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[cdyhybrid]

If the kid was innocent why was there no evidence to support it?

Do you have proof that the kid was guilty?

See what I did there?

 

[J-Rock]

Again... this is fucked up considering recent news: Florida mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots

 

[Enzom21]

I don't know why you guys are pointing out what he's saying?!

He's simply saying that there isn't evidence to show that GZ was looking to murder someone outright and that he was found innocent by a group of his peers, not his friends or family. Some of you need to check your emotions and just examine the evidence.

No, he said the fact that Trayvon was killed is less sickening than people expecting Zimmerman to be punished for his actions.

 

[not psycho]

I understand the outrage over the childs death, I really do. I just don't understand the idea of wanting to convict a man without proof.

Self defense is an affirmative defense, but the bar is extremely low in Florida.

It should not be that easy to kill a kid as he walks home. You should probably have to get on the stand and defend your action. See if you can tell your story with a straight face. Or, if not that, then provide more evidence to support it. Was the person you killed armed? Did they severely injure you? Were they in progress of committing a separate crime?

Failing all of that... if you are unwilling to defend your story on the stand. If you have no evidence of severe injury, the person you killed was unarmed, they were just walking home, you were the one stalking them, and they in fact had good reason to fear you, and (if they knew you were armed) good reason to try to disarm you, then I don't think you should be considered to have met the bar for establishing self defense.

In Florida the bar is really that low to kill someone when nobody is there to see it though. At least it was this time. But I find it very hard to believe it would be that low for everybody and every victim.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No. That is not how reality and society works. A lot of people including you (and especially Satch) seem to be falsely equating innocence with being found not guilty

Is Zimmerman innocent?

Probably not.

So the law is wrong? Gotcha. Like I said, I'm used to that.

I'm done for the night. I'm going to go to bed, snuggle with my wife and take comfort in the fact that the criminal justice system in the United States values the life of a dog over the life of the Black children we are planning to have.

 

[Soler]

I wonder who's alt you are.

You're not helping with posts like these really, you guys are pretty much egging him on

 

[NinjaKixx]

If the Grass stains were on GZ's knees and on TM's back. I would be calling for murder 2.

 

[amnesiac]

Does anyone have proof that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first? No.

 

[MVP]

Meanwhile, everyone on Twitter trying to disown this guy...white people "He isn't even white, he's hispanic!", hispanic people saying the opposite...no one wants this guy. As far as I know he's white, and self-identifies as such.

Media as usual convincing people he is "hispanic" to push the heat on another minority, but if he had discovered the cure for cancer, what Peruvian mother?

 

[lazorexplosion]

I think much of the anger is specifically at the criminal justice system, and it's dated, inconsistent and woeful moral inadequacy towards providing actual justice.

For example, a good number of posters condemned stand your ground laws despite them being utterly irrelevant to the trial. Not just not knowing the details of the evidence presented, not even knowing what the relevant law was. But does anyone want to let ignorance stop them from being outraged at the verdict, the jurors, the law or whole damn criminal justice system? Is this the basis on which you're calling the justice system 'dated, inconsistent and woeful moral[ly] inadequa[te]'?

 

[Biker19]

Amuricah. "Land of the free" my ass.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Read some Orwell kid.

My mom was taken from me by a drunk driver when I was a child. I've had loved ones die so dont come at me w/ the emotional aspect of it all.

My my, arent you a cool fellow. Calling people kid to try to disregard their opinion.

 

[remist]

Looks like you are correct.

Do you really believe that Trayvon's actions that night aren't relevant.

My my, arent you a cool fellow. Calling people kid to try to disregard their opinion.

To be fair he's had his own share of ad-hominem slung his way,

 

[Krappadizzle]

I can agree with that sentiment but some of his posts are rather well I don't really have a word for it but they're not nicely put
He's coming across as a dick when he doesn't have to

Exactly. He's not exactly wrong even if it's dickish. But people are essentially calling him a child-murder facilitator.

 

[Dereck]

I knew Ja Rule could make sense of all this.

 

[charsace]

Well the only reason why people care about this trail is because the media decided that it would be a good story for the news; they potrayed the black person as the innocent angel and the white person as the absolute devil. Then they showed black kids the family weeping and their pain. They turned this into a racist melodrama. Whatever will get them the views basically.

Are you for real? GZ turned this into a race issue. He saw a black kid in the neighborhood (keep in mind that the kid is a part of the community) and decided that he was out of place and then arrived at the conclusion that the kid was there looking to start trouble. GZ must be able to read minds or something because he knew the kid was bad news (what a crock of shit). He follows the kid in his car, kid runs so GZ decides to run him down on foot.

Then the story of what happened turns into GZ word verus...

..no ones because he killed TM.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

I personally see it as more of a gun than race issue.

Guns are dumb.

Too many people are allowed to carry them that have no business doing so.

I think you mean some people are dumb.

 

[Aquamarine]

This is a good thing. A way to show disagreement and not be animalistic. Right on for them.

Though, what exactly are they protesting? The fact that he wasn't convicted of anything or that he wasn't convicted of murder?

Probably the fact that he wasn't convicted of manslaughter.

And I agree. Peaceful protests are absolutely wonderful and everyone who disagrees with Zimmerman being let off should hope for a strong civil suit.

Zimmerman can still be punished.

 

[SlipperySlope]

You heard it here first, folks: it's only illegal to kill white people.

Unless their names end in Simpson or Goldman..

 

[NinjaKixx]

My my, arent you a cool fellow. Calling people kid to try to disregard their opinion.

Oh please, read what he called me.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Looking at those threatening phone pics, I'm afraid of escalation, Zimmerman might have to constantly look over his shoulder and the Martin family can never find peace.

Christ, all the kid wanted was some snacks. It all lead up to this because of Zimmerman being an overzealous dumbass.

It's just all angers up the blood the more I think about it.

 

[Liferebooted]

Everyone is ignoring the fact that Martin had pics of underage girls nude on his phone, he's a pedo.

 

[faceless007]

I take race completely out of this.

Of course, that's what everybody says they do.

 

[mernst23]

Called it 7 months ago

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=45063422

 

[Daingurse]

Yeah, just how we look back at Emmet Till and smile, right?

Gotta say, "look back and smile" was a horrible choice of words. Also, racism ain't going anywhere until the entire human race is a nice shade of mocha. Then we'll find some other petty shit to discriminate and kill each other over.

 

[Krappadizzle]

No, he said the fact that Trayvon was killed is less sickening than people expecting Zimmerman to be punished for his actions.

He said for being convicted of murder. Not punished. I agree with him. Trayvon Martin's death was a tragedy, but it's no more okay for TM to have killed GZ by possibly beating him to death than it is for GZ to shoot him.

 

[genjiZERO]

This may be hyperbole, but I feel like this whole thing seems to have sent race relations into the toilet and flushed them back 50 years. Not to mention giving more ammo to anti gun groups. Hope the family wins their civil suit.

Honestly, I think there's near complete solidarity with Trayvon Martin and his family regardless of race. I don't honestly believe anyone with common sense genuinely believes Zimmerman didn't murder that kid. It highlights how black people are treated as second class citizens, but I think the people, as a whole, genuinely condemn this this.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Well the only reason why people care about this trail is because the media decided that it would be a good story for the news; they potrayed the black person as the innocent angel and the white person as the absolute devil. Then they showed black kids the family weeping and their pain. They turned this into a racist melodrama. Whatever will get them the views basically.

Wow great job framing your subjective opinion as fact

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Of course, that's what everybody says they do.

In my case I do. It don't mean a damn thing when presenting relevant hard facts regardless of color.

He said for being convicted of murder. Not punished. I agree with him. Trayvon Martin's death was a tragedy, but it's no more okay for TM to have killed GZ by possibly beating him to death than it is for GZ to shoot him.

Good point.

 

[Mr. Patch]

The guy in the video says that granville is blocked off. That is a street in Vancouver, not Miami. So have there actually been any riots, or are people just trying to make it look like there are?

Just trying to make it look like there are.

 

[Raguel]

God damn it Just...fuck.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I think you mean some people are dumb.

Yes, people that exploit the second amendment to be cool just because it's there and they can.

Some people "need" guns, most people that have them don't.

 

[TransTrender]

im not



Look, you fucking dummy, somebody's child was taken from them for the most unnecessary reason imaginable. This guy gets to walk. He gets to go back to... being alive, and being with his family, even if he's going to have to live it looking over his shoulder. At least he gets that. The jury judged in his favor. At least he gets his justice.

Trayvon doesn't get any justice. His family doesn't get any justice. Their son's killer said he fucking did it, and anybody that's been following the case since last year knows that he should have listened to the damn cops when they said for Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon. I've heard the recordings. If you have a functioning brain, you can manage to grab those facts for yourself too, and you can also manage to put two and two together.

You're so caught up in the law being the law that you can't open your eyes wide enough to see why anybody could possibly want to shove their foot into Zimmerman and co's urethras out of anger and frustration. This was all so unnecessary. Trayvon didn't have to fucking die.

My mind is severely boggled by your sheer incompetence. I'm astonished that you, with your minimal brain power, managed to even compile those words to form those sentences. Your IQ has to suffer strongly in some capacity for you to make the leap that anything about this is worse than the inarguable fact that SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD TRAYVON MARTIN IS DEAD.

You're stupid. So fucking stupid. Like, it makes me sad to know that your fingers allow you to espouse such tripe. I am devastated by this.

I don't get it.
Is your argument that because a person > 17 years old killed another person < 17 years old means they're guilty by default?

 

[FamousLastX]

Because the evidence suggested that TM was on top of GZ beating him and slamming his head into a sidewalk while GZ screamed for help.

So why was none of GZ's DNA found on Trayvon's hands? If he managed to sucker punch him, and break his nose, and slam his head "several times" into the pavement (ignoring the fact that Trayvon was found on GRASS), then surely some of that blood would have managed to get transfered to Trayvon. Oh right I forgot it must have washed right off in the rain. But George Zimmerman still managed to have plenty of blood on him though. If they truly found him not guilty because of self defense (which at least the media has seemed to state, but as far as i know has yet to be officially confirmed) then you're going to tell me that all of the above, doesn't basically disprove his entire defense. Sure his defense may have managed to raise some doubt, but was any of it really reasonable? Not nearly.

 

[Dmented]

Again... this is fucked up considering recent news: Florida mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots

That isn't recent news. I don't know why it's being passed off like it is. It's over a year old.

 

[Spinluck]

Everyone is ignoring the fact that Martin had pics of underage girls nude on his phone, he's a pedo.

Not unusual for guys around his age to start messing around with girls his age.

They were around his age, right?

 

[King Mystery]

Everyone is ignoring the fact that Martin had pics of underage girls nude on his phone, he's a pedo.

Welp. I'm going to bed.

 

[Kak.efes]

This may be hyperbole, but I feel like this whole thing seems to have sent race relations into the toilet and flushed them back 50 years. Not to mention giving more ammo to anti gun groups. Hope the family wins their civil suit.

Isn't Zimmerman twenty eight? You think he has a fortune to lose?

 

[crozier]

This may be hyperbole, but I feel like this whole thing seems to have sent race relations into the toilet and flushed them back 50 years. Not to mention giving more ammo to anti gun groups. Hope the family wins their civil suit.

Eh, I dunno.

Zimmerman is a hodgepodge...no clear racial identity, neither white or Hispanic. Hard to really "blame" any particular race for this mess. Now the black community's faith in our justice system is another matter entirely...

 

[Sent]

He said for being convicted of murder. Not punished. I agree with him. Trayvon Martin's death was a tragedy, but it's no more okay for TM to have killed GZ by possibly beating him to death than it is for GZ to shoot him.

So we're gonna assume that if GZ didn't have a gun that TM would've killed him? What?

 

[casabolg]

I take race completely out of this. Regardless of what people think, the facts are what they are.

It sucks to hell and back that a young man was killed but the jury found Zimmerman not guilty.

I've been trying to stay neutral in this and see where the racial claims come from, especially since those doctored NBC tapes, and I have had a hard time seeing it honestly. I haven't followed the case these past few weeks much but it honestly seems like a very close call that comes down to their lawyers' ability and... well, we know how that turned out.

 

[amnesiac]

So if Trayvon was ten years older when this incident occurred, what would people think?

 

[NinjaKixx]

I think they need to put a law on the books about pursuing an individual while carrying a loaded firearm. I agree that GZ had no business following him, especially while carrying, but it's not illegal.

 

[botty]

I don't get it.
Is your argument that because a person > 17 years old killed another person < 17 years old means they're guilty by default?

She is banned. Don't think you're gonna get a reply.

 

[gAg CruSh3r]

A minor point but police dispatchers can't give you "orders". Them saying not to follow falls under good advice but nothing binding.

True but look what he did, he killed 17 year old young man because he thought he was some punk ass kid trying to cause trouble. So he got out of a car a followed him. If I was in TM shoes I would be scared because someone is following me; you can't trust anyone anymore. People's instincts kicks in when they are scared its called the "flight or fight" and TM was only scared; he was getting followed by some creepy person. GZ should have Man slaughter then anything else because I don't think he had the attentions to kill TM but he had his gun on hand to "protect himself".

 

[Wanda/Wander]

I don't know why you guys are pointing out what he's saying?!

He's simply saying that there isn't evidence to show that GZ was looking to murder someone outright and that he was found innocent by a group of his peers, not his friends or family. Some of you need to check your emotions and just examine the evidence.

I'm not emotional. I'm actually pretty numb to all of this, but thanks for assuming the worst.

What the evidence shows is that he killed the only other witness. Zimmerman also lied about what happened that night...multiple times.

I have examined the evidence. I've followed this case from the very begining.

Please tell me why this isn't manslaughter.

 

[MrToughPants]

Do you have proof that the kid was guilty?

See what I did there?

Didn't they conclude, forensics, that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot?

Zimmerman could have pulled the kid down in a fight for the skittles slamming his own head in the pavement making him disoriented Trayvon probably fell on his face and gave him a scuff mark and then Zimmerman pulled and shot in a panic.

 

[Paznos]

What an awful fucking day.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I knew Ja Rule could make sense of all this.

He's the best one to transcribe our emotions for us.

 

[royalan]

He said for being convicted of murder. Not punished. I agree with him. Trayvon Martin's death was a tragedy, but it's no more okay for TM to have killed GZ by possibly beating him to death than it is for GZ to shoot him.

Seriously, WHAT evidence is there that TM was going to beat GZ to death?

On what level does that make one iota of sense?

"Oh hey, I'm on my way home from the convenience store to grab some skittles and iced tea for me and my little brother, and I'm currently on the phone having a conversation with a friend, but let me stop and BEAT THIS RANDOM STRANGER TO DEATH."