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Ajax said:
So you think he is anti-BD even though he's bought 48 BDs and no HDDVDs? :lol
Sign me up for "PS3 HDMI -> BD looks the same as DVD" camp, please
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So you think he is anti-BD even though he's bought 48 BDs and no HDDVDs? :lol
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
... i -prefer- Bluray over HDDVD ... i don't know how i can spell it out any better.
I route the HDMI into my receiver, for 7.1 surround, i prefer all in one units, i prefer the sound output from the PS#, i don't like the HDDVD add on.
the ONLY thing i'm irked about is not being able to watch V for Vendetta and Children of Men, but i'm sure they'll make their way to BR at some point.
Again, i'm not even ragging on BR or the PS3 here
Crayon Shinchan
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DCharlie said:yes, my 48 Bluray movies and my 0 HDDVD movies is a sure fire sign that my alliance on this front lies SQUARELY with MS....
as a projector user right now, it makes a huge difference. however, to anyone else, they really don't see the difference. When you switch between sources , they see it... but then they don't care! *shrug*
for me - i care, HD is a godsend when you are throwing 100+ inch images, but yeah. Being the sony hater, i have to smeer myself in pig poo before i watch anything and even then, i'm sticking forks in my legs to make sure i don't enjoy the experience.
It doesn't matter what you own. Your love for sending Sony fanboys on a tizzy far outweighs any actual buying/spending/first hand experience you have, at least in terms of your objective reliability on a message board!
I would've picked up a 1080p projector first over a 1080p flatscreen myself. Even with a 720p projector around.
Zombie James
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karasu said:
I said wow. Awesome.
Lord Error
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That's not really true at all. You may not like what the film grain looks like, but it's a reality of the film, it's obvious when you watch it in the theater, and it doesn't make the film's resolution any lower. Film's resolution is in fact much higher than the 1080p even, but if you don't like what the grain looks like, that's another thing. The pure resolution difference between SD content and film is huge though, and one look at this thread should give you an idea how much exactly:Juice said:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=811102&page=1&pp=30
If you don't see a difference between a quality BD encode and a DVD, your eyes are either screwed up, or you don't care about the difference, it's simple as that.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
Juice said:
You really don't know DCharlie. He'll gladly spend his whole salary on a Sony product just so that he can complain about it. Once a Sega fan in heart, always a Sega fan in heart
Juice said:
i recently lost all my bookmarks, but i've got a bravia kdl32s2010, and if yours is a similar model, my settings might work for you. there isn't a blu ray calibration disc yet, but i started with settings from the avs forum and some reviews, eyeballed some stuff, and used test images to eliminate black crush. i'm sure these settings can be improved upon, but they're more accurate than any of the presets. anyway:
picture mode: custom
backlight: either min or 2, depending on the lighting conditions
picture: 80
brightness: 51
color: 47
hue: r2
color temperature: warm 2
sharpness: 7
noise reduction: off
advanced settings: all off (though i set gamma to 'low' for darkish games)
captive said:
If he hasn't seen the movie on Blu-ray, there could be something to what he's saying. The quality of the film or video transfer can make a huge difference. In the case of Crank, it was shot with a 1080p24 digital video camera.
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here's what i hate about the hdtv nonsense
you go to the store and some displays will look good, others will not, so much that you wonder if many of them are actually receiving hd content
like wal-mart, for example. they have a wall full of hdtvs. like, one looks good. the rest look like they could be displaying sd content, for all i know. you wonder, are these guys idiots? do they not know how to set up hdtv signals properly? or maybe they have a deal with the manufacturer of that one tv that actually looks any good. best buy isn't much better, either. some tvs look hot, others not so much.
stupid hdtvs.
you go to the store and some displays will look good, others will not, so much that you wonder if many of them are actually receiving hd content
like wal-mart, for example. they have a wall full of hdtvs. like, one looks good. the rest look like they could be displaying sd content, for all i know. you wonder, are these guys idiots? do they not know how to set up hdtv signals properly? or maybe they have a deal with the manufacturer of that one tv that actually looks any good. best buy isn't much better, either. some tvs look hot, others not so much.
stupid hdtvs.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
He'll gladly spend his whole salary on a Sony product just so that he can complain about it. Once a Sega fan in heart, always a Sega fan in heart
2009 Dreamcast 2 revenge victory coming right up!
Why do you think things have been quiet on next gen Golden Axe?
I am a total complainer when it comes to sony, totally true. But i'd wager my soul that you COULD NOT find a bigger PS1 fanboy at the time it came out. It's just because i care about sony so much <3 <3 <3
i actually spent some quality time with the PS3 last night i had a lot of fun with it too but don't tell anyone!
fortified_concept
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Pazuzu said:
Yeah, but what if you have a cold and can't smell the water? Or what if you have a really bad sense of smell (or no nose at all)? They're almost the same taste then. Does spring water really worth your money?
Think about it.
MickeyKnox
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You either need glasses or stop with the fud.
If you think THIS:
Looks "just as good" as THIS:
taken from AVS because I can't be arsed to take off screen shots of my copies of KoH BR&DVD.
If you think THIS:
Looks "just as good" as THIS:
taken from AVS because I can't be arsed to take off screen shots of my copies of KoH BR&DVD.
Karma Kramer
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Onix said:
well obviously if I sit an inch away from the screen the HD version will be much clearer but I don't actually ****ing sit that close to the tv... I sit at my couch and if on my couch the difference doesn't seem that great, then why the **** do I want an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player?
karasu said:
I think it depends in a minority of situations. If you look in that thread, there is a huge difference in the Kong shots. If you slide down to the Underworld close-up of the helmeted Vamp's eye ball you don't see as much difference between shots.
With the close up, they were able to throw all of their bits to a more focused area for DVD and Bluray. The thing is, you can only extract so much detail out of scene like that. After a certain point, throwing more bits at it won't get you more detail because there's none to be had. (That can get back to the quality of the original film transfer). If you widen the view to encompass more scenery, like in the Kong shots, then DVD starts becoming bit-starved.
Karma Kramer said:
Yeah ... an inch away ... that's what's needed
The viewing distance graph has been posted about a bizzilian times here.
My point is that (all things being equal) you obviously have to alter your viewing distance when comparing different sized TV's to make it an apple to apple comparison
Demigod Mac
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I'd suggest comparing scenes between DVD/BR movies that have very fine details in them. A character's hair, for instance. Look for something that boils down to only a few fine pixels in complexity.
The scene I like to use is from Terminator 2. It's the shot of John Connor's face when he thinks he's escaped from the T-1000's driving the truck.
Oh, and 1080 will make a difference, of course.
The scene I like to use is from Terminator 2. It's the shot of John Connor's face when he thinks he's escaped from the T-1000's driving the truck.
Oh, and 1080 will make a difference, of course.
marvelharvey
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I found the viewing of BR on a 32inch Bravia quite underwhelming, it felt like the difference between a PS2 and an Xbox. However, now that I've upgraded to a 47inch 120hz Aquos, the difference is astounding, I can never go back to watching DVDs ever again. I shudder to think what a VHS tape would look like.
heavy liquid
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skrew said:
Nice.
Looks great on my 56" HDTV.
Demigod Mac
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Oh, here you go.
Note in particular the background with all the soldiers. Hi-def makes the biggest difference on small details like that. Much less noticeable are up-close shots of an actor.
Note in particular the background with all the soldiers. Hi-def makes the biggest difference on small details like that. Much less noticeable are up-close shots of an actor.
drohne said:
Thanks Drohne! Looks a lot sharper. You really caught me with my pants down on the sharpness. I remember turning it down at one point, but there it was at 57 (no wonder the BD's looked bad, the sharpness filter was exaggerating the grain!) I just popped in Catch and Release again (terrible movie, whatever), and it looks a lot less distracting now.
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cool. though on my tv sharpness only goes to 30, so obviously your menu is different -- i don't think my settings will translate.
excessive sharpness can really kill your picture, though -- turning that down, turning off all the 'advanced' processing features, and warming up the color temperature will make a big difference on most tvs.
excessive sharpness can really kill your picture, though -- turning that down, turning off all the 'advanced' processing features, and warming up the color temperature will make a big difference on most tvs.
Mr_Furious
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Sharpness really should be removed as an adjustable option on TVs. It never helps. Only hurts PQ.
Mr_Furious
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That's a whole different issue all together.Stinkles said:
i've only read two pages but i'm already depressed.
HD is here to give us a more accurate representation of the original movie. If it had grain, you'll see grain. If it was 2.35:1 you'll see black bars. If you don't like it, then either petition the directors to shoot everything with bright colours and in 16:9, or just watch DVD which will simply swap grain for its own artifacts.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to watch something that 'shows off' your HD set, but if you ezpect everything to look like ice age then you'll be disappointed.
as for absolute quality, i can tell the difference between a DVD and Blu-ray on my TV, but both are still perfectly watchable (especially upscaled DVD). But I honestly can't watch DVDs on my projector anymore - way too soft and visible artifacting.
HD is here to give us a more accurate representation of the original movie. If it had grain, you'll see grain. If it was 2.35:1 you'll see black bars. If you don't like it, then either petition the directors to shoot everything with bright colours and in 16:9, or just watch DVD which will simply swap grain for its own artifacts.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to watch something that 'shows off' your HD set, but if you ezpect everything to look like ice age then you'll be disappointed.
as for absolute quality, i can tell the difference between a DVD and Blu-ray on my TV, but both are still perfectly watchable (especially upscaled DVD). But I honestly can't watch DVDs on my projector anymore - way too soft and visible artifacting.
Even on my modest 30" LG, the difference between 480p and HD stuff is remarkably noticeable. There's less color banding, the details are sharper, ya know, all those things HD is supposed to boost. The set seems to do a really impressive job of upscaling 480p stuff, as I've watched some DVDs through even my PSTwo and was amazed by how well they could look, enough so that I didn't really notice any difference between them and the upscaling offered by the 360, but the jump from that to 720p or 1080i is certainly there. I will say content, at least on my particular set, seems to look better at 720p versus 1080i, but the difference is still there and was enough for me to a buy the 360 HD-DVD drive and some discs from somebody. Yeah, yeah, format am RIP total. ;p I'm still moistening my pants in anticipation of some HD Batman Begins.
dark10x said:
Good call, I bet you're right. Been wanting an excuse to watch that.
andrewfee said:
Maybe it's the quality of my component cables, but my Apple TV and PS3 definitely look far superior over HDMI with my A10. Interesting anecdotes, though.
As for the newer Bravias, I agree that they've improved quite a lot. But when I casually compare my screen's quality to the setups of my friends, mine is consistently higher PQ overall. It certainly has nothing on the newer models (of any of the top brands) but would still beat out today's budget models, I imagine.
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