Sign me up for "PS3 HDMI -> BD looks the same as DVD" camp, please
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And even i am moderately surprised
i`ve been in the market for a new tv for a while to replace the projector and i had a similar issue. I was looking at the Bravia 52 inch, and then the Aquos 65 inch... and then i saw it... the TV to end all Tv`s ... one of the Pioneer Elite range...
HOLY Shit - i thought - look at that picture! Good lord. So much better than the others...
but WAIT... what`s this... this is a 720p signal?? SURELY you jest?
Now... i`d say i`m pretty used to spotting what is 1080p and what is not... so i stood there switching my head between the bravia and the elite thinking "Wtf? Maybe this 1080p thing isn`t what i though??"
I mean, i`ve seen 720p vs 1080p on tv`s before and i could spot the difference so this shocked me totally. :/
Anyways, for OP - you`d need a bigger tv to see the differences for sure - but yeah... i`m sure the general public is going to be "Wtf? i don`t see the difference!!"
In Yodabashi camera some time ago they had a similar demo for Fantastic 4... and the guy was "LOOK! this is Bluray! this is normal TV! LOOK at the sugoi big difference!" ... and everyone was looking at the two side by side in sync sources going "WTF? Looks identical except for minor details...". The funniest demos are when they are comparing DVD via composite vs BR via PS3 HDMI though.
HOLY Shit - i thought - look at that picture! Good lord. So much better than the others...
but WAIT... what`s this... this is a 720p signal?? SURELY you jest?
Now... i`d say i`m pretty used to spotting what is 1080p and what is not... so i stood there switching my head between the bravia and the elite thinking "Wtf? Maybe this 1080p thing isn`t what i though??"
I mean, i`ve seen 720p vs 1080p on tv`s before and i could spot the difference so this shocked me totally. :/
Anyways, for OP - you`d need a bigger tv to see the differences for sure - but yeah... i`m sure the general public is going to be "Wtf? i don`t see the difference!!"
In Yodabashi camera some time ago they had a similar demo for Fantastic 4... and the guy was "LOOK! this is Bluray! this is normal TV! LOOK at the sugoi big difference!" ... and everyone was looking at the two side by side in sync sources going "WTF? Looks identical except for minor details...". The funniest demos are when they are comparing DVD via composite vs BR via PS3 HDMI though.
Rhazer Fusion
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I am considering a 40" Sony Bravia with 1080p. Would that be large enough for a huge difference from a 32" HDTV CRT with 720p?
captain wow
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Bebpo said:
Its more of a "your tv is too small" thread.
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Brandon F said:
i absolutely agree, and I don't need glasses. For some reason, my ps3 through hdmi just doesn't look as good as 360 hd-dvd through vga connection. here's a link to a more detailed description of my problem that i posted in the pick up posted thread. if anyone can help, i appreciate it. as i said in the link, it's extremely frustrating.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6979636&postcount=75
CrushDance said:
Relatively small apartment. I originally purchased it to put on my jacknife desk as a second monitor/TV hybrid for my Mac in my bedroom in college.
I have room to upgrade to a 42" or so. If I get a big Christmas bonus, I might be able to consider it. But in general, I really like the set. The colors are about as perfect as I'd expect. A huge Westinghouse/Polaoid/Vizio would be a massive downgrade, and anything else would probably cost too much to be worth it.
captain wow
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Trax416 said:
It really really does. I went from a 26inch to a 32inch of the same type of tv. A vast improvement.
DCharlie said:
That's really pretty funny. I had multiple similar experiences in Yodobashi camera in Osaka. They were selling these huge widescreen TVs at 480p and I saw people snap them up with the salespeople trying to talk them out of it. Heard a lot of chigaenai and chigai o mienai's as people got rung up.
captain wow
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Juice said:
I do understand where your coming from due to this being the reason for upgrading my tv. The matrix hd dvd looked ....standard on my old tv and i actually went through the process of comparing with the sd dvd version and was just plain dissapointed.
drohne said:
Yeah, that's my point. To me, film grain is the reason to not care about digital transfer resolution.
If the original source isn't digital, I can't see why people get so worked up just so they can better spot the film's imperfections.
Edit: For the record drohne, I thought I did post this in the OT. Oops!
Size alone has no significance (cue infantile jokes). It's all a function of size and distance. I have a 24" monitor that I use to watch nearly everything, and I can easily tell the difference between SD, 720p and 1080p video content. (Heck, this may shock GAF, but I can tell the difference between AA modes at 1920*1200!) But I only sit less than a meter away from the screen.
Yeah, that as well. I watch mostly anime which is produced digitally these days, that makes the difference even more obvious.TTP said:
Mr_Furious
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Size matters because 99% of the human population don't watch their TVs at 3 feet or closer.
Mustaphadamus
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never going to happen. HDD size is exhaustible, you will always need some sort of disk media or the like.nubbe said:
Lord Error
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Probably. Casino Royale is one of the perfect encodes, and it does look much better than a DVD. But if film grain is what he's complaining about, watching something like Corpse Bride, or something else shot with a digital video, or one of the CG animated movies, should be a real eye opener.drohne said:
Also, it really doesn't mean much if you have a "perfect vision" or not for seeing the differences. If you don't care about differences, or think something is "good enough", you won't see them. If you care, and are not satisfied with the way DVDs look on a big screen, you'll very much see them. 720x480 picture scaled up to the size of 1280x720 will always looks like ass compared to something that's originally in 1280x720.
chinmonster
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1-4, mayhaps a better TV? I see a HUGE difference on my 720p 32'' Samsung, and it looks even better (crazy colors, yo) on the Sony 1080p SXRD.
Juice said:
ehm.. you have an tiny screen for almost 5 feet distance.
as to the BD - it is just an media for HD content. It allows for higher quality encoding than cable HD, so it is technically impossible that those cable HD images look better at 2x less the bitrate. What you saw is probably some content that simply looks great in HD (sports or wild life usually looks stunning in HD, more so than an movie).
I have 50" Plasma and watch it from viewing distance of around 3.5-4 ft. My Sky HD shows big difference between HD and upscaled shows (makes upscaled shows look as if they were shot in 70's, still good but not great). However my BD's look apsolutly stunning on PS3 and definetly are the reason I paid so much for this plasma tv.
Difference between movie on Sky HD, with some 10mbs encoding and BD with 20-30mbs encoding is pretty huge, although the most impressive thing to show off HD would still be sports on HD cable/satelite or animated movies on BD.
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In defense of the 26" TV, that's large compaired to my 13". For us poor folk it's gonna be a long while before we see any reason to upgrade.
TTP said:
Oh, and part of the reason I agree with you is that the CGI menus for these movies look STELLAR. It's the film grain in the movie that kills it for me. The more I think about it, the more I think the reason is that: upconverted 480p is consistently fuzzed up, but high resolution transfers suffer from inconsistent flaws. Humans are great at picking out those inconsistencies in visuals, and I think that's why I find them so jarring.
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So Juice has perfect vision and can't see the difference between DVD and BD. I think I found the problem. You should watch TV in a distance less than 1 km. That'll do the trick.
Seriously though for those of us that have BD this thread is completely ridiculous. The difference is freaking obvious. Personally I have a 32" TV but I can see the difference in my 19" TFT monitor for god's sake.
Seriously though for those of us that have BD this thread is completely ridiculous. The difference is freaking obvious. Personally I have a 32" TV but I can see the difference in my 19" TFT monitor for god's sake.
Mustaphadamus
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i have monster house on BD and a 42" lcd and the difference between DVD and BD is painfully obvious.
PistolGrip
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everybody wins yeah... Juice, you lucky bastard.Rhindle said:
RurouniZel
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For me personally, it's not that I can't see a difference, it's that the difference isn't significent enough to justify the amount of extra money I'd need to get it. Sure it's a little better, but the jump from VHS to DVD was a lot better for the money.
It's like Laserdisc all over again. It's better, but for the amount of extra money it's not better enough. DVD is the new VHS, HD-DVD is the new Beta-Max, and BD is the new Laserdisc.
The parallels are amazing really.
It's like Laserdisc all over again. It's better, but for the amount of extra money it's not better enough. DVD is the new VHS, HD-DVD is the new Beta-Max, and BD is the new Laserdisc.
The parallels are amazing really.
Mustaphadamus said:
Except that digital distribution--from both major thrusts (open source and commercial)--are moving in directions away from the local storage of content. The telecoms want you to pay to rent Video-on-Demand movies, perhaps in the future with the ability to "buy" them for the lifetime of your membership. Meanwhile, open source and P2P services (democracy, joost, all those goddamned flash sites) rely on the ads enabled by the nature of streaming content being coupled to their platform to sustain the bandwidth. No one is considering digital distribution to a local store outside Apple's iTunes, and that hasn't been wildly successful with movies.
That's the whole point of VOD and IPTV, the data only caches what it needs to locally in order to enable easy rewinding/pausing. Nothing is actually "saved" from the user's perspective to a disk.
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:lolfortified_concept said:
Mustaphadamus
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for RENTING, that works fine but in the case of those who want to own the movies and watch them when every the want, where ever they want, its not viable IMO.Juice said:
fortified_concept said:
I know the thread title's come to bite me in the ass, but it isn't that I can see no difference, it's:
1. The difference isn't worth the price/hype/format switch. Why do you think the DVD forum was so strict about licensing restrictions for upscaling?
2. The film grain that replaces the lost sharpness is inconsistent and distracting, canceling out most of the "wow" gained by the increased clarity.
Mustaphadamus
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Watch Monster house and you sir will be amazed. little man was surprisingly well done. You could see the pores in peoples faces.Juice said:
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