Evolution_1ne
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was it too much to ask for just a tiny bit of electricity/sparks when Cheno warmed up it's "TESLA" fist, I mean the only indication that that's what those fist are were the blue prints.
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Chaotic-Strike
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I saw it in Real D and regretted immediately that I didn't see it in Imax. The 3d is amazing in this movie.
Probably the most boring post in the history of GAF. "Why'd they building giant robots?!"
Because ammaaazziinnggggg.
I don't know, but it could happen, sure. On the long run this will make the money back, but movie studios are weird and they like big gambles with big payouts, so they are not into investing 250 million just to earn 50. It's on Legendary to see if they think this has franchise potential (they want to invest heavily on other media too, like comics and TV) and greenlit it. Looking at what they have i production it doesn't seem unlikely. Guillermo has said it could probably take another 3 years to get it done if they say yes, so that might be another factor to consider.
If the movie does well enough to at least get it's budget back, yeah there's been movies that have benefited from sequels based off a built up fanbase. I'm pretty sure this is Legendary's IP so they'd have to decide if its something they'd want to follow through with when its all said and done. GDT and Legendary apparently loved working together so anything is possible I suppose.
I think people miss the point of the wall existing to highlight the bureaucracy and general failure of the government to handle the Kaiju problem. Seemed like it was purposefully presented as dumb and ineffective in practice so this wouldn't be lost on folk.
This.
IMAX 3D all the way. You'll regret it if you don't. Towering robots on a towering screen was just right. Won't feel the same way at home or normal screens.
Gotta agree with this. Good ole government incompetence. Seeing that Kaiju bust through that wall was satisfying man, especially when followed by some random dude saying, "WHY ARE WE EVEN BUILDING THIS THING!?!"
Spike Spiegel
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Like I said earlier: I believe the Wall was the world leaders' plan to placate the masses and convince them they were doing something about the problem, instead of admitting "the Jaegers have lost the war, we're all f*cked, we have no idea how to fix this" and causing mass panic, riots, and the downfall of society on a scale larger than they were already seeing. In other words, delaying the inevitable.
meltingparappa
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I wrote an alternate ending on tumblr where Elba solo's Stryker and Mako actually does something.
I feel dirty, as if I just wrote a fanfic.
"AS IF." *shudder*
I feel dirty, as if I just wrote a fanfic.
"AS IF." *shudder*
Lmao what is this
Maybe time and space doesn't work for them the same way it works for us!
I actually prefer to think that the plan was set in motion 65 million years ago. Because it's hilariously absurd and awesome.
Vicetrailia
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Governments and Militaries are ambitious...they would have sooner built a Super Weapon in orbit that couldn't be used well in reality...I get the point about humanity literally being fucked, but the idea just didn't seem realistic as if human governments would actually do that.
Reminds me of the Spielberg War of the Worlds movie.
Alien ships are buried on Earth millions of years in advance...then they wait for us to become heavily developed and armed to invade.
I'm still fuzzy on what the mention of the dinosaurs was all about. Were they supposed to be kaijus? Or was that just a comparison of sorts?
I think it's that they showed up in dinosaur time but the Earth was too clean for them to survive so they left it alone. Then when they checked back a few million years later we had fucked it up enough for them to survive on it.
Maybe time and space doesn't work for them the same way it works for us!
That's the theory I've read in a couple places, and it makes the most sense. Maybe time flows differently in their dimension...65 million years for us could be a month to them.
I'm still sad that the ending part at the Rim was so disappointing, considering it came right at the "now it's time to kick their asses" part of the movie. After the supreme Hong Kong battle, letting them fight below the sea really hindered the action a bit. All they could do was basically stand around and wait for the monsters to attack while straddling helplessly and activate their bombs. I mean it gave them reason to make that suicide move which obviously had to come because Elbas character was doomed from the start, but still.
The movie floundered a bit in the last few minutes. It's just a shame, because there will be no sequel that shows even more awesome action on land. But after Hong Kong and SPACE, I guess nothing is really that impressive anymore.
The rank 5 monster totally should have been a giant shark, as well. They could've fought inside of it!
The movie floundered a bit in the last few minutes. It's just a shame, because there will be no sequel that shows even more awesome action on land. But after Hong Kong and SPACE, I guess nothing is really that impressive anymore.
The rank 5 monster totally should have been a giant shark, as well. They could've fought inside of it!
Okay, now it's me writing fan fiction.
I'm so glad this film didn't have sequel bait or an origin story. It seems like every action movie I see these days has one of those two things, especially after Disney and Warner Bros and Sony started pumping out their comic book movies.
That or they're very fucking patient. I'd find it kinda hilarious if that was the explanation; they're like Treebeard only they're evil monster makers.
Parallel dimensions do not necessarily pass time at the same rate.
That or they're very fucking patient. I'd find it kinda hilarious if that was the explanation; they're like Treebeard only they're evil monster makers.
Yep. The entire reason the wall failed was because they underestimated the Kaiju's adaptability and increasing size. They never predicted they'd see Kaiju that could smash through the walls in minutes or, even worse, fly.
The kaiju showed up last time in the age of the dinosaurs, but the atmosphere wasn't right for colonization.
I think they wanted to showcase how screwed the jaegers were in terms of being outclassed. They knew going down the the rim was necessary and the kaiju were ready and waiting for them. Fighting at the rift meant the jaegers were outclassed. (As seen by how quickly the kaijus were able to swim around them and decimate both of them)
SkullHydra
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What's up with the credits song "Drift" not being on the soundtrack or online anywhere?
This! I want that song, but can't find even a way to listen to it...
im happy the movie even exists, and im grateful for that much.
Pacific Rim will join the ranks of Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer, 3 movies that deserved so much more.
also i was thinking about, what was the best scene in the movie, and i really think Makos memory flash back with her as a kid was the best.
it really brought home the trauma massive scale destruction inflicts.
i thought it was beautiful, and the shots from her perspective on the ground made you appreciate how fucking huge the monsters and mechs were.
the whole sequence struck a chord with me, and i think it might be the best part in the movie.
there is another scene that is awesome but for different reasons, and thats the reveal of the sword. holy fuck, i was smiling like crazy when that happened, i was in full on nerd heaven.
Pacific Rim will join the ranks of Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer, 3 movies that deserved so much more.
also i was thinking about, what was the best scene in the movie, and i really think Makos memory flash back with her as a kid was the best.
it really brought home the trauma massive scale destruction inflicts.
i thought it was beautiful, and the shots from her perspective on the ground made you appreciate how fucking huge the monsters and mechs were.
the whole sequence struck a chord with me, and i think it might be the best part in the movie.
there is another scene that is awesome but for different reasons, and thats the reveal of the sword. holy fuck, i was smiling like crazy when that happened, i was in full on nerd heaven.
The Technomancer
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I'm sure I won't be alone in this but the Hong Kong fight was the highlight of the movie and one of my favorite action scenes in recent memory. The reveal of Gipsy dragging the ocean liner was perfectly timed.
Terrible Majesty
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No that's not it. The kaiju are the reason the dinosaurs went extinct.
Yup, it may be my favourite action sequence ever. I like that they weren't afraid to make it long unlike every other blockbuster movie that feels like it needs to break fights into bite sized pieces.
Terrible Majesty
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Don't forget kick ass.
Doesn't count, has a sequel.
did Kick-Ass bomb? its getting a sequel so it had to do moderately well.
Pacific Rim, Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer are all films that are unique, colorful, fun and awesome, and they all bombed super hard and no one gives a fuck about them except geeks.
i think Kick-Ass was pretty well liked by the mainstream wasnt it?
you know what, ill add another one, John Carter was awesome, and it did not deserve its fate, the movie was damn good.
Terrible Majesty
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True but it didn't make too much money during its first run - 48 million total, it's production budget was 30 million. I would include X Men First Class and Watchmen as movies that were under appreciated
I was so bummed when Scott Pilrgim bombed, I was contemplating on buying two copies of the Blu-ray to help it out, but I just bought the one. But the extras were sooo good. This time I might get two copies of Pacific Rim.
Speaking of Scott Pilgrim, didnt anyone think when they first saw Mako - ASIAN RAMONA FLOWERS !!!
layzie1989
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In my head I was thinking "HE PUNCHED THE HIGHLIGHTS OUT OF HER HAIR!!"
RobotNinjaHornets
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I definitely saw Knives mixed with Ramona
meltingparappa
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That was such a great scene, and absolutely encapsulated what the movie was about. If they didn't use it as an plot device for the drift (which was never followed up on), it could have been the movie's opening that would have exploded in chills when Elba stepped out, transitioning to him at the command post.
And SWEET FUCKS, that child was great at acting. Just imagining her keeping up that level of performance take after take screaming and crying at Guillermo pantomiming a kaiju just off-screen is so impressive.
Saw it, enjoyed it, really cool summer movie. Loved Perlmann in this. Definitely flawed though, and I hate how some of these movies that tap into this sort of internet-nerd culture and underperform become these icons that you can't criticize without getting this disproportionate backlash.
There are plot issues with the movie, acting is in this weird mode between intentional hamminess and just bad, and the pacing is weird.
There are plot issues with the movie, acting is in this weird mode between intentional hamminess and just bad, and the pacing is weird.
Just watched and enjoyed it quite a bit. All the action I could have wanted with at least moderately bearable cliche plot/characters.
About the only annoyance I had with the action was this: Did they really have to treat Cherno and Typhoon like red shirts? I mean geez, I know they're not the major characters or anything but typhoon basically got popped like a zit after that one somersault move and Cherno threw a couple of punches before their pilots were basically used for futile death fodder.
Other than that, I do agree with the final fight being slightly anti-climactic, yet I thought it was paced in such a way that wasn't too out of line with typical action movie expectations. Plus, I found the final fuck you nuke to be pretty satisfying.
Also, maybe it was just city destruction plus the final sequence (the speech, the sacrifice, the last nuke, the ejection), but did anyone else kinda feel like this movie was trying to bathe itself in Independence Day? Maybe the cliches are just that established and unavoidable...
Oh yeah the little young Mako flashbacks were probably the most surprisingly touching scenes in the movie.
About the only annoyance I had with the action was this: Did they really have to treat Cherno and Typhoon like red shirts? I mean geez, I know they're not the major characters or anything but typhoon basically got popped like a zit after that one somersault move and Cherno threw a couple of punches before their pilots were basically used for futile death fodder.
Other than that, I do agree with the final fight being slightly anti-climactic, yet I thought it was paced in such a way that wasn't too out of line with typical action movie expectations. Plus, I found the final fuck you nuke to be pretty satisfying.
Also, maybe it was just city destruction plus the final sequence (the speech, the sacrifice, the last nuke, the ejection), but did anyone else kinda feel like this movie was trying to bathe itself in Independence Day? Maybe the cliches are just that established and unavoidable...
Oh yeah the little young Mako flashbacks were probably the most surprisingly touching scenes in the movie.
Kick-Ass made nearly a 100 million worldwide, it did perfectly fine for a niche films, hence why it's getting a sequel.
yes! holy shit thats exactly what i saw as well.
i was very impressed with the kids acting. the whole thing was just, raw, and so real. it was a level of realism i was not expecting and it really grounded the movie while elevating it to a new level.
agree with these parts.
worst part of the movie was the other robots getting just fucking smashed right out of the gate. reminds me of the end of IM3, what a waste of awesome and unique robot suits!
As for the dinosaur = kaiju debate, I read in one of the dub versions of the film the line went along the lines of this, "they were here before! in the form of dinosaurs!"
They didnt say that in the english version did they? I certainly dont remember that.
Also a theory mentioned in another forum was:
What do people think?
They didnt say that in the english version did they? I certainly dont remember that.
Also a theory mentioned in another forum was:
What do people think?
KidGalactus
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Come on, Mutes. If you're going to be pedantic, at least be interesting/entertaining.
- I wasn't a fan of the cinematography outside of the action set pieces. It's sort of hard to explain but everything not involving the Jaegers looked really cheap and cheesy from a purely cinematographic point of view. It almost had the look of a mishmash of a Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Yoshihiro Nishimura film, which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but that type of visual fidelity didn't jive with the tone and scope of the film. Most of the indoor and city scenes reminded me of the Troll Market scene in Hellboy 2, or basically a set that looks and feels like a set. I've used this comparison in the past, but the sets almost came off as those movie themed sets found at a theme park, or basically a noticeably cheaper looking version of the real thing. As a result, I really couldn't engage or throw myself into the world as much as I liked.
- I know there was a huge anime influence within the film, and for many people it's a drawing point, but I felt Del Toro stayed too faithful in that regard. Both from a visual and narrative standpoint. In a lot of ways, he made a 1:1 literal translation of an anime to live action, and like all films sharing that methodology before it, it just looks ridiculous and unnatural. And if you're going to go in that direction, you've got to make it a blanket decision and ensure that you maintain that quality through out. Pacific Rim did not. The Jaeger headquarters and Hong Kong were heavily stylized and cartoonish in their execution, while other cities and the Jaeger/Kaiju's themselves were very much realistic in their depiction. Some characters like the Russian Jaeger pilots and Gottlieb (the dude with the cane) were extremely cartoonish/anime like in their appearance, delivery and mannerisms, while everyone else in the movie were completely normal and straight faced in their performances. The film couldn't decide if it wanted to be hammy, dramatic/straight faced or comedic, and it often drifted in between those different states with little success at times IMO. The performances ranged from mediocre to phoned in, which is quite the feat considering the level of acting talent within the film. Basically, Del Toro tried to squeeze to many inspirations into one movie, and he really needed to select one cohesive tone and visual look, and ensure that his film embodied them through out.
- The film was pretty confused tonally as well. It seemed one part Starship Troopers, one part anime and one part action blockbuster, and the film never quite managed to combine the three into a single cohesive experience. Not only did the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes and everything else seem like they were from completely different films in a visual sense, but that phenomenon was heightened with the tonal differences. The transitions between the two states were much too jarring, and as I said, I think that's a consequence of Del Toro drawing from so many inspirations in crafting the film.
- It's becoming a common theme at this point, but I thought the movie as a whole was mediocre or worst outside of the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes. That's perfectly fine, except for the fact that the entire middle portion of the film is basically absent of them. I enjoyed the first and final acts of them, mostly due to the quality set pieces, but the middle act was a boring mess. This is mostly due to a screenplay that was thoroughly mediocre. The characters lacked depth, and I struggled to really give a shit about any of them. They were generic and undeveloped at the beginning, and remained so for the duration of the film. Their interactions with each other are rudimentary at best, and insultingly basic at worst, and like the characters themselves, remain static for the long haul. I thought it was telling that I as a viewer was completely fine with the idea of all of them potentially dying off at the very end. There was little to no emotional attachment on my end. The narrative itself was just as pedestrian, and honestly, it's about as complex and competent as the Shounens it was inspired by. It's basically "Here's an excuse for Giant Robots and Godzilla like creatures to fight, now shut the fuck up and watch it happen." That's about as deep as it gets. There's not really any themes to be found, no interesting subplots, no inner transformations within a character, no elevations to the character's relationships with each other, etc. Nothing. Just giant fucking robots versus Godzilla like creatures, and a half-bakednarrative excuse under which to do so. And the dialog... there's not much to say outside of the fact that it was terrible. I've always believed that a film's script should be judged by whether it would remain entertaining if stripped of its visual component, and can anyone here say with a straight face that the script would do just that if stripped of its $200 million coat?
But as I said, the special effects and set pieces were top notch, and scenes heavy in those departments were appropriately entertaining. I basically found the film to be a soulless, mindless blockbuster action film, albeit with a middle portion that unfortunately strays away from that label. I did enjoy the film despite having many issues with it, but my feelings towards it stop short of considering it a quality film. It's simply not IMO, and if I were to rate it, it'd be something like 2 out of 4 stars.
- I know there was a huge anime influence within the film, and for many people it's a drawing point, but I felt Del Toro stayed too faithful in that regard. Both from a visual and narrative standpoint. In a lot of ways, he made a 1:1 literal translation of an anime to live action, and like all films sharing that methodology before it, it just looks ridiculous and unnatural. And if you're going to go in that direction, you've got to make it a blanket decision and ensure that you maintain that quality through out. Pacific Rim did not. The Jaeger headquarters and Hong Kong were heavily stylized and cartoonish in their execution, while other cities and the Jaeger/Kaiju's themselves were very much realistic in their depiction. Some characters like the Russian Jaeger pilots and Gottlieb (the dude with the cane) were extremely cartoonish/anime like in their appearance, delivery and mannerisms, while everyone else in the movie were completely normal and straight faced in their performances. The film couldn't decide if it wanted to be hammy, dramatic/straight faced or comedic, and it often drifted in between those different states with little success at times IMO. The performances ranged from mediocre to phoned in, which is quite the feat considering the level of acting talent within the film. Basically, Del Toro tried to squeeze to many inspirations into one movie, and he really needed to select one cohesive tone and visual look, and ensure that his film embodied them through out.
- The film was pretty confused tonally as well. It seemed one part Starship Troopers, one part anime and one part action blockbuster, and the film never quite managed to combine the three into a single cohesive experience. Not only did the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes and everything else seem like they were from completely different films in a visual sense, but that phenomenon was heightened with the tonal differences. The transitions between the two states were much too jarring, and as I said, I think that's a consequence of Del Toro drawing from so many inspirations in crafting the film.
- It's becoming a common theme at this point, but I thought the movie as a whole was mediocre or worst outside of the Jaeger/Kaiju scenes. That's perfectly fine, except for the fact that the entire middle portion of the film is basically absent of them. I enjoyed the first and final acts of them, mostly due to the quality set pieces, but the middle act was a boring mess. This is mostly due to a screenplay that was thoroughly mediocre. The characters lacked depth, and I struggled to really give a shit about any of them. They were generic and undeveloped at the beginning, and remained so for the duration of the film. Their interactions with each other are rudimentary at best, and insultingly basic at worst, and like the characters themselves, remain static for the long haul. I thought it was telling that I as a viewer was completely fine with the idea of all of them potentially dying off at the very end. There was little to no emotional attachment on my end. The narrative itself was just as pedestrian, and honestly, it's about as complex and competent as the Shounens it was inspired by. It's basically "Here's an excuse for Giant Robots and Godzilla like creatures to fight, now shut the fuck up and watch it happen." That's about as deep as it gets. There's not really any themes to be found, no interesting subplots, no inner transformations within a character, no elevations to the character's relationships with each other, etc. Nothing. Just giant fucking robots versus Godzilla like creatures, and a half-baked
But as I said, the special effects and set pieces were top notch, and scenes heavy in those departments were appropriately entertaining. I basically found the film to be a soulless, mindless blockbuster action film, albeit with a middle portion that unfortunately strays away from that label. I did enjoy the film despite having many issues with it, but my feelings towards it stop short of considering it a quality film. It's simply not IMO, and if I were to rate it, it'd be something like 2 out of 4 stars.
me too!
and it was good but I prefer the original
Imho she is the perfect actress for a mirror's edge movie
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