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[Kalnos]

Definitely going to feel less sympathetic whenever a hurricane/tornado hits Florida and levels some place in the future.

Yeah man, that'll teach Zimmerman.

 

[Kettch]

People seem to be taking it as a fact that Trayvon started the physical altercation. Was there any evidence of this beyond the killer's word?

What I get out of this trial is that apparently kids that are being followed at night need to try getting away, and if that doesn't work they need to let the person do whatever they want to them, because otherwise they can be legally shot.

 

[Riggs]

I wish for one damn month, just one month the roles in the US are reversed like that John Travolta movie.

Cause I swear some of the people in this thread....lawd, I can't even.

And like I said earlier, replace Travyon Martin with white girl/boy and this shit would have been open and shut case Johnson. No crack sprinkling needed.

OMG, I always think about that movie in situations like this. No one I've ever met have seen it.

 

[remist]

are you fucking kidding me? we know for a fact the kid was WALKING HOME MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS ON THE PHONE DRINKING ICED TEA WHEN A CREEPY PARANOID DUDE WITH A GUN STARTED FOLLOWING HIM

Yes and if Zimmerman disengaged and was walking back to his car when he was attacked and then was wrested down, straddled, and suffered multiple blows to the back of his head all while screaming desperately for help, then I think he was justified in killing his attacker. The prosecution didn't provide enough evidence to contradict that story in my eyes.

 

[Daingurse]

If he honestly thought his life was in danger he's a pussy / coward. Maybe instead of reaching for the gun he should have defended himself with his arms. He could have guarded his head against any blows by curling up.

This scene from Friday kinda encapsulates how I feel.

I'm sorry but I resonate with the bolded very heavily, I think Zimmerman was a lil bitch who shoulda took his lumps. I really don't believe his life was in any danger, and if he didn't shoot Trayvon both individuals would still be alive this day. The only punk at the end of the day is George Zimmerman.

 

[Sent]

People seem to be taking it as a fact that Trayvon started the physical altercation. Was there any evidence of this beyond the killer's word?

No, there wasn't.

 

[Uncle Rupee]

I'm just telling that guy that even minor scuffles to the head can be life threatening. The head is seen as the bodypart to attack if you want to quickly disable a person.

The court says TM started the fight though.

Maybe if you want to volunteer as a community watch person you shouldn't initiate fights, but call in the actual police to handle the situation then?

 

[Booshka]

Buy some brand new Jordan's, throw em up on some telephone wire in remembrance of Trayvon to complete the GAF insanity cycle.

 

[Angelus Errare]

This tells you a lotabout america.

My favorite headline of all time

 

[googleplex]

Is that really what you took from this? smh

How can anyone not?

 

[jstripes]

I haven't been following the case, the US gets way too invested in court cases, but here's what I make of it:

Paranoid, gun-toting asshole follows and shoots asshole with B&E tools on him.​

If it was a white guy shooting a white guy, no one would care. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy, no one would care. But this case dominates the US' 24h news cycle.

(Zimmerman is guilty as fuck, absolutely, but this case got waaaaay too much national coverage.)

 

[ultrazilla]

Definitely going to feel less sympathetic whenever a hurricane/tornado hits Florida and levels some place in the future.

Get the fuck out of here with shit like this.

 

[Derwind]

Maybe I'm reading his post wrong, but I think he's just pointing out the unfortunate nature of our country's/media's short attention span as opposing to necessarily endorsing forgetting about this.

Don't see how that would be ban worthy.

If you can't see how insensitive that is, I can't help you.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Yes Travon life was snuffed out. And a murder is walking free. But its nice to know that the fact that Travon's parents lost thier son will bring you enjoyment.

Some people just can't realize a human life was snuffed out needlessly.

 

[Pumpkin King]

I'm sorry, but Zimmerman is a murderer. Our BS justice system failed agin. He will walk, and make bank on this. Yet Trayvon is dead. Justice served? Hardly.

I hope the remaining living get theirs.

And I'm out. Keep the peace everyone. Zimmerman should have.

 

[Dmented]

I wish for one damn month, just one month the roles in the US are reversed like that John Travolta movie.

Cause I swear some of the people in this thread....lawd, I can't even.

And like I said earlier, replace Travyon Martin with white girl/boy and this shit would have been open and shut case Johnson. No crack sprinkling needed.

LOL. I forgot about that shit, so good.

 

[Tamanon]

I haven't been following the case, the US gets way too invested in court cases, but here's what I make of it:

Paranoid, gun-toting asshole follows and shoots asshole with B&E tools on him.​

If it was a white guy shooting a white guy, no one would care. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy, no one would care. But this case dominates the US' 24h news cycle.

(Zimmerman is guilty as fuck, absolutely, but this case got waaaaay too much national coverage.)

Take away the B&E tools part of everything, that didn't happen. And I wouldn't characterize Trayvon as an asshole.

 

[Sent]

I haven't been following the case, the US gets way too invested in court cases, but here's what I make of it:

Paranoid, gun-toting asshole follows and shoots asshole with B&E tools on him.​

If it was a white guy shooting a white guy, no one would care. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy, no one would care. But this case dominates the US' 24h news cycle.

(Zimmerman is guilty as fuck, absolutely, but this case got waaaaay too much national coverage.)

What B&E tools? What the hell are you on?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I don't understand people saying this is something new? Any physical altercation has a chance of becoming deadly. If you are winning a fight, by law the person you are beating the shit out of can legally kill you. You can be killed without a gun or a weapon in a physical fight. Fighting is generally not a good idea.

Great. So if someone pushes me and I defend myself they are legally justified in shooting me?!

Oh wait, I'm Black of course it's perfectly justifiable! Good thing I know my place...thanks Florida.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Ok, but what does OJ have to do with an unarmed dude getting shot in cold blood? It happened 20 years ago, half the people bitching about OJ weren't alive when that shit happened. They're just parroting talking points they've heard from their dads. It's just annoying.

Who gives a shit. Is this "Revenge for OJ day"? Last I checked he's in jail right now. It's ok to move on from OJ.

Dude, I was agreeing with you to say that that clown that introduced OJ

1) blanketed all Black people as supporters of OJ. We weren't.

2) OJ needed unrealistic resources in terms of legal support to pull off that bullshit verdict. No normal person would have been able to put together that team that OJ did.

GZ only needed Don West and Mark O'Mara.

I'M ON YOUR SIDE.

 

[royalan]

Seriously, WHAT has been up with Juniors lately?

 

[Bodacious]

I honestly find it impossible to believe that anybody coming into this thread to agree with the verdict doesn't believe the killing was justified.

Agreeing with the verdict simply means one holds the opinion that the state's case didn't close off all reasonable doubt. That was the prosecution's burden of proof, and the 6 jurors who issued the verdict evidently didn't feel that had been accomplished. I might personally believe that GZ's actions were culpable, but I still prefer living with a system that requires the state to prove guilt before it can secure a conviction and incarcerate someone.

 

[Casimir]

The point is that some people in America are valued more than others. Such a value disparity is blatant in our criminal justice system. That is a problem. If you can't or won't concede that simple flaw then you're also a part of that problem. Stop being in denial. Stop being obtuse about it.

LOL. Does it really confound you that someone exists beyond your Manichean view of this issue?

I was commenting on the fact that your example was blatantly misleading, and now I'm suddenly in denial over the fact that equality is relative. Okay.

Let's take the last names of Augusto Pinochet or Michelle Bachelet who were both heads of state in Chile. French names but Chilean Presidents.hmmmm

Let's take from Argentina: Lionel Messi or Pope Francis (Jorge Mario Bergoglio). Hey, their names are Italian! but from Argentina?
how did that happen?

oh shit!!! It's just like how Italians immigrated to the US also, aaa they immigrated to other countries too LOL

What?

I was sarcastically pointing out that Measley was making an error in assuming that Zimmerman wasn't Hispanic because he had a German name.

I think some intent is being lost in translation.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

I haven't been following the case, the US gets way too invested in court cases, but here's what I make of it:

Paranoid, gun-toting asshole follows and shoots asshole with B&E tools on him.​

If it was a white guy shooting a white guy, no one would care. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy, no one would care. But this case dominates the US' 24h news cycle.

(Zimmerman is guilty as fuck, absolutely, but this case got waaaaay too much national coverage.)

He didn't have any breaking and entering tools. How is he an asshole. Cause he's a black kid in a nice neighborhood?

 

[MThanded]

I haven't been following the case, the US gets way too invested in court cases, but here's what I make of it:

Paranoid, gun-toting asshole follows and shoots asshole with B&E tools on him.​

If it was a white guy shooting a white guy, no one would care. If it was a black guy shooting a black guy, no one would care. But this case dominates the US' 24h news cycle.

(Zimmerman is guilty as fuck, absolutely, but this case got waaaaay too much national coverage.)

Go on.

 

[Krappadizzle]

If he honestly thought his life was in danger he's a pussy / coward. Maybe instead of reaching for the gun he should have defended himself with his arms. He could have guarded his head against any blows by curling up.

Your either the best fighter ever, or the strongest keyboardist.

 

[nib95]

Has Obama or any other politician said anything on this yet?

 

[Blackace]

This will blow over in a week.

Let some new Jordans come out.

=

This type of shit will not be tolerated

 

[Sanic]

Great. So if someone pushes me and I defend myself they are legally justified in shooting me?!

Oh wait, I'm Black of course it's perfectly justifiable! Good thing I know my place...thanks Florida.

Saying things like that really doesn't help anybody. But I guess by saying this i'm just playing a game of cognitive dissonance right?!

A blow to the head is not reason to brandish a gun. They're called fights, not death matches.

Zimmerman acted unreasonably, regardless of how he actually felt.

Well, I guess that's not what the law says.

Going back to several posts i've made previously, in essence I don't think it's fair to say what's rational and what isn't when you get into an altercation like that.

 

[MIMIC]

I think the conversation has moved past this a bit, but that is absolutely not what is going through somebodies mind when they're in a fight.

"Oh, this blow should only cause a minor concussion, I better lay off so as to give an equal beating".

Doesn't work like that.

A blow to the head is not reason to brandish a gun. They're called fights, not death matches.

Zimmerman acted unreasonably, regardless of how he actually felt.

 

[Riggs]

Definitely going to feel less sympathetic whenever a hurricane/tornado hits Florida and levels some place in the future.

As a Floridian this is so funny I can't even get mad. I will evacuate anyway!!

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

My favorite headline of all time

is that legit? you don't find some bread from a store. you find some bread at a store. you do, however, loot from a store. word swap?

 

[lazorexplosion]

What would've happened between Zimmerman and Trayvon if he hadn't followed him?

The answer is "nothing". We don't know what happened between them, just that there was a some kind of a fight. We don't know who threw the first punch, but we know zimmerman was following someone based on their appearance alone.

He followed Martin for no good reason and that led to his death. I get that there wasn't enough evidence to prove that beyond a doubt; setting that entire series of events into motion while carrying a deadly weapon should be punishable.

It should not be okay to kill an innocent child who was doing nothing wrong.That's what I'm saying; do you disagree with that? If not, then there's nothing to discuss about what I said. If you want to talk semantics and technicalities that allow killing an unarmed teen walking home from buying snacks, I'm sure someone out there is willing.

That answer, "nothing" is both true and irrelevant. Zimmerman should not have followed Martin. Zimmerman was unjustified in following Martin. Zimmerman should have stayed in the fucking car. But following Martin, even unjustifiably, does not settle whether self defense was justified. You say he was an innocent child who was doing nothing wrong like this was a settled fact. If it was not unreasonable to believe that he initiated the violence and not unreasonable to believe he was banging a guys head into the concrete in a manner that made that person fear for his life, then calling him an innocent child is wrong and irrelevant. Accurately characterizing the key issues of the trial is hardly semantics.

 

[Wanda/Wander]

Has Obama or any other politician said anything on this yet?

Still waiting on Ja Rule to comment.

 

[speedline]

Has Obama or any other politician said anything on this yet?

Yeah, he said he said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.

 

[Liquidus]

America Fuck Yeah! Freedom is the only way

Kid gets killed, killer walks free. Freedom really costs a buck o five.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

This type of shit will not be tolerated

Love you, 'Ace.

 

[pigeon]

Agreeing with the verdict simply means one holds the opinion that the state's case didn't close off all reasonable doubt.

In other words, it means you think it's reasonable to suggest that George Zimmerman shouldn't be held responsible for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin.

That's what reasonable doubt means!

 

[gutter_trash]

LOL. Does it really confound you that someone exists beyond your Manichean view of this issue?

I was commenting on the fact that your example was blatantly misleading, and now I'm suddenly in denial over the fact that equality is relative. Okay.





What?

I was sarcastically pointing out that Measley was making an error in assuming that Zimmerman wasn't Hispanic because he had a German name.

I think some intent is being lost in translation.

I know, I was back you up. Not countering you

 

[googleplex]

They didn't have weapons either nor did they deserve to die.

You almost act like they deserved to die more.

And you act like the outrage at this miscarriage of justice is equal to the next. That 'African Americans' should remember O.J. a somehow equate the two.

I repeat. Fuck you.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Dude, I was agreeing with you to say that that clown that introduced OJ

1) blanketed all Black people as supporters of OJ. We weren't.

2) OJ needed unrealistic resources in terms of legal support to pull off that bullshit verdict. No normal person would have been able to put together that team that OJ did.

GZ only needed Don West and Mark O'Mara.

I'M ON YOUR SIDE.

Haha, gotcha. Apologies for the confusion then.

I wasn't a supporter of OJ.

 

[childplease]

Yes Travon life was snuffed out. And a murder is walking free. But its nice to know that the fact that Travon's parents lost thier son will bring you enjoyment.

Sweet.

 

[matthieuC]

Definitely going to feel less sympathetic whenever a hurricane/tornado hits Florida and levels some place in the future.

What the hell kind of post is this?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Has Obama or any other politician said anything on this yet?

I thought it was stupid for Obama to "choose sides" to begin with beforehand.

That didn't help anything.

He didn't have to word it that way.

 

[Jaleel]

A key point in the trial was that you do not have to wait for severe injuries to actually occur before being justified in the use of self defense. The defense held that Zimmerman's head was being slammed into the concrete and that caused Zimmerman feared for his life if that attack continued even if it had not yet caused severe injuries.

My statement is in sync with this statement, in fact it was Vincent DiMaio who I stated that argued your point.

Internet speculation on the nature of the injuries based on pictures is uniformed and irrelevant compared to what jurors actually heard.

I agree, but I still think the pictures played a huge roll in the determination of this case. The jurors during the course of the trial have heard many contradictions and conflicting statements (sometimes from the same person no less). Those pictures are a constant, a reference point to how bad they think someone got beat up regardless of what is said.

 

[Jea Song]

Anyone suggesting that there will be riots are assholes.

Did anyone suggest or warn of riots back in the 90's in case OJ was found not guilty?

Nope.

 

[ReBurn]

A young man is dead, and that is a tragedy.

 

[Toxi]

White hispanic here. Born in Argentina. I have brown hair, green eyes, and a pasty white ass.

Hispanic=Anyone from a Spanish-speaking country. It's not a race.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Agree with this?

Jordan Golson @jlgolson

If you are angry at Zimmerman being found not guilty but want Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning to be free, you have issues to work out.

 

[Cloudy]

Has Obama or any other politician said anything on this yet?

Politicians shouldn't be speaking on individual local cases. I was annoyed that the black community and media pressured Obama into speaking on this case in the first place. That just made his political opponents run to Zimmerman's defense...