Grenouille
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I hope you aren't being serious. Comparing hunt cro cop or nogueira to OKAMI or even sonnen? Remember they were not old and embarrassing as they are now (hell, hunt even gave JDS a very good fight recently).
UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud
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I hope you aren't being serious. Comparing hunt cro cop or nogueira to OKAMI or even sonnen? Remember they were not old and embarrassing as they are now (hell, hunt even gave JDS a very good fight recently).
I don't get how this loss tarnishes his legacy. If he was thoroughly outclassed and exposed, I could see that. But the man went out doing what he loved, clowning. Hell, he was doing worse in both Sonnen fights until he won those. If anything this fight exposed him for not having a jaw of granite everyone thought he had.
Jest Chillin
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He's 38 years old and this is all he's done his entire life. He signed that deal to make sure he continued making paychecks no matter what happens. Even if he didn't expect to lose to Weidman he was getting pressured into GSP or Jones superfights and knew someone was going to get him eventually.
I'm still going with Silva in the rematch, provided he doesn't act a fool.
After listening to the post-fight presser, I realized that Anderson disdains and despises a fighter who will not stand toe to toe with him, like a man. In the moment, he is disrespecting the opponent with every ounce of his being, and it's all fair game. And he doesn't seem to think Weidman is any better than the general population of good fighters in the UFC.
Thats my interpretation of what few words he said last night. No doubt there will be a rematch. And I think Rogan was right that losing the belt is like having a giant weight removed from his shoulders.
Thats my interpretation of what few words he said last night. No doubt there will be a rematch. And I think Rogan was right that losing the belt is like having a giant weight removed from his shoulders.
Phat Michael
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I would. in the last few years I've never seen Silva really "commit" to a fight. I don't think he has the hunger to win anymore, that was way more showboating than he usually puts on. the guy has serious talent but I wish he had a real aggressive instinct rather than playing around.
Weidman looked good on the ground too..
There will be a rematch, no doubt.
Wuthering_Heights
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As an extremely casual fan, what I find the most funny is how during the fight the commentators were laughing it up and drinking in all of Silva's antics, but as soon as he got knocked out the tune changed to, "You can't joke around during a fight!" etc, etc.
Great night for Weidman
But bad night for UFC and Silva, his antics made a mockery out of the sport, that is his own fault, but since he was the champion and one of UFC's biggest stars it naturally spills over to UFC.
It is a shame that it feels so anti climatic, yet you cannot blame Weidman for that, or blame him for anything. One of their biggest stars looked barely like he took the actual competition seriously
All the joking, mockery was great as long as he was winning, but now that he has lost it makes that belt, the promotion and everything look bad.
But bad night for UFC and Silva, his antics made a mockery out of the sport, that is his own fault, but since he was the champion and one of UFC's biggest stars it naturally spills over to UFC.
It is a shame that it feels so anti climatic, yet you cannot blame Weidman for that, or blame him for anything. One of their biggest stars looked barely like he took the actual competition seriously
All the joking, mockery was great as long as he was winning, but now that he has lost it makes that belt, the promotion and everything look bad.
Anderson has admitted that him showboating is just mindgames trying to induce his opponents into mistakes. He took it way too far last night, especially with the fake stanky leg, dropping his face right into Wideman's punching range.
Also, this is the reason
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637
Also, this is the reason
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637
Ninja Scooter
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I never thought the mocking was great for the sport or Anderson's career, even when he was winning. When Anderson is standing there, letting a guy like Stephan Bonnar tee off on him and get free shots at his chin which Silva shrugs off like it was nothing, what is that saying about the level of competition? You are basically saying to all hte people that paid hundreds of dollars for tickets or $60 for PPV "This guy is a fucking SCRUB who has no shot of beating me". It's like the problem Roy Jones Jr had in his prime. He's have these publicity stunts where he would play in a semi-pro basketball game in the afternoon and have a professional title fight at night, thinking that will sell tickets, but all that told fans is "If this guy can play in a basketball game during the day and still fight at night, the guy he must be fighting must suck ass".
onadesertedisland
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Rematch?
Weidman has better wrestling, has knock-out power in his stand-up and is ten years younger. I would like to say it would be close if Silva takes it serious. I think Anderson could poke his way to a decision.
Weidman has displayed world class skills against one of the greatest of all time. Betting either way seems like a coin flip.
Weidman has better wrestling, has knock-out power in his stand-up and is ten years younger. I would like to say it would be close if Silva takes it serious. I think Anderson could poke his way to a decision.
Weidman has displayed world class skills against one of the greatest of all time. Betting either way seems like a coin flip.
No i started watching sports since 89 and MMA since Pride.
And no this is not what usually happens in fights, this is very much something unique to Silva, he does it more than anyone else. How does this "happen" in fights? It happens because he decided it would happen, he dicked around and this time got punished for it.
It also rarely if ever happens in any other sport, i do not see LeBron James dicking around and chucking threes for lulz in a NBA game 7 final.
Ninja Scooter
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This doesn't just happen in fights. At least not to great fighters because they are smart enough to know you can't clown around in the ring like that. This happens in sports to clowns. Guys like DeSean Jackson who drops the ball to celebrate before he gets to the endzone. Guys lke Ricky Davis missing a shot on purpose to try and get a triple-double. It's fucking clown shoes and should be beneath someone the caliber of Anderson Silva. His blatant stupidity lost him that fight. That's not usually how you want to see the greats go out.
TheKaeptain
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Yeah Anderson totally walked in Weidman's fist because he knew it would knock him out.
Thiiis. First round announcers were slobbering over him "this is why he's the greatest". 2nd round, "this is why you can't do that in the octagon".
It sort of is a mockery of the sport though, in every way. The superfights of JJ/Silva or GSP/Silva didn't happen because of bad business for those friends. This fight happens, Silva knocked out like an idiot and afterwards states "changed my life for this fight". On top of that, his final statement is "have 10 fights left on contract" instead of "I want my belt back". That's not sport, that's business.
I feel like Weidman was lucky to win. He basically admitted that Anderson's taunting got to him at the press conference ("I basically said screw it I'm going to hit him") or something to that effect. His takedown was also stuffed in the 2nd round and he stopped trying to get the fight to the mat. At that point his gameplan appeared to be trading punches with Anderson. Is that honestly a strategy that is likely to lead to success, or is it more likely he lucked out and won because Anderson didn't take him seriously and he landed a punch he would have no business landing otherwise? Chael almost did the same thing in the first fight by scoring a few punches that took out Anderson's legs as he had his hands down and looked what happened in the 2nd fight.
I'd take Anderson in the rematch.
Ps I'm not even an Anderson fan but I do enjoy his fights and style.
I'd take Anderson in the rematch.
Ps I'm not even an Anderson fan but I do enjoy his fights and style.
Impeccable
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Told you. Didn't think it would be like that, but thank god Weidman knocked some sense into Anderson and his games. They were getting obnoxious.
Welcome to the Weidman era.
Welcome to the Weidman era.
JimiNutz
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I was thinking about the fights last night today and it was blowing my mind how Weidman won (more the way that he won, not that he won as I thought he was maybe capable of this).
I got really fucking high today with my girlfriend - who also got up at 2am last night (UK time) and stayed up until 5am with me to watch the fights.
We are so high (like, Nick Diaz high) and we were watching a youtube video of the Joe Rogan Q&A at the fan expo this year. I started getting all crazy paranoid and shit and I started thinking that last night was a fix. Like, I was so high (I'm still pretty fucking high now) and I was thinking that Dana the Fertita brothers planned all of this and they asked Weiddman to throw the fight so that Weidman could be a new all American good looking chap (who isn't black). That way they could sell more PPV to racist white folks (this is the weed talking man, so high).
Anyway, I started watching the post fight press conference vid on youtube and I was watching Dana talking about what he thought of the way that Silva lost. Dana was coming out with some bullshit and it all smelled fishy man. Anyway then Silva started saying some shit about looking after his family for a while and fake retiring and it was like really shitty acting (Silva would be a terrible actor).
Then I started getting really crazy. Like my mind was thinking up mad shit, and I thought that "what if every fighter in the UFC was an actor!"
Like, it's all just a more adult version of WWE and its all just a made up storyline? Like even Rogan is an actor (he used to be, right?) and he was the best actor of all because it was his job to convince you at home that it is real?
These are some fucking crazy weed thoughts. Like crazy paranoia.
Then you realise that, is crazy talk!
UFC is as real as it gets - that's their tag line, right?
Damn I'm still high.
I got really fucking high today with my girlfriend - who also got up at 2am last night (UK time) and stayed up until 5am with me to watch the fights.
We are so high (like, Nick Diaz high) and we were watching a youtube video of the Joe Rogan Q&A at the fan expo this year. I started getting all crazy paranoid and shit and I started thinking that last night was a fix. Like, I was so high (I'm still pretty fucking high now) and I was thinking that Dana the Fertita brothers planned all of this and they asked Weiddman to throw the fight so that Weidman could be a new all American good looking chap (who isn't black). That way they could sell more PPV to racist white folks (this is the weed talking man, so high).
Anyway, I started watching the post fight press conference vid on youtube and I was watching Dana talking about what he thought of the way that Silva lost. Dana was coming out with some bullshit and it all smelled fishy man. Anyway then Silva started saying some shit about looking after his family for a while and fake retiring and it was like really shitty acting (Silva would be a terrible actor).
Then I started getting really crazy. Like my mind was thinking up mad shit, and I thought that "what if every fighter in the UFC was an actor!"
Like, it's all just a more adult version of WWE and its all just a made up storyline? Like even Rogan is an actor (he used to be, right?) and he was the best actor of all because it was his job to convince you at home that it is real?
These are some fucking crazy weed thoughts. Like crazy paranoia.
Then you realise that, is crazy talk!
UFC is as real as it gets - that's their tag line, right?
Damn I'm still high.
dem
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Meh
He went from Roy Jones Jr to Naseem mode last night. He took it too far and paid for it.
I'm not sure how that's making a mockery of the sport. He was getting Weidman to open up.
Was it a mockery of the sport when everyone here was posting Gifs of the Griffin fight and calling him *cringe* neo?
He went from Roy Jones Jr to Naseem mode last night. He took it too far and paid for it.
I'm not sure how that's making a mockery of the sport. He was getting Weidman to open up.
Was it a mockery of the sport when everyone here was posting Gifs of the Griffin fight and calling him *cringe* neo?
He is 38 years old and has been UFC champion for several years, the commentators and media cannot stop saying how he is one of the greatest if not greatest fighter of all time. He gets knocked out mid taunt in a championship fight in front of several hundreds of thousands of people, live in attendance and watching at home.
You are welcome to disagree, i do not think that reflects well Silva, and because he was the champion for such a long time and one of the most recognizable UFC stars, that also spills on UFC.
What should have been a great night and makings of a new star in Weidman, it feels instead very anti climactic
And who's fault was it that Anderson didn't take it seriously? Weidman capitalized on Silva's mistake, its that simple. Maybe if Silva took the fight more seriously you would have a stronger argument but the fact remains one fighter went in thinking this was a joke and another wanted to win, sometimes things turn out they way they are suppose to.
That's an excellent comparison. RJJ used to do the same thing (playing high risk games then capitalize on mistakes) until he got knocked out cold by Tarver. He was never the same after that. I hope Spider doesn't have the same fate. Also, it's kind of weird that Spider talks about boxing RJJ, although that might be funny to watch (two guys doing air guitars until the other engages).
Lol please. Anyone can tell Silva basically took the fall because he's done fighting all the scrubs Dana throws at him and the man will go down in history as arguably the greatest UFC fighter of all time. He's 38, has children at home, and wants to get out. That's why he acted like he didn't care but still signed a 10 fight deal. It ensures he still gets paid so he can feed his family. We might be jumping all over Weidman's nuts but he didn't win because he's better than Silva. He won because Silva is done being the champ.
How does Anderson doing something to put the odds in Weidman's favour mean it wasn't lucky? I honestly don't get it. I just feel Weidman's victory had less to do with him being the better fighter than other factors like Anderson's clowning.
TheKaeptain
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Weidman's gameplan was to mix it up. He said so at the presser. He even said on Fuel that his shot in the 2nd was horrible.
Can Crusher
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I don't think he was mocking the sport, but it's undeniable that he took it too far. Obviously it was his choice, and had it worked out people would be singing another tune. Still for a smart fighter, he should've had the notion that you can't clown non stop and eat shots non stop.
It was ridiculous because he wasn't doing it here and there and trying to catch Weidman in between, he was just taking it too far. I even said it out loud over here, that he was taking it way too far and he just didn't felt right. He actually managed to rattle Weidman at the end of the first, and it was time to start picking shots and open him up. Instead he came out clowning into the 2nd round, and didn't stop clowning until he was lights out.
He got carried away really. Mind you I don't think this takes away from Weidman, because he took no shit and bombed Silva back into the favela. He comes out of this smelling like roses in my book, and even if that hadn't happened that way he could've won by other means. It was just depressing to see Silva turn himself into a joke, that's what was absurd.
The plan wasn't to keep it standing so long, even Longo said that he started to get nervous when Weidman kept it standing for so long. The idea of mixing it up is to keep Silva guessing and take him out of his element. Interestingly enough, Silva managed to make Weidman fight his fight by denying the takedown..... Ironically enough.
BadAss2961
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That's true but didnt it look like he abandoned that plan in the 2nd? He was standing in front of Anderson for a dangerous amount of time without trying to mix in a clinch or double leg with his punches. It just seemed like he was roped into the game, and what would you make of his comment I referred to earlier?
Can Crusher
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Don't be ridiculous. There was no luck involved...
How can you even say Weidman was lucky? What was he lucky about? The combo he threw at the end was perfect, and capitalized on Silva's mistake. But that's how you win fights, you capitalize on your opponents mistakes, otherwise nobody fucking wins if nobody is making mistakes.
Did Silva went full retard today? He sure did, but that has zero to do with luck. And if Silva wants to prove the world that he isn't brain dead, and he was just way too fucking overconfident then the playboy has to do the walk of shame and get in that ring again against Weidman.
Either way, there was no luck. It's not like Weidman didn't know what he was doing. People making excuses for Silva look silly, I saw that shit coming from a mile away and he didn't because he was a moron and people should be calling him out.
whoa, cool sounding
TheKaeptain
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Nah. I've watched the fight like 6 times. Weidman was never drawn into Anderson's game. If you watch when Anderson usually does this the guy he is fighting. The opponent doesn't really move his feet. Weidman was moving and keeping up his footwork making Anderson move back. When he threw the punch he step into Silva was more of an indication that he knew how Silva moved. I'd put a shit load of money that he spent a shit load of hours watching tape of Silva show off.
Weidman was lucky because IMO he was baited into abandoning his gameplan and decided to trade punches but he still won! You can't tell me it was part of his plan to stand in front of Anderson for a full minute at a time. Had he actually been fighting a smart fight and not rattled by the taunting he should have mixed in a take down or clinch IMO.
Can Crusher
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So he was lucky because he believed he could knock him out and did it? How the hell does that work?
He didn't buy into Silva's clowning, and kept pushing. What he did buy however is that taking down Silva after the first takedown was getting harder and harder. That's what he bought.
Nameless
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Sure, the end result is what ultimately counts and it's always on the dumbass for screwing themselves, but you're kidding yourself if you see this as a legitimate win for Weidman. History will remember this fight for Anderson dancing around like a bafoon with his hands dropped and getting clubbed out of his streak & title as a result. Not for the GOAT being outclassed and defeated in a MMA contest by a superior combatant. And props to Weidman for understanding this immediately; he couldn't bring up a rematch fast enough after the match.
TheKaeptain
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BadAss2961
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Usually stepping into Silva while missing punches means a deadly counter is coming. But Anderson was in full clown mode last night. He didn't follow up the clowning with any counters.
TheKaeptain
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That's because he stepped to where Silva was moving. Usually they step toward where he was and Silva counters with a quick straight.
Vincent Alexander
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I couldn't agree more. No one is dumb enough to think anything else. It's just sad---I loved Silva. But shit, I was happy to see him knocked out. He beat himself. All he had to do was step back. That was it. But he limbo'ed back while REFUSING to move his feet until he couldn't move his head back farther. And instead of stepping back? Took it like a bitch on the face.
What a moron. Boxing 101---footwork. I never want to see Silva fight again. Let's get back on what's important. Frankie Edgar. I couldn't love him more. That man knows how to fight. Every damn time.
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