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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty

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Foffy said:
It's sickening to believe in 2013 we still have bronze-age ideas that skin tone determines the character of a person, and their worth. We would be a better world when we get rid of the aesthetic stupidity and realize everyone has the same worth, no more, no less.

But enough of my fantasy ideals...
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Not all places are like this. Many places in the US people are treated like people. Sure there are some that don't, but people also make fun of short people, tall people, etc. The point is the amount of people that treat others this way is much lower in many areas of the US I see it myself. Some people see fat people as lazy, and they will never change. Some people see color tone with stereotypes, and that may never change. Today's youth are much more tolerant than the adults in the news.
 
GT Vespene said:
From Wikipedia:

Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States. -- It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable

Serious recklessness: Harassing an innocent man while carrying a concealed weapon.

Willful blindness: Stalked an innocent man even after the authorities instructed him to leave him be.

Fact of the matter is, Zimmerman being found not guilty would imply Martin would've been found guilty. He was apparently guilty of walking in the streets at night while being black.
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You're misusing this and trying to use a general Wikipedia article in place of actual Florida law.
 
Ashok said:
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Vile TRASH fuck outta here
 
GT Vespene said:
From Wikipedia:

Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States. -- It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable

Serious recklessness: Harassing an innocent man while carrying a concealed weapon.

Willful blindness: Stalked an innocent man even after the authorities instructed him to leave him be.

Fact of the matter is, Zimmerman being found not guilty would imply Martin would've been found guilty. He was apparently guilty of walking in the streets at night while being black.
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Is this the Manslaughter rules in the state of Florida, or "generally"?
 
Krappadizzle said:
Why don't you be the conduit that starts it then?

This case was decided on by a jury of his peers chosen randomly. It's not some huge huge conspiracy to free a guilty HISPANIC man. The jury found him to be innocent. Do I believe he was? No. I feel he should have been charged with manslaughter. But the evidence wasn't there.

A lot of people are basing their opinions on emotion as opposed to facts. Don't like it, leave America. Don't live in America? Surely every other country in the world has the most perfect legal system, you should go to one of those countries.
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Seriously dude? You can make an argument without having to resort to this, it is beyond silly.
 
MechaX said:
To be honest, I can't think of a single thing that would prevent a Wrongful Death civil suit, unless FL just has some wacky law about it.
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Neither can I. Especially this they can fall back on the "Zimmerman created the situation that led to the death" argument.
 
grandjedi6 said:
well yes. Otherwise he's going to be dried clean for the rest of his life.
Question is whether he gets it.
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I hope he doesn't or at least any money that he makes from this (in book deals or speaking engagements or whatever) goes right to Travon's family. If he makes any money off of this I will be pissed.
 
CreepingFear said:
I'm sure Zimmerman, his daddy, and fox news friends will find a way to hide the money he receives from his new found celebrity. They'll have accounts overseas, stuff put in family member's names, etc.
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I wonder what the law is on that. If people want to just give his mother/father/whatever money out of the blue, does the law connect that to the civil tort (I guess) that is found to have occurred in civil court? If not, I'd think he'd be a millionaire pretty quick from fellow racists raising him up on their shoulders for a victory lap.
 
CrankyJay said:
I expect better from a mod. Come on now.
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I'm not sure what, exactly, this is supposed to mean. I'm supposed to stay out of politically contentious threads and avoid making my position clear?

This is a story about someone who was targeted because of their race, in a state with immoral laws like Stand Your Ground that actively promote injustice (by making selective prosecution and selective verdicts easier to legally justify), with the charges making their way through a justice system that is well-known to be racially biased. You see people saying stuff like "this never would have been the verdict with a black shooter and a white/hispanic teen" in this thread because it's true, and many people in America have an instinctive understanding of why it's true.

That response is a bit snarky, yes, but this entire situation is a grave miscarriage of justice and it's worthy of some anger and disbelief.
 
I have never been so interested in a course case like this. It has really opened my eyes on how exactly law works in this world.

Now my mind needs to take all this information and absorb it.
 
Zee-Row said:
People in my neighborhood are setting off fireworks in celebration, i live in Florida. Makes me sick. I'd say something to them but they might shoot me for being confrontational.
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As long as you can get them to throw the first punch, you can shoot to kill them.
 
Foffy said:
It's sickening to believe in 2013 we still have bronze-age ideas that skin tone determines the character of a person, and their worth. We would be a better world when we get rid of the aesthetic stupidity and realize everyone has the same worth, no more, no less.

But enough of my fantasy ideals...
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Oh I always assume people may find me threatening, may think I plan to steal in stores, or may expect me to do horrible things. Though in truth, I'm a normal person, I'm not even a little bit violent (but don't force me to be, I know I'm quite strong. I don't have weapons but I will use my hands and feet to defend, or get rid of threat). When threatened I puff up like a cobra but hope I never ever have to fight my way out of anything because I'm sure I'd get hurt or get in trouble.

It's funny, being on the internet a lot, making friends on here, when I told some of those friends I was black, they didn't believe me. This doubt lasted for over a year, then I posted a video on youtube for something random and showed them. "Omg you really are black!" We're regular people, though yeah there can be too much coverage of rappers, thugs in news, and joke characters in movies that lock us down as evil. Can't really blame people for thinking how they think. It's like negative advertisement.
 
Seems I spoke prematurely on that whole "quaintly veiled glee" bit----good lord. At least the EmC vignette has precedence as a good-natured attempt to inject the smallest bit of levity in truly depressing threads/stories like this.
 
birdhammer said:
Exactly. They should have charged him with manslaughter rather than 2nd degree murder. What happened between the 911 call and when the police arrived is completely up in the air, but he WAS TOLD TO NOT FOLLOW TRAYVON, and indirectly caused everything else to happen.

The DA's wanted to please the public and charged him with murder when they had no real evidence of his motives and who did what first. I believe he did commit murder, but they had no case beyond what they felt was an obligation to charge him with murder because of how the public perceived the killing.

No matter what the verdict was, the state of Florida should understand that "Stand Your Ground" does more harm than good.
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No horse in this but the dispatchers words were twisted by the media.

He was also told by his dispatcher that it wasn’t necessary to follow
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Big difference.
 
You have to be a special kind of ass to post a .gif like that in this kind of thread. This is such disappointing news.
 
Uncle Rupee said:
Yeah, I wasn't following this case closely. I thought he was a security officer for the gated community. I thought he would likely get manslaughter at least.
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Gosh, I'm glad we had your incisive commentary on the verdict given your depth of knowledge! It's impressive how sure you were about the topic. I wonder what made you so confident that Trayvon was being uppity and needed killing?

Uncle Rupee said:
Meanwhile, in another part of Florida...

There's a reason people want to live in gated communities and have security officers patrolling their neighborhood.
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e_i said:
Zimmerman will never live a normal life again. Like Casey Anthony, he will walk in the darkness for the rest of his life, always looking behind him for that creature that will be wanting to eat him,

Florida is such a goddman joke.
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Nah, he'll be good. The public has a pretty short memory. He is going to have to lay low for a few years. Lose some weight, change up his look a little bit, but he'll be able to go to the mall normally soon enough. Five years from now? He'll be set.
 
I'll say this

I was on a jury that put a guy away for double homicide. The evidence was all there that he did it. It took us less than two hours after a week long trial.

It was still the hardest thing I've ever had to do. Guy got 95 years in prison for it and later it was found out he was involved in other stuff once they got his DNA. And it was still hard.

I can't imagine being a juror on this case.
 
jamesinclair said:
There was a black women recently that was prosecuted on charges of vehicular homicide recently.

She was crossing the street with her child after getting off a bus.

She and her child got hit by a driver and the kid was killed.

And SHE got prosecuted for vehicular homicide. Again, while WALKING and her child was killed by someone else, and she was hauled off to jail for crossing the road at her bus stop.

Oh, and the driver admitted to having had drinks. And was on pain medication. And fled.

Amurica.
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If you are talking about Raquel Nelson, her charges were dropped very recently. But yes they initially threw her in jail.
 
MThanded said:
O'mara said that if GZ was black he never would have been charge with a crime.
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That is infuriating. But hey why are we bringing race into this?!?!? Race had nothing to do with it! Ignore all the racist comments from pretty much everyone surrounding Zimmerman 'the most hated man in the country! ©
 
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