fantasy world. Emotionally, mentally the guy was a wreck. Probably only had a bunch of ass kissers surrounding him while his family members still argued with him resulting in him never fully being able to trust or know what to do, likely thought the only ones who wouldn't judge him were kids. Did he touch any kids? I don't think he did...but yeah when you look at everything it doesn't look good. Definitely highly questionable but again I think he was living in his fantasy world trying to live the child hood he never got to live without knowing how to do it and over doing it like he did everything. It was likely his shelter from reality that made things difficult for him.
He needed help, serious psychological help in my view.
Then you got the fact he had so much money at one point he could do a lot of what he wanted to do. He never had a child hood and likely had no clue how to interact with kids so he basically acted it out. Lived in his own fantasy world. Emotionally, mentally the guy was a wreck. Probably only had a bunch of ass kissers surrounding him while his family members still argued with him resulting in him never fully being able to trust or know what to do, likely thought the only ones who wouldn't judge him were kids. Did he touch any kids? I don't think he did...but yeah when you look at everything it doesn't look good. Definitely highly questionable but again I think he was living in his fantasy world trying to live the child hood he never got to live without knowing how to do it and over doing it like he did everything. It was likely his shelter from reality that made things difficult for him.
He needed help, serious psychological help in my view.
If anything, the Micheal Jackson that didn't molest those kids was too good for this world.
And the Micheal Jackson that did molest those kids got off easy, and died early.
They did also have accusers who didn't kill their credibility by admitting to taking payoffs, which is why they are telling the truth now where they lied before.
They also went to police instead angling for a civil trial and out of court settlement.
vas_a_morir
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I ain't saying something is wrong with Michael's relations with boys, but something ain't RIGHT.
Macaulay Culkin?
The sketch even ends that way.
"Would you let your kid sleep in his bed?
"Fuck no!"
I agree, so let's not give credit for something he didn't do.
highrider
Banned
That's because there was loads of hard evidence including eyewitnesses.
FutureZombie
Banned
I do. A parent that would let their kid sleep in his bed is delusional.
Also, it is very common for screwed up parents to not believe their kids when they say they were abused. This is especially common if the kid claims the abuser was a family member or someone the parent liked. It happens all the time. It's horrible and sad, but it does happen.
I wasn't giving him credit for something he didn't do. I was just stating his intentions, his plans, which only go in line with how he's publicly expressed regarding children. And then that turned into you assuming it would be his child picking supermarket.
well he does get to be the public face of child molestation based on accusation after accusation. I think with all that visibility he becomes the focus for the feelings of anger people have at the issue itself. I wish there was only certainly, enough of this doubt.
You wouldn't believe your kid if he told you Micheal Jackson had molested them? I'd find a way to remove his head from his body.
Red Liquorice
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This isn't going to be cleared up any time soon, so many people have already made up their minds one way or another.
I know which side of the fence I'm on, the same one I've always been on. And I find it interesting which way the vocal majority sways over time. Since his death it's certainly been in the direction that because his music was so loved, then everything else can be ignored.
I know which side of the fence I'm on, the same one I've always been on. And I find it interesting which way the vocal majority sways over time. Since his death it's certainly been in the direction that because his music was so loved, then everything else can be ignored.
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