Your argument was that Sony didn't go through with their DRM just to spite Microsoft, under the assumption that 3rd parties, MS, and Sony were all supposed to be in on the DRM schemes. People have argued you on this. Or was that not your argument? Why are you arguing with everyone, exactly? Because you dislike the negative sentiment going around for MS? But that isn't Sony's fault. If Sony had gone through with DRM they'd be hated too. MS brought it upon themselves. You're painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as fanboys, and that's quite frankly a childish accusation.
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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Your argument was that Sony didn't go through with their DRM just to spite Microsoft, under the assumption that 3rd parties, MS, and Sony were all supposed to be in on the DRM schemes. People have argued you on this. Or was that not your argument? Why are you arguing with everyone, exactly? Because you dislike the negative sentiment going around for MS? But that isn't Sony's fault. If Sony had gone through with DRM they'd be hated too. MS brought it upon themselves. You're painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as fanboys, and that's quite frankly a childish accusation.
this line of thinking is sort of flawed... It will always come down to SUPPORT. Yes great games are great, system seller's get some people to buy a console specifically for it, etc.
but honestly.. why doesn't Wii U sell? No support.
why is PSVita struggling? No support.
3DO? Jaguar? Saturn? Turbografx-16? Dreamcast?
You absolutely need third party support.
The only people talking about power (myself included) just make the point that... more than likely, you will be playing your multi-platform games on the PS4. All things being equal, if the XBONE version drops frames, the PS4 version will drop fewer frames. etc. We (at least I don't think) are not saying specs are THE reason PS4 will win.. just that, like the 360 this gen, more than likely multi-platform titles will sway multi-console owners to the PS4 version.. unless things get really strange..
your "point" is baseless conjecture at best. a pretty dangerous "point" to try to be making.. just saying..
CouldBeWorse
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Considering that neither console has launched, neither company has adopted any such measures. It's also well-documented by insiders (like mort) that Sony had been discussing and considering this internally for a while (and likely discussing it with third parties) before ultimately deciding not to go through with it.
EDIT: I was referring solely to the used games limitations, not always on. I've never read anywhere that Sony was considering an always-on requirement.
RedNumberFive
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Nothing on that cover was incorrect.
Vestal
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WTH? when did I call anyone a Fanboy?? I was talking about that particular point in regards to the Patent.
Have you seen TitanFall...on the cover of this issue?
Yawn.
Vestal wants a fair discussion in relation to the PS4/Xbone when it's patently obvious that the vast majority of us prefer the PS4. Do you all want us to pretend to be more "fair" just to appease you?
I'm sure there were dudes like you during the PS3 launch. The Sony fans took their whipping then. Now it's MS fans turn. Let it go.
Vestal wants a fair discussion in relation to the PS4/Xbone when it's patently obvious that the vast majority of us prefer the PS4. Do you all want us to pretend to be more "fair" just to appease you?
I'm sure there were dudes like you during the PS3 launch. The Sony fans took their whipping then. Now it's MS fans turn. Let it go.
3rdamention
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Exactly what I said. .
Lucent
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Awesome =D
Supposedly Sony London has a new core title in development, FYI, if you think their hiring targets are any indication.
Also, Evolution has absorbed staff from Liverpool and BigBig, I wouldn't be surprised if they're now big enough to have a second game in development.
And I wouldn't view what Sony Cambridge is doing as irrelevant. Being folded into GG currently has them on track to make their best looking title in quite some time.
Gee I dunno, maybe this
seems like an indirect attack on anyone who doesn't agree with you that because Sony patented DRM, they were going to use it. Before you say anything, let me show you my previous post that you didn't reply to:
Neuromancer
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God damn Edge magazine of all places undermining The Sess's authority
Yeesssuuuur. A game doesn't change the fact EDGE put Microsoft on blast for their cover story.
Cock of War
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Looks like kitty got wet
I'll be honest, a part of me doubted whether Sony would go no DRM after all the Sony too! Posts. Even though Sony was dropping hints they wouldn't. I also almost believed there would be an XO hardware bump last minute, or some sort of secret sauce, but in the end all the negative rumours were true and none of the positive stuff people had been peddling for months and months came to fruition. The price was even worse than predicted too by $100+.
TheRagnCajun
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Maybe, but we have no idea how far it went. You can't liken Sony to MS on this one. One company announced plans for DRM and then backpeddaled. The other didn't announce plans for DRM. Some rumours spawned a #NoDRM movement on GAF which prompted Sony to reaffirm their DRM policy at E3. Maybe Sony is full of shit, I don't know. But I see a difference between what Sony did and what MS did.
Vestal
Junior Member
So saying to the people that quoted me, that I give up you have all made up your minds in regards to this particular point is now calling someone a fanboy?!? Wow thanks for the clarification.
So that quote you made actually says they were entertaining the idea.
so just because you dont care about DRM fuck everyone else right. its not like there is an entire economy of games that revolves around being able to do what people want with their own products, the ones they paid for with their money so that they can own what they've spent their money on.
CouldBeWorse
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I have no intention of defending Vestal because he's digging his own hole, but no matter what your preferences are, we should always strive for a fair and balanced discussion, no matter what individual preferences are. No one should have to take a "whipping" for preferring one box to another.
Lucent
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Possible future release of Dead Rising 3 on PS4?
Forza 5 is out of the question, though.
Dead Rising 3 and Project Spark are the only two games I want to play on Xbox One.
What? I thought it was a partial version and it was said if you want the rest of the game you would pay a discounted fee.
That is a beautiful cover. I wish I bought that edition just for it...
And I don't care about this month's cover. I mean, I don't see the problem. It's just reflecting core gamers' mind after the E3 presentations.
Neuromancer
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Vestal
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Possibly yes. However I still believe that undo slack is given when Sony without announcing it to the public implemented the infamous Rootkit DRM in music CDs. Sure it was Sony BGM but still a part of Sony.
F0rneus
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Damn, you missed his Titanfall joke (from a Major Nelson interview)
Inferno313
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Vestal
Junior Member
Any link to that?
MS is the publisher of Dead Rising 3.
Maybe you should cite specific parts of the article that point out how they aren't being a neutral source.
As of now Sony's console is:
1. More powerful according to all leaks and fragmented information given by MS, using apples to apples numbers directly from the manufacturer of both system's GPUs.
2. $100 cheaper at launch.
3. Smaller in design and not from a product line with the single worst launch defect the industry has seen.
4. With an updated controller that most who have used it are in love with.
5. Comes with a headset.
6. Hides fewer services behind it's pay wall, actually gives users content back in return for the pay wall via PS+.
7. Has studios like Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, Polyphony Digital, etc. all working exclusively on it.
I mean, that's just the facts. Pretty hard to see where it requires any kind of real bias to sum up the equation as decidedly favoring Sony and that is before you include the wildly inconsistent, incoherent, and verbally incontinent "PR" we've seen from Microsoft regarding their new system.
Also, I really hope you aren't suggesting they should have bit their tongue simply to keep MS happy. That is the very problem with the games media, their unfailing willingness to toe the line and keep their traps shut if it keeps advertisers happy. Seeing a major publication like EDGE buck that trend should be a good sign to EVERY gaming enthusiast.
Agreed, it's all about the games for me too. PS4 just doesn't have anything for me at launch until inFamous and The Order. This cover seems sensationalist at best, which is what it's trying to achieve right?
Mailenstein
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Neuromancer
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586251&highlight=drive+club
"Its not going to be trimmed down in terms of features, the only thing thats going to be reigned in is the amount of content delivered in the PS Plus edition."
Who said they had to be neutral? Edge is a magazine; they're allowed to take in all the available information and then have an opinion.
R3TRO
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Same here.
Vestal
Junior Member
Did any MS Published games make it out of the Ecosystem? I know that ME didn't.
Anytime! Your post certainly read that way to me.
Yes, that was the point of my quoting it. Shockingly, I don't entirely disagree with your point about Sony's patent and how it related to what they may have had planned with disc-based DRM before scrapping it. At the same time, your attitude is not helping you get your point across.
Feature complete like: all cars have four tires. You can make a right turn and a left turn. etc.
AltogetherAndrews
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I'm amazed that you're amazed. Sony came out and showed their next-gen vision, and it was greeted with applause because it was NOT spearheaded by a bunch of anti-consumer bullshit. They also priced the system a good $100 below its rival, AND still managed to fill the system with decent hardware that is, seemingly, also in tune with what developers want. Also, it looks better, and that's not even a matter of opinion.
Unless you're some kind of dolt, it's really not that fucking hard to get why Sony is getting a kush welcome and enjoying a willingness amongs consumers to let some things slide. Whether you agree or not, that's a different matter entirely.
Just wow. Admitting to calling anyone who disagrees with you a fanboy is pretty blatant.
CitizenCope
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Eventually Edge, eventually. For now I'm all about the Xbone. The exclusives are much better imo.
This is true, patents are intangible assets and regardless of if they are being used they are patented as a source of potential revenue. Check up on any Balance Sheet for a major corporation.
Well, there could be a Director's Cut of DR3 with a different publisher. Don't know what kind of deal MS made.
Vestal
Junior Member
Are you really reading the word Fanboy in any of the things I have said?!?! WTH
Lucent
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They published Mass Effect, too. Didn't stop it from eventually reaching PS3.
Americanmushroom
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Im a huge PS fanboy myself... but this kind of cover for a magazine covering all consoles is just wrong. But i guess you americans dont really care about objective journalism..
OK man, it's time to have a seat.
hydrophilic attack
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