Is there a quick low down of the information?
Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]
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Do we know this was a C&D? We still don't have very many details.
"Regrettably, we’ve just been informed by Nintendo of America Inc. that we do not have permission to broadcast Super Smash Bros. Melee for Evo 2013."
EVO could have jumped the gun assuming that they had been denied when Nintendo just wanted them to fill out paperwork. Like assuming you didn't get a job because the employer asked you to fill out an application.
All part of their masterplan.
NintendoGal
Member
I seriously doubt it. Moreso I think he was just another voice in the wave of complaints that washed up on Nintendo's shore.
Passive Assassin
Member
The power glove is too stroink.
hehe, it's almost amazing how calm this thread is now. People came together, got it done surprisingly swift, and left satisfied. Feels good.
more like: A NEW RECORD!! *crowd cheers*
Magicpaint
Member
Wow, now get rid of region locking and things would finally be looking up...
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
People won't learn about it and Nintendo will take all the blame, as usual...
.Professor Beef
Banned
In this case, they deserve the blame.
JBtheHunter
Banned
People assume they deserve the blame, but don't really know any of the details.
Professor Beef
Banned
Why would Nintendo react now, and not years ago when Melee and Brawl were featured games? All this talk of "paperwork" is hilarious.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Aww Beef, you missed all the fun today.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
...Nintendo is literally the only party involved with both the power and intent to put the brakes on it. Of course they're to blame.
You really have to work some weird mental gymnastics to parse the situation differently.
Yep, the fact that they reversed it so quickly probably means it was a misunderstanding of some sort.
Professor Beef
Banned
Yeah, I was helping a friend of mine get through that Luigi DLC for NSMBU all day today.
Nintendo already has a history of being really weird about this kind of stuff. They already had a spat with Let's Plays when they filed copyright to at first remove videos, then they changed that to keep them up but specifically advertise nintendo products. This gave the actual LPer no money, so they basically weren't going to play their games. Then they backpedaled after an outcry.
Melee has been streamed a lot lately, at both tournaments and random people playing. Their history on top of that makes it fairly apparent whatever happened was Nintendo's fault. NOBODY else is so crazy over controlling their footage, streaming is free advertising, especially for something huge like Evo.
We may not know the whole story but Nintendo has their own history making them a target for this already.
Melee has been streamed a lot lately, at both tournaments and random people playing. Their history on top of that makes it fairly apparent whatever happened was Nintendo's fault. NOBODY else is so crazy over controlling their footage, streaming is free advertising, especially for something huge like Evo.
We may not know the whole story but Nintendo has their own history making them a target for this already.
"Because he's the hero Evo deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight."
I think it all depends on how you think of Nintendo. A lot of people think of businesses like they're human beings. In that scenario, well obviously they're wrong. This was a bad thing to do. Nintendo is a huge business, though. Businesses have rules and bureaucracy. They don't always have a thinking mind at all levels of operation. Not all actions they take have a person at the other end debating the ethics behind it. Sometimes things are done because that's how they're done so it happens. So when you accept that Nintendo is a business and may have had rules around this stuff, it's sort of hard to come to terms with who is wrong or right here especially off what little information we have. Nintendo would obviously be in the right for protecting their copyright. EVO would obviously be in the moral right for pursuit something that one wouldn't think was illegal and was a mutually beneficial relationship. In the end, it's probably falling somewhere in the middle. We don't know, and the situation is over already to benefit of both parties, so I don't even know why anyone would need a definite target to blame for this.
Professor Beef
Banned
...this literally would not be a thing if Nintendo didn't decide to try and put the kibosh on the stream. Nintendo being ignorant to the past 10 years of tournaments and competitions and streams is to blame.
Snapshot King
Member
Hey look, there's the mental gymnastics in the post you were replying to. You did it!
It isn't a thing at all. I don't know if you read the thread topic but the stream is back on. There's literally nothing to be upset about other than a hypothetical scenario that was very quickly put down.
JBtheHunter
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But we don't even know if any brakes were actually put on it. For all we know Nintendo just postponed Melee's involvement in the streams because wanted to clarify with the people of EVO before they allow their game to be shown at such a big event. The statement says "we do not have permission to broadcast Super Smash Bros. Melee for Evo 2013" That can be taken a lot of ways. People just decided to take the easy route and assume Nintendo just removed it because they could.... which makes ZERO sense.
Bullshit. Just because they backed down doesn't mean this isn't an issue. They attempted to assert their rights in the first place. Was it legal? Probably yes. Does it betray a complete lack of understanding of fan cultures and fan communities and their attitudes to copyrighted material? Absolutely. Does this bode ill for Nintendo's actions in the future? Of course. This isn't some flash in the pan. As Stump I believe mentioned far earlier in the thread, it's symptomatic of a larger problem that Nintendo has with the nature of fan consumption these days and their inability to control all of it.
Even if, in best case scenario, this was a case of legal sending out a C+D before talking to marketing, that's still a worrying scenario.
JBtheHunter
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This is 100% assumption. There are NO details about this situation. I'm tired of seeing people come up with their own idea of what happened. We don't know at all... AT ALL... what Nintendo and EVO respectively did to cause this to happen.
I mean we went from "We don't have permission broadcast Melee" to a few hours later, Melee being broadcast again. That doesn't sound like Nintendo trying to control the situation. If they wanted to do that they would have done it a long time ago around the time Melee was first revealed to be broadcast at EVO. To me it sounds like a miscommunication. This is my guess based on the simple logic of putting 2 and 2 together.
Professor Beef
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Nintendo didn't even know that MLG was streaming Melee all those years ago. It's straight ignorance on their part.
I think you're drawing a whole lot of conclusions out of absolutely nothing. These issues are blown up into being such a big deal because they're incredibly un-Nintendo, not that they're necessarily that big of a deal to begin with. This is the company that let a popular fan film hit theaters and then be distributed around the internet for free, with their support. I would have believed that there were issues going on in communication over this stuff.. back before they fixed this issue in just a few hours. If anything, I think they've proven themselves efficient at this stuff since then.
JBtheHunter
Banned
Umm... okaaaay. Good to know. I don't know what this has to do with anything.
You and I are ignorant because we don't actually know what happened. Nintendo is knowledgeable.
Starfish Hero
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If it's Nintendo's policy to ask permission to stream, I don't see how it's Nintendo's fault Evo didn't get permission. We don't know what happened, which means we don't know who fucked up. Assuming it has to be Nintendo's fault, at this point, is disingenuous. Either way, the issue is resolved so until we do get word on what happened and who fucked up, there isn't much left to discuss.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
The first part doesn't match the second part.
JBtheHunter
Banned
Yes it does. The second part is my uneducated, but logical GUESS about what happened. What I'm tired of is ASSUMPTIONS: "A thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof"
Professor Beef
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I think this entire thing has (once again) proven that you shouldn't be using logic with Nintendo.
JBtheHunter
Banned
You shouldn't use assumptions with Nintendo either. I remember when people assumed that we'd never get a new Kid Icarus game. I remember when people assumed the Wii U wasn't getting Watch Dogs. I remember when people assumed the 3DS would fail. It's best to stay objective.
Nope. We can't even tell you why it (almost) happened in the first place. Most people assume it's because of the outcry. My guess is that they just needed to clarify with EVO. Nobody really knows though.
No one is sure why they even denied it in the first place.
No need to be racist.
People pretend that nobody ever makes mistakes, especially a big company with his headquarter in a different country, and knows about anything what happens on the internet. Since if they know about it, then it has to be basic knowledge.
Professor Beef
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It was not a problem when they streamed Brawl. Twice, IIRC.