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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty

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I'm going to bed. Today I learned that racism was dead and embracing your cultural identity is equally as bad as racism. Thanks Obama.
 
Baby Milo said:
that post liferebooted made makes zero sense

man wtf
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A 17 year old having photos of other 17 year old girls isn't a pedophile, thus the statement of him being a pedophile is nonsensical bullshit as an excuse. Kinda like the Dave Chappelle joke that every dead black guy the cops find has crack sprinkled on them.

ReiGun said:
I guess you guys are right. But man am I tired of getting fucked.
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Give it another 130 years, I think by that time they'll get tired of fucking us...I hope anyway. That or we get thrown back in time and they treat us even worse.
 
i havent followed the case at all... but it seems to me, my uninformed opinion, that it is a sad day when someone knowingly tracked down someone and killed them... and that person goes free

it sounds like the wildwest
 
At the very minimum if you want to claim self defense, you should have to take the stand.
 
I always felt he was innocent once I read further into the details, the way the media tried to make it into something about race was a disgrace.
 
YoungBlade said:
"I lived there, i totally know guise. im an expert"
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Have you been to Oakland? Or spent any meaningful amount of time there? It may not have been reported nation-wide, but in the 4 years I lived there, and the 26 my wife lived there we've seen riot after riot over major and very very VERY minor things. What's your experience with Oakland and riots?
 
Krappadizzle said:
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This is your response to his question? Why not say something positive rather than perpetuate a negative "whoa is me" fucking attitude? Be the change you want to see.
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Yea, institutionalized racism is just poor self image. If only slaves were cheerful and sang songs I'm sure the south wouldve started rethinking their economic policies too. Ffs
 
Lysander518 said:
You don't "be black." You be a human being. People shouldn't have pride because of a coincidence of birth. I don't have pride because I'm a descendant of Irish, Germans, and/or Native Americans. I don't see why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp. IMO pride in one's race is just another stupid division like traditional racism.
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yeah man as a fellow white male i really don't get why other genders/races/orientations band together (almost historically) to undermine my privilege but i agree it's all so very stupid and unnecessary

Devolution said:
Do people win or lose something by the incessant denial of racism permeating American society?
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devo i think i should forward you this very interesting email my grandmother sent me where bill cosby or morgran freeman or one of those less threatening older black fellows says racism would go away if we'd just stop talking about it maybe

food for thought!
 
MThanded said:
A person claiming self-defense must prove at trial that the self-defense was justified in most places. Not necessary in Florida. I lifted that from a law blog. Please do your research. Maybe I am misunderstanding something. This is on multiple sites .
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No. You don't have to prove your innocence in any state. The police do a forensic analysis and if they find reasonable signs that there might have been foul play then they will bring you to trial. At that point the prosecution has to prove your guilt. That's exactly what happened in this case. The difference in Florida is that there is no degree of what is considered acceptable self defense. Anything from a slap on the wrist to homicide is considered justifiable.
 
NinjaKixx said:
You said he has the burden of proof in the self defense claim. I told you the pieces of evidence that led me to believe he fulfilled that BOP. And yes I believe that the biggest name in forensic pathology has more credibility than a city ME.

6 people unanimously agreed that he acted in self defense. I dont know why your acting like what I'm saying is so far-fetched.
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No. I know what the law is (thank you Law-GAF for your contributions in the trial thread) so I have no misconceptions about who has the burden of proof. As the law currently stands, the BOP is one the Prosecution and I believe that is wrong. Had the Burden of Proof been on the Defendant in this case... what was argued would not have been enough to find Zimmerman Not Guilty. And I say that as someone who watched the vast majority of the trial and had many discussions and at some points, debates, with Law-GAF in regards to these very topics.

What I said was that the burden of proof can be placed on the Defendant in Self Defense cases without effecting "Innocent until Proven Guilty" in the cases that it concerns.

Innocent until Proven Guilty is there to try to prevent those that haven't committed any crimes from going to prison for those crimes.



Self Defense is a stance that says that the Defendant indeed committed a crime but the extenuating circumstances forgive the Defendant from that crime.

In a Self Defense case, the Defendant has already admitting to committing the initial crime. At that point, the trial is to determine whether or not that crime was justified given the circumstances. I.e. Zimmerman killed Trayvon. He admitted as such. And Killing is a crime. This trial wasn't about whether or not he killed Trayvon but about whether or not his killing of Trayvon was considered justified.

Edit: As for the Jury.. their hands were tied by the law. The law is not infallible.
 
I really have to state my opinion as well. Looking at this from a European perspective, it's a stunning failure of justice. Ambiguous laws on "self defense" coupled with the gun fetishism of Middle America and racial politics created a situation that looks to an outside observer more political than about human rights and protecting people from harm. Finally, it's a colossal failure of common sense. But I guess this thread already underlines all that with good arguments from Gaffers.
 
Devolution said:
Do people win or lose something by the insistent denial of racism permeating American society?
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I think to have some beliefs you have to distance yourself from reality. Commonly people who say racism is dead also have other beliefs not based in reality. I think it's a packaged deal.
 
Lysander518 said:
You don't "be black." You be a human being. People shouldn't have pride because of a coincidence of birth. I don't have pride because I'm a descendant of Irish, Germans, and/or Native Americans. I don't see why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp. IMO pride in one's race is just another stupid division like traditional racism.
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Someone help me out here: is there any way this post could better fit the white-privileged "we need to be post-racial" stereotype that Tumblr and the SRS subreddits seem to like making fun of?
 
I'm not sure that some people realize how offensive "be the change you want to see" is for starters lol...

Its such a basic response to a much larger issue. Its hard to take it as a reasonable remark at all in this context.
Yoritomo said:
That's actually how this whole thing started.

He took the stand, there was a trial, a jury found him not guilty.
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No, he didn't. I don't think you understand what 'take the stand' means.
 
Spend decades or even centuries being told that you're inferior and should be ashamed because you're part of an artificial category that someone else made up for you, without having the right to decide who and what you are.

As soon as you finally earn that right to decide what you are, as soon as it's no longer considered okay to openly oppress and insult you, then suddenly you're the real prejudiced one for caring about this stuff and it's wrong to even think about what happened to you without it being "bitter" or "whiny."

No matter which minority it is being told these things, it's always the same.
 
Dmented said:
He's quoting Dave Chappelle.
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I didn't catch the reference. I apologize. My bad.
Mr. Patch said:
Why do they have to change? He's not the problem.
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It's a Gandhi quote that resonates with racial perceptions. No one need change their race(I hope that goes without saying) but if you don't want to be perceived as some kind of problematic, irrational, menace to society, be the change you want to see. I feel it's pretty easy to grasp. Reacting negatively like that does not help move forward the change we all want to see.
 
Lysander518 said:
Sure, that doesn't make it good.
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It doesn't make it bad. These groups take pride in their race, gender, sexuality because another branch of folks are constantly attacking it. It's to counter-balance the bad shit. I mean you could not speak from a more privileged perspective right now.
 
Lysander518 said:
Sure, that doesn't make it good.
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Sure it does. It's hard to raise awareness about injustice when you're just one dude, or if you deny your own membership in the disenfranchised group.

We wouldn't have advancements in gay rights without people being out of the closet. It takes courage to take a stand as a minority and pride in your membership of said group can be a powerful bond to help others stand with you.
 
Lysander518 said:
You don't "be black." You be a human being. People shouldn't have pride because of a coincidence of birth. I don't have pride because I'm a descendant of Irish, Germans, and/or Native Americans. I don't see why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp. IMO pride in one's race is just another stupid division like traditional racism.
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So your saying Nobody be proud if your cultural identity..... its the equivalent of being racist....

Dont over exert yourself trying to justify that cause your going to fail.
 
I think most people can agree the prosecution dropped the ball. They had terrible witnesses (the lead detective, among others), they didn't bring any energy to the trial (you can always tell a great prosecutor/defense lawyer by the charisma/energy/belief in oneself they bring to the table), and they didn't properly attack his self defense claim (which may have gotten them to involuntary manslaughter).

Its sad that when you check comment sections or facebook or twitter, people are indirectly blaming the jury. Beyond a reasonable doubt is high, and if that wasn't met, its the prosecutions fault. Such a sad case.
 
Krappadizzle said:
I didn't catch the reference. I apologize. My bad.


It's a Gandhi quote that resonates with racial perceptions. No one need change their race(I hope that goes without saying) but if you don't want to be perceived as some kind of problematic, irrational, menace to society, be the change you want to see. I feel it's pretty easy to grasp. Reacting negatively like that does not help move forward the change we all want to see.
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And I'll kindly say that in this discussion, Gandhi is full of shit.
 
Higgins113 said:
Why are people unable to accept a verdict? Reminds me of Casey Anthony
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Because its pretty fucking obvious (to me, anyways) that GZ's life was never even remotely in danger, and he panicked like a bitch after 40 seconds and shot an unarmed 17 year old through the heart.
 
web01 said:
Yeah it was a witch hunt from day one, the media hammered the race angle. What the lawyer is saying is completely reasonable.
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I always felt this was more of a vigilantism issue. Posted as much in the original thread - but its always fun to take about racism on a 4th grade level to get talk started.
 
Jest Chillin said:
No. I know what the law is (thank you Law-GAF for your contributions in the trial thread) so I have no misconceptions about who has the burden of proof. As the law currently stands, the BOP is one the Prosecution and I believe that is wrong. Had the Burden of Proof been on the Defendant in this case... what was argued would not have been enough to find Zimmerman Not Guilty. And I say that as someone who watched the vast majority of the trial and had many discussions and at some points, debates, with Law-GAF in regards to these very topics.

What I said was that the burden of proof can be placed on the Defendant in Self Defense cases without effecting "Innocent until Proven Guilty" in the cases that it concerns.

Innocent until Proven Guilty is there to try to prevent those that haven't committed any crimes from going to prison for those crimes.



Self Defense is a stance that says that the Defendant indeed committed a crime but the extenuating circumstances forgive the Defendant from that crime.

In a Self Defense case, the Defendant has already admitting to committing the initial crime. At that point, the trial is to determine whether or not that crime was justified given the circumstances. I.e. Zimmerman killed Trayvon. He admitted as such. And Killing is a crime. This trial wasn't about whether or not he killed Trayvon but about whether or not his killing of Trayvon was considered justified.

Edit: As for the Jury.. their hands were tied by the law. The law is not infallible.
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Add this to the list of posts that should just preface each page of this thread.
 
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