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[curlyfriski]

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Congratulations on your reading comprehension.

I love how everyone in this thread insists that anyone who doesn't agree that Trayvon was an innocent saint and Zimmerman was a murderous clansman is instantly branded as a racist.

Oh those seventeen year old black kids wearing hoodies, so fucking guilty

 

[Dead Man]

Not guilty was the only reasonable verdict. Witness testimony was spotty at best. So the only people who really know what happened are Zimmerman and the kid he killed. That's enough for reasonable doubt, therefore you can't convict.

Black people get convicted with much less evidence than that. If all you need to do to get away with murder is have no eyewitnesses then half the murderers in jail wouldn't be there.

 

[Clockwork5]

If I recall the eye witness didn't see the whole altercation. So one can still make their claim regardless.

The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, not the defense.

 

[Metallix87]

Again, Martin could've been walking back from selling cocaine to babies and Zimmerman still would've had no business doing what he did that night. He knew nothing about the kid at all. Dude is a vigilante who killed a kid. Not in coldblood, but as an idiot with a gun.

And you're definitely entitled to your opinion, but branding me or anyone else who disagrees with you to be a racist is absurd and ignorant.

And it wasn't Martins either.

Martin started walking on the lawn of houses to avoid walking near the car, and then he tried to run away.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the state never proved that Trayvon ran away. As far as we know, he noted to his friend on the phone that was being followed and was going to try losing the person following him, and was then approached by Zimmerman who asked what he was doing in the neighborhood. Allegedly, Trayvon then proceeded to attack him.

Oh those seventeen year old black kids wearing hoodies, so fucking guilty

I love it. "If you don't agree with me, you're a fucking racist."

 

[computers putin']

Of course you get to feel all of those things but once you decide to take action based on your instincts you understand the consequences that come with it. No I don't mean you're supposed to think the guy is gonna pull a gun on you but you never know where the physical violence is going to go. I've felt threatened before and I remember telling myself if I hit this guy I am probably going to jail for throwing the first punch and I asked myself is this worth the risk?

Really? I've been followed late (by two guys with guns)at night before and the last thing on my mind was going to prison for defending myself, I was fearing for my life. I got robbed and fucked up so my fear was justified, took my chain, cell phone and everything. When you're getting stalked like that, a right way of dealing with the situation doesn't become immediately apparent.

Edit: I tried to talk my way out of the situation, didn't work lol.

 

[Kettch]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the state never proved that Trayvon ran away. As far as we know, he noted to his friend on the phone that was being followed and was going to try losing the person following him, and was then approached by Zimmerman who asked what he was doing in the neighborhood. Allegedly, Trayvon then proceeded to attack him."

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running."[35] The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?"[93] The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door.[94] Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him.[35] The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."[95] Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location.[35] Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.[35]

Are you calling Zimmerman a liar?

 

[Speevy]

I didn't watch five seconds of this trial, but it sure seems like the dude should have gone to jail.

 

[Metallix87]

Are you calling Zimmerman a liar?

I wasn't sure on the details, as I said, but that being said, Zimmerman is absolutely a liar. Again, I've never once said Zimmerman did nothing wrong. All I've said is that there were ways both of them could've proceeded to avoid this unfortunate result.

 

[curlyfriski]

Are you calling Zimmerman a liar?

Hey man are you calling Green Slime a racist? All he's doing is pointing out that maybe it was the black kid's fault he got shot, nothing racist about that

 

[Derwind]

The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, not the defense.

*rubs temple*

I just said a post before that the state has to disprove his claim of self defense because of the way florida law works.

So what are you replying to?

 

[Clockwork5]

None of the "eye-witnesses" actually witnessed the shot themselves. So Eye-witness is a misnomer in regards to the facts of this case.

The witness saw George in a situation that would justify self defense. He saw Trayvon on top of George in a "ground and pound" position. Again, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution, the defense did not have to prove anything. The prosecution had to prove that George Zimmerman had no fear of great bodily harm. That is difficult when a witness saw him getting beat up.

 

[EmiPrime]

I love how everyone in this thread insists that anyone who doesn't agree that Trayvon was an innocent saint and Zimmerman was a murderous clansman is instantly branded as a racist.

If the glove fits...

I know I should install that Youtube derp derp browser extension but reading some of the comments is so sickening. Racist scumbags celebrating the acquittal of a murderer... smh.

 

[Timedog]

Is this still a racial thing? So fucking predictable. White privilege - hell yeah.

Comments like this totally help it to not be a racial thing.

 

[Kettch]

I wasn't sure on the details, as I said, but that being said, Zimmerman is absolutely a liar. Again, I've never once said Zimmerman did nothing wrong. All I've said is that there were ways both of them could've proceeded to avoid this unfortunate result.

I just don't think it's prudent to be saying a dead kid is partially at fault of being shot when you have some basic facts wrong about the case.

 

[Metallix87]

Hey man are you calling Green Slime a racist? All he's doing is pointing out that maybe it was the black kid's fault he got shot, nothing racist about that

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't go and attack someone just because they're following me. I would've asked what the person wanted, and tried resolving things with words first. Then again, maybe that's just code for "It's all Trayvon's fault", as you're implying.

 

[DY_nasty]

And you're definitely entitled to your opinion, but branding me or anyone else who disagrees with you to be a racist is absurd and ignorant.

I love it. "If you don't agree with me, you're a fucking racist."

First off, people get irritated by the fact that Martin must be an angel in order to not be shot. The "well, he wasn't exactly the class president" stuff is gonna rub a lot of people the wrong way because it resonates with a common theme - one I shouldn't have to spell out because you seem very willing to - and it gets old. To many, it feels like Martin was the one on trial, not the guy who killed him.

Secondly, you should probably be a little self-aware of how you come off to say the least lol

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't go and attack someone just because they're following me. I would've asked what the person wanted, and tried resolving things with words first. Then again, maybe that's just code for "It's all Trayvon's fault", as you're implying.

LOL

Have fun with that

 

[Seeds]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the state never proved that Trayvon ran away. As far as we know, he noted to his friend on the phone that was being followed and was going to try losing the person following him, and was then approached by Zimmerman who asked what he was doing in the neighborhood. Allegedly, Trayvon then proceeded to attack him.

Going by Zimmerman himself, Martin did run.

Point being, 'physically assaulting someone' wasn't Martins first, second or third option.

 

[Clockwork5]

*rubs temple*

I just said a post before that the state has to disprove his claim of self defense because of the way florida law works.

So what are you replying to?

Every law works this way.

 

[Kettch]

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't go and attack someone just because they're following me. I would've asked what the person wanted, and tried resolving things with words first. Then again, maybe that's just code for "It's all Trayvon's fault", as you're implying.

It has not been proven that Martin attacked Zimmerman. All we have is Zimmerman's word that Zimmerna didn't start the fight.

We have some evidence that Martin won the fight, due to Zimmerman's injuries and some witness testimony though.

 

[diamount]

Comments like this totally help it to not be a racial thing.

It shouldn't be a thing anymore. Period.

 

[Metallix87]

I just don't think it's prudent to be saying a dead kid is partially at fault of being shot when you have some basic facts wrong about the case.

I admit I had some of the facts wrong, but my point still stands. All I've said is that it could've been avoided had both done things differently. It's a tragic case, and it may seem insensitive, but Trayvon could've done things differently, just as Zimmerman could've. I don't think resorting to physical violence is ever the best option. I've never said I agreed with the verdict (though I do think the prosecution did a lousy job, and Zimmerman should've at least gotten some amount of prison time).

 

[cafemomo]

Zimmerman may acted like a complete fucking idiot costing someone's life, but there was really nothing to see here. It was simply a politically inspired prosecution. Everything was fine until politicos got involved and wanted to make this some sort of civil rights case.

That being said, I think he should have been found guilty of at least manslaughter or something.

Was this tweet posted yet?

There are idiots on both sides of this. From people saying they will arm up, to people like those on your screenshot.

 

[Seeds]

I admit I had some of the facts wrong, but my point still stands. All I've said is that it could've been avoided had both done things differently. It's a tragic case, and it may seem insensitive, but Trayvon could've done things differently, just as Zimmerman could've. I don't think resorting to physical violence is ever the best option. I've never said I agreed with the verdict (though I do think the prosecution did a lousy job, and Zimmerman should've at least gotten some amount of prison time).

The problem is that one of the things Martin could have done differently to avoid being killed, is being born white.

Point being that Martin shouldn't be the one doing things different as he was minding his own business.

 

[Portugeezer]

Was this tweet posted yet?

#justice4trayvon

 

[Jest Chillin]

The witness saw George in a situation that would justify self defense. He saw Trayvon on top of George in a "ground and pound" position. Again, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution, the defense did not have to prove anything. The prosecution had to prove that George Zimmerman had no fear of great bodily harm. That is difficult when a witness saw him getting beat up.

There was another witness who said he saw George in the top position. And I'm well aware of where the burden of proof lies. The witness testimony in this case conflicted in every meaningful way.

 

[Protome]

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't go and attack someone just because they're following me. I would've asked what the person wanted, and tried resolving things with words first. Then again, maybe that's just code for "It's all Trayvon's fault", as you're implying.

While I get your point, if you're being followed in the dark by someone both in a car and then on foot the last thing you should do for your own safety is stop and try to talk to them. You're looking at this knowing the views of that man in the dark already, but in that situation in real life you would have no idea and very well could get attacked/killed/raped/whatever. Talking to them isn't going to stop that from happening.

Trayvon tried to walk away, stayed as far from the car as he could and then eventually fought back when Zimmerman came after him. We know that Zimmerman had already made up his mind that Trayvon was up to no good and that his attitude and tone would seem threatening to anyone if someone approached them in the dark like that. Trayvon was without a doubt the one who was acting in self-defence in attacking after someone had been following him for so long. Zimmerman was just some vigilante looking to be the hero who ended up killing a kid, what he did was inexcusable.

 

[Timedog]

It shouldn't be a thing anymore. Period.

What do you mean by "it"?

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Next thing you know Obama will have a moment of silence in the presidential address or some shit. The media has shaped people into believing that this in some way affects your life.

Yeah it affects me. If I'm ever chased, or accused of anything, I may as well lay down on the ground and take what's coming to me. I just hope the guy don't shoot me and beat himself up, that would be very embarrassing for my family.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I wasn't sure on the details, as I said, but that being said, Zimmerman is absolutely a liar. Again, I've never once said Zimmerman did nothing wrong. All I've said is that there were ways both of them could've proceeded to avoid this unfortunate result.

Clearly you must have been there, since you're 100 percent positive that Trayvon Martin could have ended this whole thing by "using his words".

 

[Metallix87]

The problem is that one of the things Martin could have done differently to avoid being killed, is being born white.

I disagree. There's no proof that any of what Zimmerman did was racially motivated.

 

[snap0212]

Trayvon ended up shot, yes, but he had no right to attack Zimmerman. He could've very easily used his words to avoid such an altercation. It's a damn shame the kid died, but let's not pretend that physically assaulting someone who is following you is the only option. It certainly wouldn't be my first option, nor my second.

I'm all for using words to avoid physical violence and I'm against physical violence pretty much ever. However, where's your proof that Martin didn't fear for his life as well? How could he have known that Zimmerman doesn't want to harm him? I think if you argue that he could have easily used words to avoid the situation then you need some proof that he didn't feel like his life was in danger. Would you argue that it's unreasonable to think of a person as a threat when he's following you around at night, not identifying himself and coming closer?

The only person who could have avoided all of this is Zimmerman and he didn't. As soon as Zimmerman decided to go against what he was told there was no way for Martin to avoid the situation as a whole. The person in charge over the situation and the person who could have ended everything without confrontation (as he was told!) was Zimmerman at all times. I get that Martin might be seen as the aggressor here but he shouldn't be.

 

[DY_nasty]

I admit I had some of the facts wrong, but my point still stands. All I've said is that it could've been avoided had both done things differently. It's a tragic case, and it may seem insensitive, but Trayvon could've done things differently, just as Zimmerman could've. I don't think resorting to physical violence is ever the best option. I've never said I agreed with the verdict (though I do think the prosecution did a lousy job, and Zimmerman should've at least gotten some amount of prison time).

Dude. It could've been avoided if Zimmerman didn't ignore the police he called. He started the confrontation by approaching someone he had no business approaching.

Its really that simple.

But sure. Lets blame a kid for acting like a scared kid.

 

[Rebel Leader]

This thread is a disgrace =/

EDIT: by that I mean some of the posts here

 

[iamshadowlark]

If you don't like it, tough shit. People have differing opinions, and sadly, if you can't handle that, you'll have a tough time in the real world.

Trayvon ended up shot, yes, but he had no right to attack Zimmerman. He could've very easily used his words to avoid such an altercation. It's a damn shame the kid died, but let's not pretend that physically assaulting someone who is following you is the only option. It certainly wouldn't be my first option, nor my second.

Wait did I miss something? When did the state prove that Zimmerman was attacked without any instigating action?

Zimmerman got off on a technicality, which is being the only eye witness alive to craft a story. What we know is that a physical altercation occurred and the teenager was shot. Stop pretending like TM was proven an aggressor, because that never happened.

 

[Devolution]

While I get your point, if you're being followed in the dark by someone both in a car and then on foot the last thing you should do for your own safety is stop and try to talk to them. You're looking at this knowing the views of that man in the dark already, but in that situation in real life you would have no idea and very well could get attacked/killed/raped/whatever. Talking to them isn't going to stop that from happening.

Trayvon tried to walk away, stayed as far from the car as he could and then eventually fought back when Zimmerman came after him. We know that Zimmerman had already made up his mind that Trayvon was up to no good and that his attitude and tone would seem threatening to anyone if someone approached them in the dark like that. Trayvon was without a doubt the one who was acting in self-defence in attacking after someone had been following him for so long. Zimmerman was just some vigilante looking to be the hero who ended up killing a kid, what he did was inexcusable.

I wouldn't bother. A bunch of people love to talk a lot of mess about what Trayvon did or didn't do, as if they've been stalked/followed themselves. You don't think "well maybe this fellow behind me just wants a chat." You hit "flight" mode. Then if you're cornered you hit "fight" mode. Not even sure what people who advocate just "talking to someone" who's already made it their purpose to stalk you are thinking but it's definitely a lack of experience.

 

[diamount]

What do you mean by "it"?

The prenotion that the big bad whites are out to get minorities all the time.

 

[gkryhewy]

I disagree. There's no proof that any of what Zimmerman did was racially motivated.

Except for the initial follow, which his defense acknowledged was racially motivated in relation to recent crime(s) by black men in the neighborhood....

 

[DY_nasty]

The prenotion that the big bad whites are out to get minorities all the time.

Tell me more.

 

[Metallix87]

Clearly you must have been there, since you're 100 percent positive that Trayvon Martin could have ended this whole thing by "using his words".

Not to sound insensitive, but clearly his alternative didn't solve the problem for him, it only exacerbated it.

 

[DY_nasty]

Not to sound insensitive, but clearly his alternative didn't solve the problem for him, it only exacerbated it.

So what else did the victim do wrong?

 

[jakonovski]

The prenotion that the big bad whites are out to get minorities all the time.

I know right. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

 

[Metallix87]

So what else did the victim do wrong?

That's about it, actually. It was an unfortunate case of escalation, going both ways.

 

[Seeds]

I disagree. There's no proof that any of what Zimmerman did was racially motivated.

According to Zimmerman, Martin was acting suspicious and looked like he was on drugs when he was simply walking on the sidewalk.

At that point, why do you think Zimmerman found Martin suspicious and on drugs? Remember, at that point, Zimmerman had only seen Martin walking.

 

[eBay Huckster]

The prenotion that the big bad whites are out to get minorities all the time.

yes that's clearly what we (and the overwhelming majority of people outside of the selectively chosen twitter searches you'll find on buzzfeed in a few hours) really mean every time we point out massive structural inequality within the american justice system. you sure told us!

 

[Metallix87]

According to Zimmerman, Martin was acting suspicious and looked like he was on drugs when he was simply walking on the sidewalk.

At that point, why do you think Zimmerman found Martin suspicious and on drugs? Remember, at that point, Zimmerman had only seen Martin walking.

If I had to guess, likely because he was someone unknown who was in the neighborhood at the same time that a string of break-ins had been occurring in the neighborhood.

 

[childplease]

Was this tweet posted yet?

Why is his named blocked ?

What city is he in ?

 

[Devolution]

If I had to guess, likely because he was someone unknown who was in the neighborhood at the same time that a string of break-ins had been occurring in the neighborhood.

Oh okay cool.

 

[cafemomo]

At that point, why do you think Zimmerman found Martin suspicious and on drugs? Remember, at that point, Zimmerman had only seen Martin walking.

You can easily tell if a person is on drugs or not by their movements.

 

[Timedog]

The prenotion that the big bad whites are out to get minorities all the time.

I'll let this post speak for itself.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Yeah it affects me. If I'm ever chased, or accused of anything, I may as well lay down on the ground and take what's coming to me. I just hope the guy don't shoot me and beat himself up, that would be very embarrassing for my family.

I hope you don't really feel this way.