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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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I don't know who or what you are talking to/about anymore.
All I see is you saying "Fuck you" to everyone.
Not enough, but it's not the defense's job to prove innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt. The prosecution must prove, definitively, that Zimmerman is guilty. And there just wasn't enough to do that.
Aquamarine
Member
Zimmerman may have won, but no one should be smiling or rejoicing over this case.
Instead, we should all be mourning the loss of Trayvon Martin.
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
It wasn't an officially sanctioned match. That said, in other countries (and likely States), you can only use as much force as is reasonably necessary to defend yourself. There's absolutely no way this case would've occured in Canada.
Jest Chillin
Member
Well you certainly took some liberties now didn't you? I was responding to a very specific question with a very general answer. Nowhere did I espouse that those thoughts were "right," just that there are many out there that believe it. If you haven't heard the saying then cool I guess? It doesn't mean that it isn't common.
"Sticks and Stones" is a great saying and definitely great words to live by. But we don't live in fairytale land. Fights and even Wars have been started by words alone. I'm sure MANY parents teach their children that hitting/fighting is not the answer. Just as they tell their children that drugs are bad, theft is wrong, mind their manners, and many other moral lessons that people should live by. But life doesn't work like that and people disobey those teachings all the time. The point that I'm making here is that moral ideas are great but people regularly don't follow them. Throwing a punch first does not, in any way, justify being killed. Since you bring up "Sticks and Stones" what about "Turn the other cheek?"
But that's working under the assumption that Trayvon threw the first punch to begin with (which has NEVER been verified to be true AT ALL). Zimmerman says he did but Trayvon's friend said she heard scuffling before the phone went dead. Remember that in altercations each side as a story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. If Trayvon is still on the phone it's not likely he starts a fight by swinging. This makes me believe that Zimmerman likely grabbed Trayvon first, in an attempt to detain him for the police and it escalated from there. I don't think Zimmerman intended to kill from the outset and I don't think Trayvon threw the first punch against a larger, older man.
As for what you would do in the situation.. your assumption as to your own choice is just as biased as those you call "internet tough guys." In the heat of a fight, with adrenaline pumping it's unlikely you'd realize your nose was broken. And those cuts are evidence enough that his head wasn't slammed into the concrete multiple times. It was likely a single punch and then a lot of wrestling for position. Did Zimmerman fear for his life? Only he knows. But just because the law in that state says that, that allows him to use lethal force in self defense doesn't mean that it's morally acceptable to do so. It's a very gray area because one shouldn't resign to letting themselves be killed but at the same time, merely the panicked thought in the heat of the moment that one might possibly die seems a bit arbitrary as well.
Now the White house wants to distance themselves from it, reportedly.
Kitschkraft
Member
People marching in San Fran forTrayvon, no idea how big the crowd is or anything else just saw the vine on twitter : https://vine.co/v/hZ6nIJwvKLq
Aeriscloud
Banned
What the actual fuck?
Uncle Rupee
Banned
I've been in a few fights in my life and I never felt I was going to die. He wasn't being attacked by a group of people. It was a one-on-one fight and as we saw from the photos he had a few minor scuffs / scratches. Now, if he looked like he was beaten to a pulp I'd feel differently about the situation, but he looked pretty ok. What's more likely is he didn't want to hand in his "man card" after playing cop and having his ass handed to him.
lazorexplosion
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Stand your ground law was irrelevant, and not argued in the courtroom. Zimmerman's defense stood on plain old ordinary self defense applicable everywhere.
computers putin'
Member
No, but not following the case means you're opinons are uninformed and are terrible because of it, so you should be ignored; but feel free to wallow in your naivety in here like you have been if you want.
Tragicomedy
Member
Mind me asking WTF is wrong with you? Why would you find enjoyment out of this? A kid is dead.
Grow up?
That's not what shoes on the wire mean lol
childplease would beg to differ.
In light of this verdict, and the overall situation, this scene from Friday is incredibly insightful and powerful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-fskZimu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-fskZimu4
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Very disappointed in the verdict.
I am though incredibly amazed by how trayvon's parents have handled this. They are amazing people. I only wish they had more time with their son.
Our attention should turn to making sure things like this never happen again. We need to fight to make sure laws change and more kids are protected.
I am though incredibly amazed by how trayvon's parents have handled this. They are amazing people. I only wish they had more time with their son.
Our attention should turn to making sure things like this never happen again. We need to fight to make sure laws change and more kids are protected.
The Faceless Master
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i saw a video on Youtube where someone opened a lock with a bottle of soda...
What's worse is that because of the vagueness of the facts, his character is being distorted to fit whatever narrative people want.
This is how it should be globally. It actually teaches people the virtues of restraint and moral implications towards human life.
Go on.
I read a brief outline of the case the other day that said he was found to have B&E tools on him. If he didn't, then I take what I said back.
In any case, I still assert that Zimmerman should be in jail for the rest of his life.
They provided plenty of evidence to contradict that story.
What they didn't do was hammer it in enough to erase reasonable doubt. But still, the facts are there to demonstrate that Zimmerman did everything wrong that night, so I have no idea why people are so willing to go to such depraved depths to defend this man even still.
HIS actions, and only his actions, resulted in the death of a child that night.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
Disappointing.
not unexpected however.
not unexpected however.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
There was no burgle tools no breaking and entering tools no "slim jim" nothing found on Trayvon no fingerprints nothing. This goes to everyone who keeps spouting this baseless, evidence less claim:
Stop posting, you don't know what you're talking about.
Gentleman Jack
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What's there to agree with? The shitty comparison?
Then this trial says you can't even fight back against someone following you after you tried to get away. All they have to do is kill you and say you started the fight.
This makes zero sense and whoever tried to make the connection is a bit of a twat
No? Those are two completely separate things. One man is a murderer, the other two are whistleblowers who helped uncover injustices.
Okay then what makes Trayvon an asshole?
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The wording lacked tact, but the harsh insight? Not at all. What's done is done though.
Mammoth Jones
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When it comes to shooting an unarmed kid in the chest because a series of events was triggered due to the assumption that "Black person walking" = "Black burglars" I absolutely believe that's either right or wrong. It's not overly complicated and it's not nuanced.
No, you were dodging my original comment. But that's fine. Just ignore it instead of nitpicking.
BlackBanditSho
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But there's no evidence that the narrative you just described actually happened. Most of the evidence leads to the Trayvon story being true.
Ignore him he's just very angry about this at the moment
Let him simmer down
LyleLanley
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Uh, what do those have to do with each other?
Damn this video is so on point.
Source?
No, reasonable doubt means the prosecution didn't convince the jury that their version of what happened was almost certainly true. It means telling a jury to decide a case based on what their 'hearts' told them was right, rather than on what the evidence proved, wasn't enough.
As I said, if he didn't have those tools on him, I take back what I said.
And to begin with, I said Zimmerman was guilty.
What difference should it even make if he was? That's probably what infuriated me the most about the way his character was attacked. He smoked weed and got suspended, so fucking what?
jamesinclair
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If someone (a black male perhaps) were to kill Zimmerman, would he be able to successfully claim self-defense, because Zimmerman is a known murderer of black males and one could reasonably conclude that hes a threat?
If by B&E tools you're referring to Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea.
Maninthemirror
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I think the logic was the law should be followed as well as applied to the verdict.
people obvious disagree that according to the LAW of the land, Zimmerman did wrong and should have been convicted, then also according to the LAW of the land, those who leak documents (rightfully or wrongfully) should be prosecuted according to the law of the land.
correct?
I just want to know what site you read this on so I can see it for myself.
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