Sorry but this is the perfect example of a wrong opinion.
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New Killzone: Shadow Fall gameplay
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Sorry but this is the perfect example of a wrong opinion.
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miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Not a fan of input lag on FPS games.
Of course. Those weren't launch games.
...okay? That was random.
Meh. I've been spoiled by PC gaming I think...
Saying it is superior from a technical standpoint is impossible because Killzone shadowfall is using techniques that were not possible on the ps3. The LOD in shadowfall is 4x higher than that in Killzone 2/3. Art is subjective and i still don't feel its superior. The whole point of this game is to simulate east and west germany. All they have shown off so far is the good side and we have really seen only 2 levels so again, its a load of nonsense to make such a declaration.
BRocknRolla
Member
Hard to say what this will end up being, but I like the more open environments.
Vire
Member
He's saying that they were more impressive for their time. Not that Killzone 2/3 look better.
He's saying that KZ2 is a more impressive PS3 game (meaning it's pushing the PS3 more) than KZSF is a PS4 game.
shinobi602
Member
Well they did come out 3 and 5 years after the PS3 was released, respectively. This is a launch title and games will continue to look even better as the years go by.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Dev uses power pc to achieve target graphics = people cry foul and that the game will never look like that.
Dev uses actual hardware and a current build or build made just for that demo = What is this? Why is there pop in and why does it look so bad?
Starting to understand why devs use target renderings now. Seems they are actually better off to over promise and under deliver.
Dev uses actual hardware and a current build or build made just for that demo = What is this? Why is there pop in and why does it look so bad?
Starting to understand why devs use target renderings now. Seems they are actually better off to over promise and under deliver.
SniperHunter
Banned
I agree, I think the art direction is kinda ass
Vire
Member
Didn't they say that the February demo was running on PS4 hardware or am I mistaken?
People seemed impressed with that, just not the E3 demo.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I'm on the opposite side of the fence, I personally think this look is a fantastic representation of what Gorilla is capable of. Everyone assumed all they could do was doom and gloom, then they show a completely new lighter side of the spectrum. We know they can do the darker portion better than most, and I'm personally impressed by what I'm seeing here.
The Feb demo looked much better to me because was not bland woods and showed a cool city with lots of nice lighting.
Guerilla.
Krusenstern
Banned
shinobi602
Member
My sentiments exactly. This is a great change of pace, and I know for sure we're going to see the gritty side of things in the game as well.
The Feb demo looked much better to me because was not bland woods and showed a cool city with lots of nice lighting.
Forests>Cities :I
Neuromancer
Member
Absolutely.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Yea, and it is a subjective thing. The E3 demo was introducing the OWL and they wanted to use that area to show some of the things the OWL could do, and to show another environment to show people it isn't all urban the entire game. Many people loved it, like myself, others thought it looked boring. The truth of the matter is we don't know what difficulty level these demos are set to, for all we know they are set to very easy, and these demos even if they were current code are still 4-5 months away from release. Most of the time these demos aren't even current code, however. Heck BF3's beta was using a build that was months old just a couple of weeks before the final product hit shelves. GoW3 was similar as well.
So I think we are dissecting this a little too much. I get it this is a discussion forum and people are having a discussion, but at the same time we are discussing something no one hear has intimate details about and could change a lot up until release.
Vire
Member
The Feb demo looked much better to me because was not bland woods and showed a cool city with lots of nice lighting.
I think part of the problem is that people are so used to industrial settings for Killzone games that they go into convulsions when they see foliage. "This is not Killzone"
The forest itself might have been too big of a jump for some people, while the lighter and brighter city felt fresh, but at the same time not too distant.
Why the fuck would you want that. That is disgusting.
Cave Johnson
Member
This game is too.... mellow. It lacks the intensity of the previous KZ games.
By the way, since "L2" is for hacking I guess they did away with the "cover" system here. Yup.... it's turning into a generic "sandbox" style now.
By the way, since "L2" is for hacking I guess they did away with the "cover" system here. Yup.... it's turning into a generic "sandbox" style now.
More like, the forest level doesn't look that good graphically. The flat grass textures everywhere instead of fields of grass, some low res rock textures, a lot of pop-in -- it just doesn't look like it's running on a system 10x the PS3 in this footage.
The Feb demo looked much better to me because was not bland woods and showed a cool city with lots of nice lighting.
The only main issue I had with the February demo was that the character animations looked a little rough, especially when the guy you were following at the beginning walked down those stairs.
nhlducks35
Member
Meanwhile BF4 at 60FPS (sorry, I'm not trying to hate on SF, still looking forward to its MP portion)
Vire
Member
The guns used to pump drastically with a recoil animation after each successive shot.
They also sounded less pew pew and more boom boom. The jump towards future weapons hurt the gunplay I think.
The day we get good leaf textures and amazing hair physics is the day I can die happy. Seems like games really struggle with this over industrial, urban areas.
That's running on a high end PC. So a very inaccurate comparison.
EDIT: Except the first gif which is from MP and running on a PC specc'd like Xbone.
Why the fuck would you want that. That is disgusting.
I am not a fan of the forest environment in this. The bright colorful Vektan urban environment looks much better visually. Unlike most cities in games its not a pile of brown grey rust colors with floating sprites that represent debris ( i.e. COD garbage). It looks much cleaner, which is a nice change.
Them colors! Also note the surprising cleanliness after a generation of shooters that looked visually atrocious. The buildings look nice enough to inhabit in this game.
Dictator93
Member
shinobi602
Member
Wow you guys jump to conclusions insanely fast. You do know cover is in the game right? Did the game look any less intense in Feb demo? And how is a sandbox shooter generic? Are you serious? Most shooters nowadays are linear shooting galleries. Having an open ended approach in some of these levels is a breath of fresh air.
I would like to think most here on GAF know that when developers demo their games and want to show off new features in them, they don't crank the difficulty up to high so as to die every 30 seconds and have to restart. Everything is set to easy and that's exactly what they did here to show the OWL's capabilities.
I hope a lot of the game is like that. I was hoping playing as a shadow marshal would be more stealthy.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I actually think KZ holds up pretty damn well to BF4.
Some of the environments in the game are breathtaking.
Some of the environments in the game are breathtaking.
Meanwhile BF4 at 60FPS (sorry, I'm not trying to hate on SF, still looking forward to its MP portion)
Running on dual 7970's. While, i do have bf4 preordered on the ps4, i will wait till i see ps4 footage to make any such comparisons.
I have to admit that this guy ^ spent more time admiring the reloading animation of the M82 in KZ2 than killing enemies. It seems the quality of the animations as well as the audio has decayed terribly since then. I have not been blown away by weapon animations either since KZ2s release.
Never really gotten into KZ before, so I don't really care either way. After leading with the city section, the scope of this forest level just doesn't seem particularly impressive.
Dictator93
Member
They also have reduced the amount of Motionblur and depth of field the use.
Game looks less stylized and more polygonal as a result to be honest (coming from a die-hard PC-only 60fps person)
Cover system is still in. Just watch the Feb reveal.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
We don't know that, do we? The fact that some developer had dual cards in their workstation doesn't mean the game was demoed on that.
Another thing that seems to be missing in SF is the way the weapons handled in KZ2. None of them were perfectly accurate despite where you aimed, which gave the weapons a more realistic heavy feeling compared to that extremely tight twitch shot placement that you get in games like COD or CS. The weapons of SF seem to be too accurate. It is a shame because that mechanic was one thing that set KZ2 apart from most shooters.
Another thing that seems to be missing in SF is the way the weapons handled in KZ2. None of them were perfectly accurate despite where you aimed, which gave the weapons a more realistic heavy feeling compared to that extremely tight twitch shot placement that you get in games like COD or CS. The weapons of SF seem to be too accurate. It is a shame because that mechanic was one thing that set KZ2 apart from most shooters.
I agree with this.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
shinobi602
Member
Another thing that seems to be missing in SF is the way the weapons handled in KZ2. None of them were perfectly accurate despite where you aimed, which gave the weapons a more realistic heavy feeling compared to that extremely tight twitch shot placement that you get in games like COD or CS. The weapons of SF seem to be too accurate. It is a shame because that mechanic was one thing that set KZ2 apart from most shooters.
I don't see anything in that GIF about inaccuracy except for a glitching enemy's leg moving out of the reticule area lol.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Oh, I know, but nowhere it said it was dual. That assumption came to be when some of the DICE devs posted a photo of his workstation that had dual 7990s. Unless I missed some news on this.