Fighting Games Weekly | July 1-7 | Heel turns, shattered dreams, broken cages

Anyone else have a xuandou zhiwang account? I got in and it's actually pretty fun. They added some level up tree a few days ago, I don't know what I'm doing on it though, I just click on the pictures that look nice. IGN is sixmachine if any of you guys wanted to play.
 
Anyone else have a xuandou zhiwang account? I got in and it's actually pretty fun. They added some level up tree a few days ago, I don't know what I'm doing on it though, I just click on the pictures that look nice. IGN is sixmachine if any of you guys wanted to play.
I don't, but if by any chance you have invites to give in the near future, I wouldn't mind getting one! ^^
But I don't even know if players can get invites, or if you can only get in with keys given by the devs...

Why aren't any of you playing the Skullgirls PC Beta.
Tried the PS3 demo when it was first released; didn't like it one bit.
 
That's a poor reasoning for not needing nerfs considering you can apply that logic to all the top tiers. Everyone can beat Vergil or deal with his strats same for Zero, Magneto and Wolverine. Morrigan when set up crushes a good portion of the cast and even regular Soul Fists plus Missiles is an excuciating defense to deal with. Soul Fist is not her only option, she can go in with Shell Kick which a lot of characters have a hard time contesting as it is.

So there is obviously some balance issue here when some teams (even teams that are technically sound) get beaten at the character select screen. If Morrigan does not "need" nerfs then no top tier "needs" nerfs... except Hidden Missiles because that is a rare case of stupidity.
If only a few characters can't handle Morrigan, they should be buffed instead if her getting nerfed. Basic sense in balancing. You are wrong about those matchup comparisons, too. Morrigan has very fair matchups against most of the cast. She also has a good number of bad matchups. The problem is solely hidden missiles.

Your definition's just wrong. Technical usually means a mix of complicated/high-execution. (Aka, the polar opposite of Sentinel.) Morrigan gets referred to as technical due to the carpal tunnel nightmare that is Astral Vision.

Dormammu's really not a technical character. He's relatively simple.
Did you just call Sentinel low execution?

the best part about that is Chris' team forces you to focus on fundamentals



Well coming from the Smash community they use the terms like "tech skill" and technical to refer to ones execution of some of the most demanding techniques in the game. Some one who's technical has great execution and can pull off the advance techniques rather consistently. So when I think of a technical character I think a character who is relatively demanding to use.
That is why I like his team.

Referring to technique is fair, but most characters in Marvel have difficult tech that becomes necessary at high levels of play. It's still kind of a vague term.
 
Did Dahbomb just say Logan can be beaten with all characters? O_O

And the nerf creates more imbalance than it fixes. Buffing the weaker is the way to go.

And reason why Morrigan is dominating is people are having to build a team that can survive Logan AND kill Morrigan. If Logan wasn't a factor, Morrigan would be more balanced since her bad matchups would be more played.

Seriously. Whenever a point's character viability is based off can they beat Logan, something is wrong.
 
Please never say this again, everyone.

Ok. :(

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I wish there were more FG players on pc master race :(

Having 360 and PS3 TE sticks actually still work on it next gen will not hurt.

I'm still hoping the KOF steam release will be in the mold of king of combat. Might as well knock off the knock off and see how it goes.
 
So great you can never leave home. :(

I know what you mean from an offline session standpoint and it would be silly to use a desktop just to play some SF4 at a gathering, but the whole "unplug your stick all the time" is silly considering that SF4 accepts most sticks right away, plus most gaming computers load SF4 right away since it's not heavy on resources.

Besides, the crowd of offline/tournament monsters is a lot smaller compared to online/stream monster crowd (as seen in these threads and all across the internet :P).
 
Oh bleh.

I have two copies of the game. I should be given one anyway! :(


I just read the official thread and apparently you can buy in to it right now for $36 but you don't get a copy of the game ($15)

that's probably not any less "bleh" though. Not sure why they took the game out of the package at that price.
 
Did Dahbomb just say Logan can be beaten with all characters? O_O.
Yes he can be beaten with ALL characters AND has been beaten soundly by all characters. Maybe not Phoenix Wright (because he's a garbage character who can't really beat anyone) but even characters like Hsien Ko can wreck Wolverine. Wolverine being a rushdown character still has to get in balls deep where things can go wrong very easily. It's certainly 100% riskier than throwing fireballs full screen away while Missiles are being summoned.

And then some character absolutely wreck Wolverine in match ups. Nova, Taskmaster, Haggar, Zero, Trish, Viewtiful Joe, Frank 4/5 hell even Doom is a big problem for Wolverine. The big thing that Wolverine has going for him (and also Vergil) is that the character he wrecks get wrecked hard. Characters like Hawkeye, Strange, MODOK, Thor get demolished by him but even they can manage him with a good assist and good defense. A properly placed SoV or a j.S by MODOK can kill Wolverine rather easily. You X factor a dive kick you are forcing Wolverine to either X factor in response or give away the kill... any character in the game can do that. Compare to the zoning teams where you can't just X factor kill on block.

No one ever thought of coming up with anti-Wolverine tech because there is no need... its all over in the game and its not a major problem for many pro players. He's not even top 5 in the game and he does not prevent you from using your own well made team like MorriDoom does. Proper skills, defense and team construction beats Wolverine every time. When was the last time Wolverine won something? Justin Wong at SEA where there were hardly an US competition and before that PRRog at SCR.

Seriously. Whenever a point's character viability is based off can they beat Logan, something is wrong.
No the game is not "can my team beat Logan" it's "can my team beat MorriDoomVergils". You are foolish to think otherwise. Its far more important for a character to be able to stand up to Vergil rather than Wolverine as Vergil shuts down zoning harder than Wolverine does. MorriDoom having Vergil at the back allows it to overcome the few teams that can actually go toe to toe with it.
 
I just read the official thread and apparently you can buy in to it right now for $36 but you don't get a copy of the game ($15)

that's probably not any less "bleh" though. Not sure why they took the game out of the package at that price.

You're misreading the post I think; you still get the beta key and the final game key at $36. It's just the $5 and $10 tiers, titled Pre-order and Pro-order respectively, which don't get the game.
 
Fighting games on the PC are wonderful. They crap all over their console versions.

AE PC>>>>>>>>>>>>>AE console version
MK9 PC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK9 console version
Skullgirls PC>>>>>Skullgirls console version

Also, I saw that Yatagarasu is finally going to use GGPO. I'm definitely backing it now.
It was a donation incentive when they had that going
http://labzerogames.com/store/

You can still get it from here.
 
Yeah, Logan makes a large portion of the cast WHO can beat Morrigan unplayable.

Also how many freaking Logans consistently make top 16? Or how many Logans make top 32?

SO yeah. To defend Logan and then do your usual of Morrigan is evil is stupid.

And Logan with his walk speed makes a lot of the cast unviable and puts you in more risk due to you having to DEPEND on meter and XF just to survive.

You complain about Morrigan without realizing another factor. Also "chucking fireballs" with Morrigan isn't anywhere as easy as you act like.

The characters who can beat Morrigan lose to Logan, so as long as Logan is existing, Morrigan will never lose. And to nerf Morrigan/HM means we will get derp rushdown non stop.

Also doing that will just freaking cause Chris G to change teams and still kick ass cause he is that much better currently at Marvel than a lot of the pros.

The only characters you mentioned that can defeat both Logan and Morrigan are Nova. Also Frank doesn't start out at 4/5. So don't see how that affects Logan since his gameplan is at the beginning.

Shit. I would rather take Morridoom winning instead of Derperine, cause at least you can beat Morrigan if the player fucks up an input.
 
Also how many freaking Logans consistently make top 16? Or how many Logans make top 32?
Very few actually. In the last few majors there were like 2 Wolverines in top 8 and it's always PRRog and Justin Wong. Everyone else gets eliminated. In fact out of all the tournaments that Wolverine has ever won it has almost exclusively been those 2 players. Other top Wolverine players like Y2J and Noel Brown barely place. The number is still higher than Morrigans but it dwarfs in comparison to Vergil, Doom and Magneto.

And Logan with his walk speed makes a lot of the cast unviable and puts you in more risk due to you having to DEPEND on meter and XF just to survive.
His walk speed does not make the cast "unviable" LMAO! Yes Wolverine has a ridiculous start of round game but it's not even the best, it does not touch Hulk + Lariat which by the way destroys Wolverine. You absolutely do not need meter and XF "just to survive".


You complain about Morrigan without realizing another factor.
What other factor? Characters like Vergil, Zero, Viper, Magneto, Doom are far above the food chain than Wolverine. And I am not really complaining about Morrigan but rather MorriDoom which no combination of Wolverine + another assist even comes close to.


The characters who can beat Morrigan lose to Logan, so as long as Logan is existing, Morrigan will never lose. And to nerf Morrigan/HM means we will get derp rushdown non stop.
No we won't... instead we will get Zero + Jam Session or Vergil + Strider which are far more potent than any Wolverine team. If this current Logan was in fact the best character in the game then this game would be extremely balanced because Wolverine would have a much harder time going through the Haggars or Zeros since those teams aren't getting destroyed by Missile teams anymore.


The only characters you mentioned that can defeat both Logan and Morrigan are Nova.
I didn't list all the characters there but Vergil beats both of them. Zero with Jam Session can beat both of them as well. Magneto does reasonably well against both of them.


Shit. I would rather take Morridoom winning instead of Derperine, cause at least you can beat Morrigan if the player fucks up an input.
So now we get to the crux of the argument which is that you are letting personal bias affect your statements about characters. So you don't like a particular style or character and think it's a bigger factor than it is. Thanks for exposing the truth yourself, no need to discuss this further. By the way, if the Wolverine player fucks up an input or presses too many buttons he gets Swiss Cheese which is far more punishable than anything that Morrigan does in the air.
 
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