Psycho_Mantis
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You've seen it here first folks. Mandatory Kinect is a positive, no drm is a conservative design, and the specs that Sony released that made people realise the PS4 was mor powerful.....they're questionable at best.
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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You've seen it here first folks. Mandatory Kinect is a positive, no drm is a conservative design, and the specs that Sony released that made people realise the PS4 was mor powerful.....they're questionable at best.
It seemed fairly rational to me. It doesn't have the usual trademarks of a classic rant, the op even has "disclaimers". Are you sure that you're not having this reaction because you simply disagree with him?
To me some of the xbox one's appeal got lost when they removed the ability to buy a game in the store and play it without the disc in the tray. the irony is that the DRM that people want gone is still there - but on the fucking disc instead!
King Tubby
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Surely you realize that (as of right now, anyway, as is stated on the cover) you're in the minority? By any objective metric, most people have a stated preference for the PS4 over the Xbox One. You could read the cover two ways: Edge is either prescribing the PS4 for its readers, or it's examining why it's so much more appealing to the public than the competition. I haven't seen the article so I wouldn't know, but I imagine it's a little of both. Hell, if Amazon preorders are any indication, PS4 is absolutely walloping the Xbox One in the UK.
I hope that people aren't thinking that the GAFers who prefer the PS4 to the Xbox One (which seems to be a clear majority) are Sony fanboys. They're making a conscious decision based on the information available to favor one device over the other. You don't have to like both consoles equally, as a consumer or a journalist. They aren't the same. This isn't a simple "Well if both consoles do good, there's gonna be better things for everyone!" I don't think most people want to see MS fail and exit the console business. They want to see MS humbled and make a stronger appeal to them, something they have finally started to do after the backlash they received. If it weren't for the Xbox 180 the relatively stronger software showing at E3 would still remain woefully irrelevant for the majority of the people here (and, I believe, the buying public).
You appear to have missed the part where he said it was in his opinion.
Naked Lunch
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Attacking a guy over and over again because he says he prefers the games MS has shown over what PS4 offers? Seems legit. He even said the stick layout of XB1 is a big deal - but that seems to go unnoticed by you.
Not sure whats so hard to understand about people being fans of MS's franchises for nearly a decade and looking to continue these series. Halo, Forza, KI in particular - ill personally take those over any PS exclusive. The systems will have the same 3rd party games too. Not to mention carrying over people's gamertag and gamerscore theyve built for years.
Ill get a PS4 in like 5 years if Last Guardian ever comes out. The sole reason I own PS3 is for Metal Gear - good thing thats multiplat now.
Gemüsepizza
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You are not allowed to criticise opinions?
Of course you can, I just fail to see how this:Gemüsepizza;67884076 said:
"You've seen it here first folks. Mandatory Kinect is a positive, no drm is a conservative design, and the specs that Sony released that made people realise the PS4 was mor powerful.....they're questionable at best."
is in any way a critique on his opinion.
IchigoSharingan
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Gemüsepizza;67884076 said:
fixed for posterity
Potential that Microsoft still hasn't sucessfully justified in people paying the extra money for the console (and the people they ARE currently aiming Kinect at, isn't going to buy the console till it's cheaper.
Same can be said for the potential of The Cloud.
Another problem is that we're only going off of the headline, if we're talking potential Sony has self publishing which means alot more games will flock to the system, which is a point I can see Edge making in the article behind the headline.
There is alot more positivity in the potential of the PS4 over X1 right now for gamers, which Microsoft hasn't addressed, or is murky and continues to be.
Is this real life?
Have you seen titanfall?!?!
I'm glad MS is under pressure now, especially with Don leaving the company. I hope they get their shit together and appoint someone who can turn it all around. They need to meet Sony on price as much as they can afford, and really bring in the first party games. Sony made a triumphant return because they brought the games.
Visualante2
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Got mail today, no Edge. Might have to wait until tomorrow.
But the third party games I mean are available on both system.
I wasn't counting CryTek or Capcom Vancouncer as third-party in this. I put them under second party as they have an exclusive agreement for that game, as far as I can tell.
I remember citadel, in mass effect, on PC (the best version).
PS4 is my favorite place on the citadel. Where else can I chill and drink absinthe with Kaz and Cerny to Comaduster.
CouldBeWorse
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I don't know why it's acceptable to attack posters for simply stating that they prefer the Xbox One exclusives and don't mind (or like) mandatory Kinect. Or that they're getting an Xbone day one instead of a PS4.
A diversity of opinion is good. GAF is boring when everyone thinks the same thing.
A diversity of opinion is good. GAF is boring when everyone thinks the same thing.
I prefer the XB1 exclusives, and have had some really fun experiences with Kinect v1, especially with my kids. I'm very glad MS removed the anti-consumer DRM policies, and because of that reversal will try to get an XB1 at launch. Am I a bad person? Should I feel bad?
Not at all.
Let's see if Jallopy gets attacked for simply stating his preference or if maybe there is more to REMEMBER CITADEL's argument.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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I know I'm in the minority here, I usually am. I'm well aware of the current preference for PS4 in the hardcore segment of gamers who like to frequent places like GAF (a preference which has nevertheless started declining after E3, and especially after the policy reversal). I'm also well aware of the fact that the noise those people make often ends up being in great discrepancy with actual real-life market performance of products they do or don't like. That's not to say that I believe PS4 won't initially outperform Xbox One, on the contrary, but that's primarily because of Microsoft's inability to allocate enough consoles for launch (which is also reflected in limited quantities available for preorder) due to heavily rumored yield issues, and the logical consequences of that problem, such as the insistence on sticking with the significantly higher price point for the moment (I already stated my opinion on that earlier in the thread).
There's also still a lot that needs to happen between now and the launch, and it's irresponsible and unfitting for Edge to be taking such a blunt stand at this point. I'm obviously not commenting on the contents of the issue and the points presented therein, since they're not available to us yet, but the cover is unnecessary confrontational if all they wanted to do was examine the current sentiment among the hardcore gamers. It's blatantly obvious to me that the main reason for such a cover is the desire to stir controversy, something that Edge is certainly not a stranger to. Just like Edge, at least according to some people, I'm calling a spade a spade.
CouldBeWorse
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Haha, what a post.
do you want to feel bad? I can make you feel bad, if that's what you're into.
Pound_lb003
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It's bait, of course - they're still 5 months off. So why do you care? It really makes no difference to the console - or do you think it makes a difference?
You're nuts. It took YEARS to have 3D/2D games as fun as they are now, and you expect Kinect to be widely and well used this generation? As for Steamification of consoles, your heart is on your sleeve and comparing Microsofts DRM stuff with Steam is just the most telling thing. They are not comparable. Thank god they went back on the disk based stuff - it was never progressive, it was obstructional. Thank god they went back on the online stuff, it's the reason there's only 60 million Steam members, and there's 140 million + console users.
They can still Steamify the console without making stupid mistakes.
You're nuts. It took YEARS to have 3D/2D games as fun as they are now, and you expect Kinect to be widely and well used this generation? As for Steamification of consoles, your heart is on your sleeve and comparing Microsofts DRM stuff with Steam is just the most telling thing. They are not comparable. Thank god they went back on the disk based stuff - it was never progressive, it was obstructional. Thank god they went back on the online stuff, it's the reason there's only 60 million Steam members, and there's 140 million + console users.
They can still Steamify the console without making stupid mistakes.
Well constructed post with some thought put into it. I commend you for it and respect your opinion.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Thank you, that's all I ask. We can vehemently disagree and still have a civil and reasoned discussion.
Fair points, well made. For what it's worth, I agree with you that UK sales are unlikely to reflect the Internet discontent with the Xbox One, I think it's likely to swap over to 60/40 in Sony's favour, but total victory/bomb is the preferred language online.
I doubt the point of the article is to 'examine current sentiment among hardcore gamers' though, we just dont know yet, but it is more likely to be examining current sentiment amongst the author and various other talking heads/commentators/the usual suspects.
I'm sure they'd be the first to admit that the cover provoking discontent is entirely intentional. Time will tell if it is worth the added interest and publicity compared to the damage to their relationship with MS PR.
I'd also be willing to bet that this kind of article is out now as none of the big games are being currently advertised- advertising revenue drops off a cliff in mag sales in the summer. Running this cover in September, when MS's media agency is booking ads for the next quarter, now that would be brave, and also probably completely suicidal. There's plenty of time for them to smooth things over- what's important to their sales is that they show reasonable balance/variety of articles over time, not necessarily within a single article, and they've been going for 20 years.
gamerforever
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I think Sony will runaway with this generation quite easily unless MS lower the price of their console by $100.
The problem is MS don't actually know what people want anymore or think they know what they want.
I respect Sony for going back to basics and focusing on the gamers and developers.
The problem is MS don't actually know what people want anymore or think they know what they want.
I respect Sony for going back to basics and focusing on the gamers and developers.
mangochutney
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I think you're confusing them with Annoyed Gamer.
MrCookiepants
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You shouldn't feel bad. I'm sure most of us will end up buying an Xbone somewhere along the line. It's just mindblowing to me that some are still so loyal to Microsoft after all this. I really don't see what they've done to deserve fans like this. Ya'll must really like those 3 franchises a lot.
That headline was in the goddamn sun...
Ahhhhh, cool. Thanks for clearing that up.
The problem with the Xbox One is it reeks of design by committee. It wants to be an all-in-one media convergence device, gaming system, cable box, living room PC, video phone, and Kinect platform. It's like nobody could decide what the focus should be so they threw everything they could in it which not only diluted its gaming prowess it drove the price up.
The PS4 preference was obviously going to shift once MS reversed - it was the only way they could save the 180 at that point. You have a reasonable post here, but your other posts indicate a clear MS bias, and I'm not the only one to notice this. Even in the post quoted, you felt the need to point out how preferences shifted after the policy reversal, and indirectly that the 'hardcore segment' doesn't matter in grand scheme of sales. Those statements have nothing to do with your condemnation of Edge's title except to assert that the 180 will equal or better the PS4 in sales. I agree that the issue's title is sensationalist, but coming from you it's rather funny. That said, I can't say that without noting my own biases. I just think if we're going to condemn Edge for writing a title like this, it should be from an objective standpoint and not in favor of one console or the other.
Now, see here, kids. This was an excellent post.
CadetMahoney
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The only thing that matteres is exclusivity, but even console exclusivity is apparently irrelevant if it's also on PC according to some ppl (oh and something benefiting the launch line up only applies to first party retail games for some mysterious reason).
state_vector_collapse
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Jesus christ....are you being obtuse on purpose? I wanted to buy one of the machines in day one and I can only decide which one to buy based on what games have been shown so far. Of the ones that have been shown, I prefer those on the Xbox.
I'm certainly not going to buy one based on supposed performance advantages and couldn't give a toss about any DRM nonsense as I keep my games anyway. And I already explained about the controller and my hand. I think I'm done explaining myself.
Unknown Soldier
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So what will happen as more games are revealed at Gamescom and TGS leading up to the launch of the new consoles? It seems silly to have decided already on either console based solely on launch titles when both 180 and PS4 haven't had their entire launch lineups revealed yet.
See, if you WERE deciding based on performance advantages, DRM or lack thereof, mandatory camera, or just price difference, then you could decide immediately. But to claim you decided based on the games is the least believable claim you can make here, when both consoles have so many still-unrevealed launch titles!
LowEndTorque
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The comparisons between the PS4 and 180 exclusives is a short-term comparison. Any advantage MS currently has in exclusives likely won't last beyond the launch period.
MS's past pattern of behaviour shows a strong launch lineup to hook customers in initially, which then transitions into a reliance on yearly sequels of 3-4 high selling titles. I don't expect that to change this gen. They can't moneyhat big timed exclusives like Titanfall throughout an entire generation. They also had a drought of exclusives in the past couple of years probably because they were focussing all of their resources on 180 games.
Sony's past pattern of behaviour shows a consistent output of exclusive games with a lot of variety and new IP's. I don't expect that to change either this gen. We still haven't seen what ND, QD etc. have cooking for the PS4. We haven't seen GG's cyberpunk RPG and so on. When you look at the PS3's exclusive lineup for 2013 it's pretty clear that a lot of their top studios haven't shifted focus fully to the PS4 yet. Long story short: PS3 had the better exclusive output overall throughout the course of this gen, and PS4 will most likely have the better exclusive output overall throughout the course of next gen. You can't moneyhat nearly two decades of experience and expertise in acquiring and managing first party studios.
MS's past pattern of behaviour shows a strong launch lineup to hook customers in initially, which then transitions into a reliance on yearly sequels of 3-4 high selling titles. I don't expect that to change this gen. They can't moneyhat big timed exclusives like Titanfall throughout an entire generation. They also had a drought of exclusives in the past couple of years probably because they were focussing all of their resources on 180 games.
Sony's past pattern of behaviour shows a consistent output of exclusive games with a lot of variety and new IP's. I don't expect that to change either this gen. We still haven't seen what ND, QD etc. have cooking for the PS4. We haven't seen GG's cyberpunk RPG and so on. When you look at the PS3's exclusive lineup for 2013 it's pretty clear that a lot of their top studios haven't shifted focus fully to the PS4 yet. Long story short: PS3 had the better exclusive output overall throughout the course of this gen, and PS4 will most likely have the better exclusive output overall throughout the course of next gen. You can't moneyhat nearly two decades of experience and expertise in acquiring and managing first party studios.
Windom Earle
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Remember Citadel still fighting the good fight, shock and awe. Funny how he stopped replying in the Xbox boss thread after Amir0x put him into his place.
It seems Microsoft has completely lost focus of first-party exclusives. They started this generation really strong with Halo, Gears, Crackdown, and Forza but got into a lazy rut of simply moneyhatting for exclusive DLC or limited release windows. Going into the next generation they don't seem to be putting any effort into starting new franchies just milking the old teats for what they're worth. Their biggest exclusive for the Xbox One is Titanfall and again, it looks like a limited exclusivity deal (plus it's on the PC anyway).
I sold my PS3 a few months back and am now kicking myself of not being able to play TLOU. There's nothing really on the 360 now that would make me feel the same way about losing that console (though I still have it).
I sold my PS3 a few months back and am now kicking myself of not being able to play TLOU. There's nothing really on the 360 now that would make me feel the same way about losing that console (though I still have it).
Moneyhats2k5
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To be honest I lost interest in gaming last year and just now started getting interested again with the next gen on the horizon. I didn't hear about TLOU until after release and the hype around it. I only sold the PS3 (60GB fatty) because I knew the PS4 was coming and wanted to cash in before the announcement.
Surely when deciding which to buy at launch, you must look at the bigger and long term picture as regards exclusive games? You don't spend 400/500 on a machine to play one or two games at launch.
As clearly demonstrated on PS3, Sony IMO has much more to offer in this regard. History i'm sure will repeat itself, only difference being the games will appear quicker this time around.
As clearly demonstrated on PS3, Sony IMO has much more to offer in this regard. History i'm sure will repeat itself, only difference being the games will appear quicker this time around.
hydrophilic attack
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