Wasn't Gandhi racist as fuck?
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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty
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Wasn't Gandhi racist as fuck?
Oh whoops I interpreted it as standing trial.
I'd prefer not to answer so I'm pleading the fifth.
That's exactly what you said.
Lysander518
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I'm not "post-racial." Races exist. I'm an individualist. Having pride in something that other people with the same skin color did is ridiculous.
smokeandmirrors
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Extremely.
Jmanunknown
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Ja Rule's tweet is sad he knows black people especially young black males have a really hard time trying to make it when the the system really is trying to keep them down. He is a part of the problem though and not a part of the solution.
It feels like every time the media makes a circus out of a case the guilty party usually gets away with murder whether it be oj, casey anthony or now george zimmerman. Sad though a lot of lives were ruined that day when george zimmerman decided to go all vigilante and kill someone. Trayvon's family and George Zimmerman's family will never be the same and the outcome of this case will probably lead to alot more mistrust of the system from the black community than there already is considering George Zimmerman essentially stalked a kid and ended up shooting and killing him and got away scott free.
If it was so obvious then where was the evidence?
Has anyone seen the picture posted on gawker?... that was not the body of a "thug" or "gangster" that was a body of a 17 year old boy who was shot dead by a man trying to put the law into his own fucking hands. And he walks free.. seeing these people cheer over the verdict holding guns up, makes me fucking sick, mad and sad for america... 2nd amendment is a god damn joke and should be abolished along with this fucking justice system... i am soo upset.
Comfort, I'd imagine. For some, it's easier to believe we truly live in a post-racial society. Denial allows them to continue living with that comfort.
Jest Chillin
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Not so much. It may have gained traction due to the race angle BUT the original reason for unrest was that it was a 17 year old kid who was killed while doing nothing wrong and Zimmerman wasn't investigated. The police took his word about his priors. He lied. The Primary Investigator CORRECTED witness statements. And even when pressed about the issue, the Department initially refused to open an investigation.
The police acted like it was open and shut when, I don't care WHICH side you're on, it was far from that.
You Are Viewtiful
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Then what is your point? I also believe that their is a deep rooted culture of institutionalized racism in the US courts that works against black people. It involves the use of poor evidence to convict people of crimes that they are probably not guilty of, and give much more harsh sentences for crimes they are guilty of. What I see happening in this thread is "eye for an eye" justice, people want to see Zimmerman prosecuted despite there being very poor evidence to suggest he was guilty. People are playing a game of guilty until proven innocent, which is an idea that works against so many black people today. Instead of perpetuating the cycle, shouldn't people be working to improve the law so that it isn't so inherently unfair against black people? It seems people want to see everyone get fucked over, as long as everyone is equally fucked over.
I didn't coopt your use of the word disgusting, that's coincidence. I use the word frequently myself.
Not having him armed is a law I can get behind. However, I don't agree with punishing people for reporting suspicious behaviour. That's counterproductive. We should be encouraging that.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Breaking Bad is everywhere. It is everything.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Your going to lose this debate and derail this thread.
Some jokester keeps abusing the gifs.
eBay Huckster
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The simple fact that you can't see any basis for finding solace in one's racial identity leads me to believe otherwise.
(Sorry if this is derailing things, guys.)
I'm not arguing whether he should've or not at all. That's someone else entirely. Him not testifying was probably his best defense seeing as how the prosecution did its best to fail and the police department never felt bad about dropping the ball indiscriminately and at each opportunity until people started getting fired.
I've always felt he was going to get off because of how the case was grossly mismanaged from the beginning.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The thing I'm wondering is that do these trials get so fucked up because of the media coverage or is the justice system this shitty in general and every once in a while we get to see it highlighted through coverage.
IrishNinja
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...are you legitimately asking why people would be bothered by this outcome? do you think things work like in Phoenix Wright, like a gavel comes down and NOT GUILTY confetti drops out & everyone shrugs it off until the next wacky case
where are they getting you juniors from exactly
chuck D & de la rocha wrote a song about burning mcdonalds flags once but ya'll prolly never even heard it
Lysander518
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Why should people take pride in something that is a coincidence of birth? I feel like you people that are all for black pride probably laugh at anyone with southern pride.
Angelus Errare
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Remember it's up to the minority party to do everything to avoid all the stereotypes that are thrown upon them!
How to kill racism of blacks in America
1. Stop listening to rap music, don't make it either
2. Get your master's degree
3. Stop playing sports
4. Stop eating fried chicken
5. Don't do drugs, don't sell them
6. Don't get angry when someone wrongs you
7. Learn proper english
8, Bleach your skin and straighten your hair
9. Stop using food stamps, welfare!
10. Go to church more!
11. Stop complaining if your not represented properly
12. Stop having pride in your race!
13. Stop driving rap cars
14. Dress better
15. Don't wear too much of one color
16. If your pulled over just lay on the ground with your hands behind your head.
It's so simple!
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
That's actually a relief that it is only one person.
Devolution
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I already told you the point of pride movements.
teacupcopter
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Look up "white privilege" and then come back here. I used to sound stupid like this post and so many others in this thread until I did some research on the matter, now I either stay out of it or I know better than to say dumb shit like this. The TL; DR version is though - It's easy for white people to say we are all just people, we aren't the ones with crippling socio-economic issues and the cards stacked against us.
polyh3dron
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It's about having pride in YOUR OWN skin color. That pride is a natural response against those who would attempt to make you feel inferior because of your skin color.
Chie Satonaka
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If there was a smoking gun in Casey Anthony's case and she still got off, then I could see your point.
All jokes aside, he makes a lot of sense with that.
I mean hey... there's a very strong possibility that many people of all races, backgrounds, histories, etc take more value in such a thing than you do.
Its possible. Right? Just sayin...
smokeandmirrors
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Racial pride =/= "cultural" pride.
Well Southern pride does tend to mesh with the glorification of slavery and what not. Kind of par for the course.
Angelus Errare
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You'd hate my Korean friends, dudes have so much asian and Korean pride.
Is George Zimmerman a murderer? I don't know. I'm not sure what happened that night. But I do know that there wasn't enough evidence to determine that George Zimmerman did not act in self-defense, and therefore the jury reached the correct verdict. Before you lock a man up, you have to be able to clearly demonstrate that he committed a crime, and the prosecution had a weak case.
If Zimmerman did murder Trayvon Martin, that is now between him and God. The court got it right.
If Zimmerman did murder Trayvon Martin, that is now between him and God. The court got it right.
Last Hearth
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There never was enough evidence to begin with. Without the media drumbeat he would never have been charged and there would never have been a trial. Remember the police initially ruled it self-defense and didn't charge him. It was only after the public uproar that the prosecution went ahead. The "outraged" public simply were wrong, just because they don't like what happened doesn't mean there ever was a solid case against Zimmerman.
It wasn't the jury's fault, they did their job. It wasn't the prosecution's lack of ability, they never had a case. This thing never should have gone to trial. The mistake was letting public opinion control who they prosecute and charge with crimes. But I have a feeling this was intentional on the part of the DA, they didn't want to be the ones to carry the blame not giving the public what they demanded, so they let the jurors carry the blame instead.
Fantastical
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Because people will put you down / you will be oppressed for that same coincidence. You're not literally proud of yourself because of the color of your skin or your sexual orientation. You show that you are proud in the face of adversity, and this encourages others to do the same and be hopeful.
teacupcopter
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I can't believe you actually said "you people"
shinobi602
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Everyone keeps repeating the fact he was 17 as if that makes it impossible for him to pose any danger to Zimmermann (if the scuffle happens like they said it did). Wasn't Trayvon like 6'5" or something?
IrishNinja
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also pull your pants up and walk slowly down the sidewalk so as to let me have time to lock my passenger side door
ps no offesne/im not racist; i love lionel richie
if you need someone to explain the context of the examples you've chosen, it's time to call it a day
yeah bro nobody on the other side of the argument was using logic, it was all emotional junk good call
Read this post.
People aren't arguing that you should be considered guilty until proven innocent in court. But in this case, there's no contention that George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.That's not where the hang-up is. But he's making the case that it was in self-defense, and a lot of people believe that the burden should be on him to prove self-defense, not on the state to prove that it WASN'T self-defense.
polyh3dron
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No let him. He really thinks he's right. Let him know that's been wrong all of his life lol.
This "let's all be color-blind, that'll fix everything" needs to be realized as one of the most juvenile and short-sighted perspectives on culture/race ever. Its easier to deal with outright racists that are actively full of hate than to work words with those who think they're actually helping by spreading that kind of logic that does a disservice to every single step forward from every single scenario of ethnic wrongdoing in the world. These kinds of people think that they're helping - which makes them the hardest to talk to.
And also an active practitioner of bushido.
For the people using the race card:
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Half y'all been partying to Black Death for the past 2 decades...the other half watched the party...don't be angry now!
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Rub your face in it! Swallow down that hard pill! Black blood spills in the streets of America nightly at the hands other blacks
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Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Yeah gimme that anger...once again that rage...that misguided angst when you true enemy is your own complacency and cowardice.
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
Nobody knows what really happened except trayvon and Zimmerman. The justice system relies on reasonable doubt not our emotions.
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
The case should have never been televised as the potential to antagonize US race relations was, in my dumb, opinion too risky & unnecessary
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Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
Your emotional reactions to a perceived injustice will get you nowhere. Organize (yeah right!) to fight total structural violence.
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W/ that...I'm out. Good night everyone.
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Half y'all been partying to Black Death for the past 2 decades...the other half watched the party...don't be angry now!
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Rub your face in it! Swallow down that hard pill! Black blood spills in the streets of America nightly at the hands other blacks
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Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 3h
Yeah gimme that anger...once again that rage...that misguided angst when you true enemy is your own complacency and cowardice.
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
Nobody knows what really happened except trayvon and Zimmerman. The justice system relies on reasonable doubt not our emotions.
Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
The case should have never been televised as the potential to antagonize US race relations was, in my dumb, opinion too risky & unnecessary
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Lupe Fiasco ********@LupeFiasco 2h
Your emotional reactions to a perceived injustice will get you nowhere. Organize (yeah right!) to fight total structural violence.
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W/ that...I'm out. Good night everyone.
Angelus Errare
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Too bad you think quote the last sentence
EmCeeGramr
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After that post, I hope you never fucking come back.
With deadly force? No.
Zimmerman was following Martin. Cause for concern? Sure. I would probably do the same thing, cut through an alley or something to lose whatever creep is following me.
Dude is still following me? Probably ring up the cops, hey this wierd dude is following me.
Dude tries to detain me? (unclear if this actually happened or not but let's go with it) I would just keep waking. There are certain situations where you actually can affect a citizens arrest and detain a person but this is really sketchy and not a good idea. I know a bit about this because my dad caught some dude trying to break into a construction site and held him there until the police arrived. You must witness an actual crime and are VERY limited to the amount of force you can use to detain a person. So Mr. Dirty Harry says "halt" and tries to hold me there? Not listening. Mr dirty pulls a gun and yells "halt"? difficult. I'm not going to do shit but wait for cops, although you would be justified to use deadly force to defend yourself against an unlawful citizens arrest. This is basically kidnapping, you are being held against your will with the threat of deadly force. The only problem is there is not much you can do. You could try to tackle the dude before he got off a shot (maybe what actually happened in this case?) but I wouldn't do shit with a gun on me.
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