AI shouldnt change behaviors for difficulty reasons. Only their health and damage output.
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New Killzone: Shadow Fall gameplay
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AI shouldnt change behaviors for difficulty reasons. Only their health and damage output.
Yep that's exactly what's happening
doniewhalberg
Member
Yup, this please!
For starters, yes KZ 2 had some of the BEST AI, from the range of tactical movements they do to how they engage you. It had such a tactical feel to it and they did challenge you. Not once did I feel Halo 3 has "good ai" when I was playing it. It was just a lot of enemies being thrown at you. Probably the same people who think enemies flanking you in The last of us is "bad ai"
I would put 100$ in this being on easy difficulty too.
The game play in its self for me is exciting and something I am looking forward too.
They have shown that KZSF will have moments were you can play how you want, you can pace the game, your decision on how you tackle the objective, you can take your time in a sense.
The OWL in its self is incredible too, from the large amount of options it allows to how it will change how the game will be played. I don't think many people understand how much this will change and enhance the gameplay...
Yes graphically this part isn't all that good looking, but when you compare it to every other game we have seen... it is still one of the best looking, with only C3 beating it ( once you have a very high computer) but the art style of KZ:SF is more appealing to me either way.
KZ SF is breaking the typical linear balls to the wall non stop action to give us a new way of playing this game (this game as in KILLZONE) and if you look at current gen, hardly ANY FPS games offer this level of openness and freedom.
Obviously the game will have its fair share of non stop linear areas but to see there will be this more open areas is very good news, variety of how you play.
Also, the gameplay shown here always looks boring for any game shown, the REAL fun comes from you playing this part were YOU can decide how to tackle the mission, so really it's not the game or the mission you find boring, what you actually find boring is the decisions the guy playing made ( well not entirely, but more or less)
The OWL, so good.
I would put 100$ in this being on easy difficulty too.
The game play in its self for me is exciting and something I am looking forward too.
They have shown that KZSF will have moments were you can play how you want, you can pace the game, your decision on how you tackle the objective, you can take your time in a sense.
The OWL in its self is incredible too, from the large amount of options it allows to how it will change how the game will be played. I don't think many people understand how much this will change and enhance the gameplay...
Yes graphically this part isn't all that good looking, but when you compare it to every other game we have seen... it is still one of the best looking, with only C3 beating it ( once you have a very high computer) but the art style of KZ:SF is more appealing to me either way.
KZ SF is breaking the typical linear balls to the wall non stop action to give us a new way of playing this game (this game as in KILLZONE) and if you look at current gen, hardly ANY FPS games offer this level of openness and freedom.
Obviously the game will have its fair share of non stop linear areas but to see there will be this more open areas is very good news, variety of how you play.
Also, the gameplay shown here always looks boring for any game shown, the REAL fun comes from you playing this part were YOU can decide how to tackle the mission, so really it's not the game or the mission you find boring, what you actually find boring is the decisions the guy playing made ( well not entirely, but more or less)
The OWL, so good.
Relative to Shadow Fall, no, that GIF does not look like shit. That phrase simply does not apply here.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Don't play it on easy? I'm not being hyperbolic, I've played MANY FPS games, and I've honestly never seen better. Maybe you got some weird fluke?
I feel the same way, I've got almost no hype for it. It's true they haven't shown much, but it doesn't help that the first stuff they show looks like it could be some future shooter of any other name.
Clinton514
Member
lol! They've been schooled on Vekta. They're losing their accent.
Vire
Member
Titanfall, easily.
Killzone wins the graphical battle, but I don't really care, Titanfall just seems a lot more fun.
Gunplay looks worse in this than in Killzone 2 which sucks.
FonkyByNature
Member
Everytime someone posts "new Killzone Shadow Fall gameplay" i'm exited, then i see it's the same forest stage from E3... 
shinobi602
Member
SPACECADET
Member
it is attaching to objects/elements in the level. it is flying out of the robotic owl that you use. it floats at one end holding it up. the other end which it shot out and attached to a pole or a tree or a building holds it up, and you tether over. i thought that was kinda obvious.
Future PhaZe
Member
My hype has gone down a bit.
The initial reaction I had to the new environment and larger scale was awesome, but the more I watch the more I realize that this is basically KZ3 + Owl and open environments.
That equates to a fun rental I suppose, but not much more.
To be fair I need to see more though, MP included.
The initial reaction I had to the new environment and larger scale was awesome, but the more I watch the more I realize that this is basically KZ3 + Owl and open environments.
That equates to a fun rental I suppose, but not much more.
To be fair I need to see more though, MP included.
Vire
Member
The end that isn't the OWL doesn't have anything that is modeled that attaches to something.
It's just a rope texture flying off into the distance, looks really bad.
It should have a hook on the other end.
Looks ... like shit?
Less impressive, sure. But ... like shit, compared to Shadow Fall?
A vast, vast exaggeration. The particle effects are the prime differentiator, otherwise I can't see the leap. I can see a jump, just not a leap. But that's just me.
shinobi602
Member
Well...yes...that's pretty much what a natural evolution would be. I'm not sure what exactly you were expecting.
Phinal Phantasy
Banned
The pop-in and polystarved forest do not impress me much. Oh oh oh. You say you've got the moves, but do you got the touch?
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Sure it does.
Yeah, people tend to look at last gen with rose tinted glasses. To say Killzone '4' is merely a small leap over 3 is a pretty idiotic claim.
Krusenstern
Banned
What I noticed is that the HUD in the February reveal demo is moving, while the HUD in the E3 demo is static. How come? And what will be final?
GhostWriter24
Member
Is this 60FPS?
30FPS, 1080p.
iamshadowlark
Banned
The end that isn't the OWL doesn't have anything that is modeled that attaches to something.
It's just a rope texture flying off into the distance, looks really bad.
It should have a hook on the other end.
Preorder cancelled.
Seems pretty meh. You could basically call this game anything and it would make no difference.
- Has wall hacks mode like every other fucking fps these days.
- Janky stab animations.
- Weird AI behavior.
- Pop in.
- Frame rate drops.
- Average looking gameplay.
KZ2 at least had atmosphere. Why do they insist on showing the same boring ass map?
- Has wall hacks mode like every other fucking fps these days.
- Janky stab animations.
- Weird AI behavior.
- Pop in.
- Frame rate drops.
- Average looking gameplay.
KZ2 at least had atmosphere. Why do they insist on showing the same boring ass map?
xValentine
Member
-a companion that shoots enemies and gives quick access to different places
-bullet time
-a convertable rifle
-a projected shield
-a wallhack
All in one soldier.
Thats some next gen easy mode. lol
-bullet time
-a convertable rifle
-a projected shield
-a wallhack
All in one soldier.
Thats some next gen easy mode. lol
What were you expecting? People want sequels to franchises but then want those experiences to be revolutionary instead of evolutionary. It's counterproductive.
It's hard to believe that Shadow Fall is a generation leap from Killzone 2, and not in a good way.
Yikes.
shinobi602
Member
On higher difficulties, you'll be needing all that shit. Killzone's AI is ruthless on anything higher than normal.
Vire
Member
The AI here is idiotic.
Why is the second guy just standing there while his buddy is getting shot?
Why is the second guy just standing there while his buddy is getting shot?
FunkyPajamas
Member
Well, it seems I'm in the minority with my KZ2 AI comment.
For those asking, yeah, I played the game (check the trophy link). I wish I had video capture equipment so that I could demo what I mean: I don't want to be the "posts youtube video of other people showcasing AI failings to prove a point" guy.
For those asking, yeah, I played the game (check the trophy link). I wish I had video capture equipment so that I could demo what I mean: I don't want to be the "posts youtube video of other people showcasing AI failings to prove a point" guy.
It was a joke but wasn't aware of that tidbit.
Even assuming the footage is on easy, I don't remember enemies standing still on easy difficulty in Killzone 2.
I get the impression that the AI just has more problems path finding around the more open environments, with less objects as designated cover points and more natural, open combat arenas.
It probably won't be an issue at release.
Seems like he was running into position.
Again, if you want to pick out moments were the AI is bad, you can do that with pretty much EVERY SINGLE game that ever had AI.
Even TLOU, which to me has one of the best AI, has had its very stupid moments that are a lot more worse than that video.
No I don't mean the friendly AI like Joel or Tess, but actual enemy AI.
No doubt the AI in KZ:SF does look to have been downgraded compared to KZ2, wonder how the higher difficulties will change and finale release.
Judging a game's final graphical quality from a YouTube video is ridiculously stupid.
You're not alone. I didnt find the AI particularly engaging myself.
Lots of waiting for them to pop out their stupid higg domes so I could unload into them.
The animation may have gone a long way into making them look smarter some how?
I judge it with regards to others games, and their respective YouTube videos. Why would that be stupid? Why would a YouTube video of MGSV, or Battlefield 4 be less disadvantaged by being on YouTube than Killzone footage?
And I don't remember saying "This is how it will be on release day", so I don't know how you could have read that.
Phinal Phantasy
Banned
Is it?
The drone seems to make the whole gameplay experience feel cheap and unrewarding.
I don't want press one button and watch a robot shoot some hapless soldiers in the face at 10000 rounds per minute.
A soldier, by the way, who I can see through the wall from the safety of my cover. It takes away all sense of danger and the thrill of overcoming it.
I don't want press one button and watch a robot shoot some hapless soldiers in the face at 10000 rounds per minute.
A soldier, by the way, who I can see through the wall from the safety of my cover. It takes away all sense of danger and the thrill of overcoming it.
FunkyPajamas
Member
I don't play games on easy. Well, except Viewtiful Joe
Listen, let's get back on track. The AI in this demo looks simple and not aggressive. It's likely that's the case since the game is very early. I am looking forward to it since it is visually stunning and I like the art style. I will hope that the AI is up to snuff when the game releases and I trust that GG will bring their A game to the console.
shinobi602
Member
People still doubting this game graphically...
I remember everyone being so skeptical of KZ2 before release and that thing came out and blew everything else away at the time, with the exception of something like Crysis. Then Killzone 3 came out and again was a graphical powerhouse on PS3.
I'm not even worried in the slightest.
I remember everyone being so skeptical of KZ2 before release and that thing came out and blew everything else away at the time, with the exception of something like Crysis. Then Killzone 3 came out and again was a graphical powerhouse on PS3.
I'm not even worried in the slightest.
One could be higher resolution with higher res textures, more particles and better AA, but you would not be able to tell the difference if both videos are using shitty encoding.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Honestly your opinion loses alot of credibility when you use hyperbole. Saying that gif looks like anything remotely close to something like the gif shinobi posted is just BS. Your allowed to not like the graphics but still.